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One day WG might learn that ranked is no place for premium ships. Or maybe they might learn to balance the premium ships (or any ship) before they release OP trash to plague the rest of us. In the mean time how about you make the game a better place by getting rid of these pay to win premium ships from ranked?

How can you even call it ranked when the rank you achieve doesn't  mean anything as you used an OP premium ship to get it? Go find any other competitive game and I bet you won't find pay to win garbage in their ranked play.

Finally, if you are going to hold ranked seasons, at least make the maps balanced for both teams. Some maps have a clear advantage around the B cap area as there is a large island blocking BB supporting shots into B cap itself. How hard is it to make one half of the map then just mirror it? It doesn't have to be boring just exactly the same shape for both teams. 

Clearly this isn't rocket science and I would have thought common sense would have prevailed when making ranked maps. Apparently common sense isn't required at WG head quarters.....

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The Normal Ranked Season has no premium ships - only tier 10s (except for few Salems sailing around) 

Tier 5 premium use was bound to happen - the moment it was announced players were discussing which is best premium suited for ranked sprint. So what you are saying is no surprise

As far as maps are concerned WG does ask for feedback at the end of ranked season - i hope you took time out to take part in the previous survey (at the end of last ranked season) 

A lot of effort goes into developing the game and i am sure it requires more than common sense to work at War Gaming. 

It is much easier than tier 10 ranked for below average player like me. 

i see that you are DD player - with Fletcher and gearing being your warship with most kills. So coming up against Kamikaze in Nicholas can be frustrating but for player of your ability with 1400 xp 50% win rate, 44k damage per game - i am surprised to see you post this forum. :cap_wander:

 

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2 minutes ago, INSDESTROYER said:

The Normal Ranked Season has no premium ships - only tier 10s (except for few Salems sailing around) 

Tier 5 premium use was bound to happen - the moment it was announced players were discussing which is best premium suited for ranked sprint. So what you are saying is no surprise

As far as maps are concerned WG does ask for feedback at the end of ranked season - i hope you took time out to take part in the previous survey (at the end of last ranked season) 

A lot of effort goes into developing the game and i am sure it requires more than common sense to work at War Gaming. 

It is much easier than tier 10 ranked for below average player like me. 

i see that you are DD player - with Fletcher and gearing being your warship with most kills. So coming up against Kamikaze in Nicholas can be frustrating but for player of your ability with 1400 xp 50% win rate, 44k damage per game - i am surprised to see you post this forum. :cap_wander:

 

My issue isn't that premium ships are aloud, its the fact that premiums are not balanced. Hence ships like Kamikaze and belfast are no longer for sale. WG know they are OP yet still allow them in ranked play.

As for the maps, Isn't it obvious to have them a mirror image from either starting point?

Regardless of my stats I'll post something if I think it's unfair or imbalanced.

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T5 ranked comment, part I.

If you've been playing a year or more, chances are you don't have many T5 tech tree ships in port. You could re-buy, re-equip, and re-train, but it's hard to justify. So, that's one reason why T5 ranked is full of premium ships: it's what we have, and it's easy to switch in a high point captain with no penalties. Personally, the only tech tree T5 I have left now is Furutaka, having recently graduated through Nicholas, Podvoisky, Konigsberg, Kongo and Emile. The only T5 premium ship I have is Texas. Texas can get my N. Carolina captain.  AA spec is unlikely to be useful however, it's more that I can quickly slot in a captain with CE.

So there's your main issue I think: people don't have tech tree ships in port, and premiums too convenient to not use.

T5 ranked comment, part II.

I played just one game, in Furutaka. My Furutaka is a ship I like a lot, I have trained up two 12+ pt captains on her in over 600+ games. The matchmaking was 1 DD, 1 CA, and 5? BBs each side. Because most people playing only have ARP Kongo or Texas to field at T5, BBs dominate the MM. We won, but it was a fairly dull game. As the single cruiser in a BB fest, your main objective is survival.

So, yeah, I know a lot of people complained about the exclusivity of T10 ranked and I'm happy WG tried this experiment, but I don't think that T5 was a good idea. For starters, if there are any T5 premium cruisers in the game, I can't name one. The common T5 premiums are all BBs. Second, if we are going to go competitive, then regardless of tier there needs to be rules to keep as level a playing field as possible. I'm perfectly happy to see WG go draconian on that. It's their event, they can make whatever rules they want. They could even make it that all flags, camo, upgrades and premium modules, and captain skills were stripped off for the match. Since that hurts their economy that's not going to happen of course, but it's about the only thing that would make it truly fair.

The only realistic rule, since I don't think a whitelist would be acceptable to the player base "why can't I play in ship X when Johnny can play in ship Y!?", is "no premiums". That should bring back some balance to the MM, and make ranked a little bit easier for newer players. I'd be in favor of that rule.

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My Nicholas to Kamikaze death rate is about 1:3. I don't mind them.

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I'm conflicted.

I have used Konig, Texas and Kamikaze R so far in ranked sprint.

I get what you are saying @dieselhead, I do and Kamikaze R is my go to ship when I have had a bad run and just need to kill some folks.

