4,600 Paladinum Member 7,175 posts 11,885 battles Report post #1 Posted October 24, 2018 US Torpedoboat destroyer line speculation! More lines are coming, mostly German 'cause I'm a wehraboo. NOTE: It’s actually a strange matter of how these classes aren’t in the current line. It’s like they intentionally did this to signal a line split or something. I mean… it’s strange, at least to me. All current US DDs from T6 in the current line have dual-purpose guns. All of them have just 2 sets of torpedo tubes, very uniformly so (except Mahan, but still). It just feels strange. I have high hopes for this line. My philosophy when speculating split lines is making sure one line is different than the other. For example, this line has some characteristic design differences that at least 80% guarantee they are different from the current US DD line, like focusing more on their torpedo power. THE LINE: VII: Bagley Gridley VIII: Benham IX: Porter X: Somers THE SHIPS BAGLEY-CLASS HP estimation: 10.700 (Hull A), 13.500 (Hull B) Primary armament: 4x1 127 mm dual-purpose (DP) guns in a AB-XY layout Torpedoes: 4x4 533 mm torpedo tubes (2 each side) Speed: 37 knots Consumables: standard T7 US DD consumable set. GRIDLEY-CLASS HP estimation: 10.600 (Hull A), 13.400 (Hull B) Primary armament: 4x1 127 mm dual-purpose (DP) guns in a AB-XY layout Torpedoes: 4x4 533 mm torpedo tubes (2 each side) Speed: 38.5 knots Consumables: standard T7 US DD consumable set. BENHAM-CLASS HP estimation: 10.900-12.000 (Hull A), 13.500 (Hull B) Primary armament: 4x1 127 mm dual-purpose (DP) guns in a AB-XY layout Torpedoes: 4x4 533 mm torpedo tubes (2 each side) Speed: 38 knots Consumables: standard T8 US DD consumable set. PORTER-CLASS HP estimation: 11.800 (Hull A), 15.400 (Hull B) Primary armament: 4x2 127 mm single-purpose (SP) guns in a AB-XY layout Torpedoes: 2x4 533 mm torpedo tubes (centerline) with spare for reload Speed: 37 knots Consumables: standard T9 US DD consumable set, with TRB in the same slot as Smoke Generator, same as some IJN DDs (Akatsuki, Kagero, Yugumo and Shiratsuyu). TRB is the same as Monaghan (or 20s instead of 30s). SOMERS-CLASS HP estimation: 11.700 (Hull A), 15.900 (Hull B) Primary armament: 4x2 127 mm SP guns Torpedoes: 3x4 533 mm torpedo tubes Speed: 38 knots Consumables: Damage Control, Smoke Generator, Engine Boost. Characteristics of the line: + Glass cannons for many roles and playstyles: sitting in smoke gun blazing or speed boosting while spamming walls of skills. + Have low HP pool on average due to being built pre-war or early in the war. + Torpedoes: mainly short-ranged as expected on US DDs. But there are a lot of them on one broadside, which is why I have the idea to come up with this line in the first place. Later tiers will have better torps (see the table below). + Porter and Somers’ SP guns have the same rate of fire as their DP counterparts, but no AA because they are SP. + Generally faster than the main line at 37 knots minimum. + Poor AA on Porter and Somers as their main guns are single, not dual-purpose. + Roles: ambusher, potential DD hunter (Porter and Somers) but low health so cautious DD hunters. Torpedoes they carry: Comparing historical torps with in-game torps In-game torps: Torpedo Ship(s) Speed (knots) Range (km) Damage Reload/torp (second) Mark 11 Farragut A 56 5.5 11,733 22 Mark 12 Farragut B Mahan A 64 6.4 11,733 22 Mark 15 Mod. 0 Mahan B Benson A 55 9.2 11,600 21.75 Mark 15 Mod. 3 Benson B Fletcher A Sims Kidd 55 9.2 16,633 24.4 Mark 16 Mod. 1 Fletcher B Gearing A 66 10.5 19,033 21.2 Mark 17 Gearing B 66 16.5 17,900 27.2 Bliss Leavitt Mk7 mod. 2B Sims 49 9.2 8,500 18 Mark 29 Black 43 (lol) 13.7 21,600 19.2 My speculation for the torpedoes that would be used by the ships as follow. Historically they used Mark 11, 12 and 15 torpedoes: Bagley and Gridley: Mark 12, then Mark 15 Mod. 0. Benham: Mark 15 Mod. 0 and Mod. 3. Porter: Mark 15 Mod. 3 and Mark 16 Mod. 1. Possibly also Mark 17, but that's just purely insane. Somers: Mark 15 Mod. 3 and Mark 16 Mod. 1. Premiums of the line: DD-360 PHELPS (PORTER-CLASS) 1944 HP estimation: 15.400 Primary armament: 2x2 and 1x1 dual-purpose guns. 1 twin turret in the front, the rest in the back. Torpedoes: 2x4 533 mm torpedo tubes (centerline), either Mark 15 Mod. 0 or Mark 15 Mod 3. Whether she had spare torps for reload is unknown to me. Speed: 37 knots Consumables: Damage Control, Smoke Generator, Engine Boost/Defensive AA Fire, Torpedo Reload Booster (maybe). Opinions: solid T8 premium, a good contender to Benson and Fletcher in most aspects. Same TRB as Porter. DD-395 DAVIS (SOMERS-CLASS) HP estimation: 15.900 Primary armament: 2x2 and 1x1 dual-purpose guns. 1 twin turret in the front, the rest in the back. Torpedoes: 2x4 533 mm torpedo tubes, using Mark 15 Mod. 3 and Mark 16 Mod. 1 torpedoes. Speed: 38 knots Consumables: Damage Control, Smoke Generator, Engine Boost/Defensive AA Fire. Opinions: I’d place this at T9. Having 1 torpedo mount less than tech tree Somers hampers this ship’s overall power, but there is also USS Kidd at T8. If WG want, they can gimmick this ship up. DD-396 JOUETT (SOMERS-CLASS) HP estimation: 15.900 Primary armament: 4x2 single-purpose guns. Torpedoes: 3x3 533 mm torpedo tubes, using Mark 15 Mod. 3 and Mark 16 Mod. 1 torpedoes. Speed: 38 knots Consumables: Damage Control, Smoke Generator, Engine Boost. Opinions: I’d place this at T9. Simply a downtiered Somers with less torpedo tubes. A notable mention: ROBERT H. SMITH-CLASS Minelayer Destroyer HP estimation: about 18.000 Primary armament: 3x2 127 mm DP guns in a AB-X layout, like Gearing. Torpedoes: a big, fat NONE. Speed: 34 knots Consumables: Damage Control, Smoke Generator/Hydro, Engine Boost/Defensive AA Fire. Opinions: tier indefinable. Basically Sumner-class (in-game Yueyang) without any torpedo, basically most of her firepower gone. Big, tier 9-material HP pool with a possible Hydro consumable that may become a torpedo-sweeper. As is, a T7 Premium. If some gimmicks are added (1/4 HE pen, improved US AP, Main Battery Reload Booster, Repair Party), she could be T8/9. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,600 Paladinum Member 7,175 posts 11,885 battles Report post #2 Posted October 24, 2018 This is a remastered version of a much older older thread: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
