Tirpitz sorrow

[Max_Battle]

Which one of these ships gets bottom tiered ALL THE BLOODY TIME and gets focused by Yamatos ALL THE BLOODY TIME?

I know it's a tricky question. Might be a bit hard to work out.

Might be one only the veterans can work out.

[mr_glitchy_R]

2 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

Which one of these ships gets bottom tiered ALL THE BLOODY TIME and gets focused by Yamatos ALL THE BLOODY TIME?

I know it's a tricky question. Might be a bit hard to work out.

Might be one only the veterans can work out.

I think it's Tirpitz since she's at tier 8. But I rarely sees her in the battle. Gneisenau and Scharnhorst can possibly join tier 10 match. But it's a very rare thing. 

[Ordrazz]

7 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

Which one of these ships gets bottom tiered ALL THE BLOODY TIME and gets focused by Yamatos ALL THE BLOODY TIME?

I know it's a tricky question. Might be a bit hard to work out.

Might be one only the veterans can work out.

I personally think its because she is so stealthy,  with full concealment build she can sneak up pretty fast on you with her high speed,  & has a pretty good reload, good secondaries & also torpedoes.... That combined with being at t8, can make her a priority target (because t10 like to bully small ships to try get easy kill)

 

Ordrazz

[RalphTheTheatreCat]

I have them all and over time they have just become victims of the game meta.  They are still very very good ships in their own right, but they excel in brawling.   When the game first started the number of ships that would burn you to death was minimal.  Now with IFHE, UKBBs, USNCL/CA etc etc you tend to spend more time putting out fires than fighting enemies.  being focused by a Yamato in a T8 ship will always result in you taking a lot of damage unless they are just bad.

 

[PeterMoe1963]

11 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

Which one of these ships gets bottom tiered ALL THE BLOODY TIME

Tier 5 and Tier 8 seem to be bottom tier all (most) of the time. WG really have to do something.

That Tirpitz has such a low WR may be rather because she is a premium and bought by a lot of players who should not be in a T8 game, even less T10.

Both teams should have a fairly balanced composition in regards of ship tier and class. I don’t think that a team with a Tirpitz is less likely to win compared to a team with another T8 BB. The T8’s in a T10 game, in general, are out-ranged and out-gunned and will easily become canon fodder for the higher tiers. That applies equally for both teams.

That’s at least what I think.

[Max_Battle]

3 minutes ago, PeterMoe1963 said:

Tier 5 and Tier 8 seem to be bottom tier all (most) of the time. WG really have to do something.

That Tirpitz has such a low WR may be rather because she is a premium and bought by a lot of players who should not be in a T8 game, even less T10.

Both teams should have a fairly balanced composition in regards of ship tier and class. I don’t think that a team with a Tirpitz is less likely to win compared to a team with another T8 BB. The T8’s in a T10 game, in general, are out-ranged and out-gunned and will easily become canon fodder for the higher tiers. That applies equally for both teams.

That’s at least what I think.

I get T5, that's no mystery because of T4 protection. That's fully known and actually makes a lot of T6 games quite good IMO.

I like German Battleships. I posted those three ships to show I know how to play a brawler with secondaries and torps.

I really want to play and enjoy my Tirpitz but I just can't.  

I just really want to enjoy my Tirpitz.

[Max_Battle]

I guess all I can say is, under the current game conditions, don't buy Tirpitz.

[PeterMoe1963]

29 minutes ago, Max_Battle said:

I just really want to enjoy my Tirpitz.

Well, I have a few T5 ships with 3 to 6 point captains. I move the original captain up the line and now try to train new captains in those ships. I play T7 after T7 after T7…

 

Protection for T4’s, fair enough, but where is protection for the T5’s?

 

There were times when you were able to play Tirpitz and enjoy her, but not at this time.

This is what WG has to see. Players are frustrated and get more frustrated.

I would not recommend T8 premiums to anyone, including Tirpitz.

I had a fair few tech-tree lines up to T8 and got stuck there, because it was too frustrating to play.

 

Oh, just wanted to check my stats on Tirpitz and saw my WR is up to 49.93%. I was stuck at 47% for ages. No idea how that happened.

[_TrogDorTheBurninator_]

5 hours ago, PeterMoe1963 said:

Well, I have a few T5 ships with 3 to 6 point captains. I move the original captain up the line and now try to train new captains in those ships. I play T7 after T7 after T7…

 

Protection for T4’s, fair enough, but where is protection for the T5’s?

 

There were times when you were able to play Tirpitz and enjoy her, but not at this time.

This is what WG has to see. Players are frustrated and get more frustrated.

I would not recommend T8 premiums to anyone, including Tirpitz.

I had a fair few tech-tree lines up to T8 and got stuck there, because it was too frustrating to play.

 

Oh, just wanted to check my stats on Tirpitz and saw my WR is up to 49.93%. I was stuck at 47% for ages. No idea how that happened.

Alabama and Massa are handy T8 prems.

[Razide]

I suppose the Bismarck suffers a similar fate to the Tirpitz as well. The both seem somewhat under gunned compared to the three US T8 BBs. 