There are changes in the game that I would trade away my Kamikaze R for but with so many other things that niggle me, although I do sometimes feel a twinge of guilt in my conscience bone when I sink players who don't know what they are facing when I am in my Kami R... I think there are swings and roundabouts.

But I agree you have a point and would not have been surprised if premiums of all kinds were banned from ranked.

That's probably the solution.

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Premium is suppose to be OP. That what you paying for your money for. I understand that it unfair but that the cruel world. Eveyone has to accept that. Even i have to accept that when i face premium OP ship like belfast, kamikaze R etc. Even so you also need skill and RNG in WOW. Like the other day i fire a full broadside salvo at another t9 bb with my misery. Only got about 9k dmg. No cidatel. Like other paying games out there, if you rich you can be most likely the number one player. That the power of money.

If premium is not OP then what the use? WG can close up the ships page in their premium shop.

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1 minute ago, th3vikings said:

Premium is suppose to be OP. That what you paying for your money for. I understand that it unfair but that the cruel world. Eveyone has to accept that. Even i have to accept that when i face premium OP ship like belfast, kamikaze R etc. Even so you also need skill and RNG in WG. Like the other day i fire a full broadside salvo at another t9 bb with my misery. Like other paying games out there, if you rich you can be most likely the number one player. That the power of money.

If premium is not OP then what the use? WG can close up the ships page in premium shop.

Then don't allow them in ranked. Simple.

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WG in fact uses the ranked season for promoting premium ships - there is a ranked bundle up for sale - Murmansk, Okhotnik, Okt Rev trio 

In Main Ranked Season - tier 8 trio bundle was up for sale. 

So premiums won't get banned from ranked as someone already pointed out. 

{I am not premium player. All premiums that i have got is via mission marathons (Aigle and Indi) or in-game doubloons (Murmansk)}

@Rina_Pon There are tier 5 premium cruisers - Murmansk, Marblehead (nothing overpowered about them i guess as compared to Omaha)

@dieselhead i used to get frustrated previously but now i just take it as part of the game and move on. Not just OP premiums but things like - tier 10 MM for tier 8 ships, Camping at higher tier, Incoming HE spam when in BB, Being out detected by premium dds or 19 skill commander players, lack of team work and blame game in chat, CV imbalance (enemy has unicum CV, allied CV is average Joe). Now i am used to all these things. Submarines ? Less said the better. :Smile_trollface:

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42 minutes ago, th3vikings said:

Premium is suppose to be OP. That what you paying for your money for. I understand that it unfair but that the cruel world. Eveyone has to accept that. Even i have to accept that when i face premium OP ship like belfast, kamikaze R etc. Even so you also need skill and RNG in WOW. Like the other day i fire a full broadside salvo at another t9 bb with my misery. Only got about 9k dmg. No cidatel. Like other paying games out there, if you rich you can be most likely the number one player. That the power of money.

If premium is not OP then what the use? WG can close up the ships page in their premium shop.

Lol no, that way WoWS would become pay-to-win. And most of us know what happens to pay-to-win games.

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On 10/21/2018 at 12:26 PM, th3vikings said:

Premium is suppose to be OP. 

If premium is not OP then what the use? WG can close up the ships page in their premium shop.

Premiums are only OP by accident, not by design. When they turn out to be broken WG can't adjust them like tech tree ships, since there are only limited changes possible to purchased ships. Instead WG shuts down the availability. Infamously, KamiR, Belfast, Guilio, Nikolai I, Kutuzov.

Premiums come with perma camo, captain training, pride of ownership, and some quality of life perks over the tech tree line. And, you know, you don't have to grind the line to get them. They are not, and are not intended to be, more powerful than tech tree ships. c.f Atago vs. Mogami, N. Cal. vs. Alabama, N. York vs. Texas,  deGrasse vs. la Galissionaire. (-- that last one is debatable, work with me here.)

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I ranked out in a day using Kirov and Iron Duke.  Could have spend coal or $$ to get a gold ship, but I couldn't justify the expense, and I wanted to grind out my silver ships anyway. Was fun.

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10 hours ago, zergling_ said:

Lol no, that way WoWS would become pay-to-win. And most of us know what happens to pay-to-win games.

That why it up to you if want to buy premium ship. No one forcing you to buy any premium ship. You can still work your way up all the tech tree without spending a single cent.

 

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21 hours ago, zergling_ said:

Lol no, that way WoWS would become pay-to-win. And most of us know what happens to pay-to-win games.

Unfortunately the support for such mentality is trending up in wg's customer pool. Even evidenced by CC reviews.

The question is how long will it take before wg totally gave up on balancing for profit boosting.

On the contrary, some 10+ years p2w games i know are still being milked even when they didn't release any new content. The casinorng power is too strong of an addiction.

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Those so called OP ships, usually just easier to perform or you can say they are idiot proof. However they are not without their flaws and weakness. 

Those ship still need good captain to perform. My first rank season was a T7 season, I brought the Belfast with anticipation of Pay to win, guess what, I only have 47% winrate and only reach rk 10 that season.

Looking at my ships stats, most of premium performance better than average, but that's because I know I will like that ship, so I will spend real money to buy it. However, there are few tech tree ships perform even better than all the so call OP premiums. 

So, I think for wows, most of premium has their niche to be very good at something, but not entirely Pay to win.

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