I was listening to a podcast today where they explained T10 matches are often filled from the top down due to the increasing number of T10 ships around, so you end up with a situation of being the only T8 among T9 & T10 ships. Not much fun when there are 3 Yamatos & a Montana lined up against your Tirpitz. Or you're in short ranged T8 cruiser. 

 

 

[PeterMoe1963]

The above is from wowstats.org. I guess the 4 or 5 millions games

[Grygus_Triss]

Even Yamato’s fear her torpedos. They want her dead before she gets too close.

[Max_Battle]

3 hours ago, PeterMoe1963 said:

The above is from wowstats.org. I guess the 4 or 5 millions games

My own stats are far worse for both. I wonder what the more recent win rate is as both these ships have been in game over many changes.

Thing is, as far as stats go, these ships are an anomaly for me - ie compare my Scharn and Gneis stats, or indeed any other botes.

[Max_Battle]

26 minutes ago, Grygus_Triss said:

Even Yamato’s fear her torpedos. They want her dead before she gets too close.

Well that is true. I have ambush killed Yamatos in both T8 German BBs.

[Grygus_Triss]

45 minutes ago, Max_Battle said:

Well that is true. I have ambush killed Yamatos in both T8 German BBs.

While not a true brawler, the Yamato is still somewhat tanky, so long as you hide your citadel. And you really don’t want those guns less than 10km from you, so Yamato performs well late game getting close when enemy has been thinned out. But torps are really the great equaliser. It is suicidal for any cruiser to get close enough to Yamato to torp her, a DD can take it’s chances, but one accurate shot can kill you. Tirpitz, while T8, can still get close enough to torp Yamato, and is less at risk of instant deletion. Or any BB really.

I remember in my early days, closing to brawling range to a Gnes or Sharn in my BB, and then wondering where the hell those torps came from. I now who which ships do and don’t have torps.

[Max_Battle]

1 minute ago, Grygus_Triss said:

I remember in my early days, closing to brawling range to a Gnes or Sharn in my BB, and then wondering where the hell those torps came from. I now who which ships do and don’t have torps.

Hahaha! Same. 

Can't remember how many times I got torped in exactly the same way before I decided to learn!

[Razide]

Don't forget the Japanese BBs with torps too. Mutsu only has 2 per side but they reload very fast and have 7km range.

Here is a lucky Bismarck from this morning's CoOp game being top tier and also an interested party in a Gneisenau.   

 

[Lowyat]

i remembered getting he spammed untill i lost all secondaries except 1 in my derpitz. thats not even half match yet.

[PeterMoe1963]

3 hours ago, Max_Battle said:

My own stats are far worse for both. I wonder what the more recent win rate is as both these ships have been in game over many changes.

Oh, what happened to the rest of my post?

I wanted to say this number of games is since introduction, so many changes happened to the game since. The stats may not represent very well what happens now.

[Max_Battle]

Just now, PeterMoe1963 said:

Oh, what happened to the rest of my post?

I wanted to say this number of games is since introduction, so many changes happened to the game since. The stats may not represent very well what happens now.

Agree.

[HeidimarieW]

On 11/13/2018 at 9:17 PM, Max_Battle said:

Which one of these ships gets bottom tiered ALL THE BLOODY TIME and gets focused by Yamatos ALL THE BLOODY TIME?

I know it's a tricky question. Might be a bit hard to work out.

Might be one only the veterans can work out.

Relatively, I got pretty much a balance experiences with both Bismarck and Tirpitz, some T8s, T9s and some T10s games but don't really see much of a problem playing them, uptiered or not, these are secondaries kaptain btw.

Hate to admit it but I love club T6s in them, if mm really give me toptier game.

My problems are with Scharn not so much with Gneis, as she does faced a certain amount of T9s from my experiences.

Spoiler

 

[Max_Battle]

3 minutes ago, HeidimarieW said:

Hate to admit it but I love club T6s in them, if mm really give me toptier game.

Full secondary spec Bismarck or Tirpitz driving through an enemy T6 fleet...

"AND YOU GET A FIRE FROM MY SECONDARIES, AND YOU GET A FIRE FROM MY SECONDARIES, AND YOU GET A FIRE FROM MY SECONDARIES..."

[icy_phoenix]

10 hours ago, Grygus_Triss said:

Even Yamato’s fear her torpedos. They want her dead before she gets too close.

Why though? Your full torp salvo will probably do 20k to her. That is nothing for Yamato. Yamato has the best torpedo protection in the game. and I doubt unless you can ambush, you can never reach a Yamato with a tirpitz in open waters. Tirpitz armor falls apart against high caliber AP.. Yamato is NOT "somewhat tanky" as you mention in your next post, Yamato is probably the second most tankiest ship in the game. Also, both of Tirpitz / Bismarck are prone to getting citadel hits by Yamato / Montana etc up very close range, If you try to trun to torp and show your read line, you are dead.

Main reason why Tirpitz / Bismarck stats are pretty weak for many people is that, the abilities (torp, secondary, hydro) etc make many players overestimate their capabilities and true potential, and hence they get bad results.