1,116 [MEGA] drakon233 Member 4,753 posts 18,693 battles Report post #1 Posted September 21, 2018 so recently I've started playing wows again after being AFK for about 4 or 5 months, and it really just surprises me how bad the player base has become. im not sure why the further this game progresses I find that the players get worse. according to my ancient memory, the most enjoyable and fun times I've had in this game was back during OBT and the first few patches, this might just be me being nostalgic but it seems to me that the game was much better at the time. the gaming environment was friendly, the gameplay was more invigorating and dynamic (cuz no one knew how to play anyways so everything felt new) and overall players tried to PTFO and to better themselves. nowadays what I see are players being very selfish, the gaming environment extremely toxic and gameplay stale and boring even with all the more variety added to the game from those days like the many tech trees, radar or even the map pool. thoughts on why the game is stagnating? 1 spixys reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
337 [LNA] legionary2099 [LNA] Member 1,740 posts 11,023 battles Report post #2 Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, drakon233 said: so recently I've started playing wows again after being AFK for about 4 or 5 months, and it really just surprises me how bad the player base has become. im not sure why the further this game progresses I find that the players get worse. according to my ancient memory, the most enjoyable and fun times I've had in this game was back during OBT and the first few patches, this might just be me being nostalgic but it seems to me that the game was much better at the time. the gaming environment was friendly, the gameplay was more invigorating and dynamic (cuz no one knew how to play anyways so everything felt new) and overall players tried to PTFO and to better themselves. nowadays what I see are players being very selfish, the gaming environment extremely toxic and gameplay stale and boring even with all the more variety added to the game from those days like the many tech trees, radar or even the map pool. thoughts on why the game is stagnating? Its not your imagination. Most good players are standing down due to BOTS ... Most notorious are grinding bots at high tiers ( VIII - X ). And the majority of bots runners are thought to be from Chinese players immigrating from China server ( the 0.7.2 crisis ). Anyway , welcome back detonation chief. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
103 [-BRO-] Somedude_Yudachi Member 536 posts 6,178 battles Report post #3 Posted September 21, 2018 I am sure VOR,SGC and such elite clans will dissolve after years if WG still not doing anything against bots and AFKs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,116 [MEGA] drakon233 Member 4,753 posts 18,693 battles Report post #4 Posted September 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Somedude_Yudachi said: I am sure VOR,SGC and such elite clans will dissolve after years if WG still not doing anything against bots and AFKs my clan already did and we were pretty "elite" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
103 [-BRO-] Somedude_Yudachi Member 536 posts 6,178 battles Report post #5 Posted September 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, drakon233 said: my clan already did and we were pretty "elite" Yep I'll try to send applications to VOR after few years(Well,I may quit already at that time LOL) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,116 [MEGA] drakon233 Member 4,753 posts 18,693 battles Report post #6 Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Somedude_Yudachi said: Yep I'll try to send applications to VOR after few years(Well,I may quit already at that time LOL) TBH VOR is basically the end all of most unicum clans cuz they keep absorbing other members of defunct clans, the reason so many unicums clans are going out of commission is that they don't want to take new members who are not at their standards and so new blood comes in, while their original members keep getting frustrated with the game and AFKing leaving them crippled, eventually it comes to a time where there isn't enough members to sustain the clan and the original members move on. VOR has the same problem with losing members but they also get a lot of applications so their clan strength is kept high Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
221 [NFB] PeterMoe1963 Member 1,050 posts 8,483 battles Report post #7 Posted September 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, drakon233 said: so recently I've started playing wows again after being AFK for about 4 or 5 months, and it really just surprises me how bad the player base has become. I don't think there has been a big change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
103 [-BRO-] Somedude_Yudachi Member 536 posts 6,178 battles Report post #8 Posted September 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, drakon233 said: TBH VOR is basically the end all of most unicum clans cuz they keep absorbing other members of defunct clans, the reason so many unicums clans are going out of commission is that they don't want to take new members who are not at their standards and so new blood comes in, while their original members keep getting frustrated with the game and AFKing leaving them crippled, eventually it comes to a time where there isn't enough members to sustain the clan and the original members move on. VOR has the same problem with losing members but they also get a lot of applications so their clan strength is kept high Thought VOR would lose members fast just like Akatsuki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
52 [AN-DO] blauflamme22 Member 174 posts 6,306 battles Report post #9 Posted September 21, 2018 Welcome back! i hope its not just to reclaim your lead on the deto-meter http://deto.bunnyxt.com/index.php Definitely the biggest change is there are way more bots, I think the salt levels are pretty much the same though. Things are still pretty geared towards selfish play which encourages rages, and just doing things which are unsporting. I feel like I'm seeing a lot more players in high tiers deliberately hug the border, especially in spam boats like worcester. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
458 [LBAS] LtDan_IceCream Super Tester 1,373 posts Report post #10 Posted September 21, 2018 Nothing has changed much if you play co-op only...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,116 [MEGA] drakon233 Member 4,753 posts 18,693 battles Report post #11 Posted September 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, blauflamme22 said: Welcome back! i hope its not just to reclaim your lead on the deto-meter http://deto.bunnyxt.com/index.php Definitely the biggest change is there are way more bots, I think the salt levels are pretty much the same though. Things are still pretty geared towards selfish play which encourages rages, and just doing things which are unsporting. I feel like I'm seeing a lot more players in high tiers deliberately hug the border, especially in spam boats like worcester. oh boi 1 blauflamme22 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
234 PGM991 Member 1,192 posts 5,618 battles Report post #12 Posted September 21, 2018 hi thereヾ(¯∇ ̄๑) long see no time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
315 [PATEN] Onlinegamer Video Contributor 2,329 posts 11,218 battles Report post #13 Posted September 21, 2018 46 minutes ago, drakon233 said: oh boi if you come back they will get more detonation ratio up to 1% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
559 [MRI] Thyaliad Member 1,571 posts 9,770 battles Report post #14 Posted September 21, 2018 A lot of things. Bots, over-proliferation of radar, increasingly stagnant gameplay, players getting burnt out with the constant tier 10 focus. Veterans getting frustrated with the poor quality of players and leaving... 1 Pocket_Fox reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
106 [-ISO-] mr_glitchy_R Member 472 posts 4,681 battles Report post #15 Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Thyaliad said: A lot of things. Bots, over-proliferation of radar, increasingly stagnant gameplay, players getting burnt out with the constant tier 10 focus. Veterans getting frustrated with the poor quality of players and leaving... So how to fix that? Maybe WG should remove co-op battle? I mean I still don't understand by the way. Why WoWS players quality are worsen? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
36 [KMS-A] Shifty_Panzer Modder 254 posts 352 battles Report post #16 Posted September 21, 2018 6 hours ago, drakon233 said: nowadays what I see are players being very selfish, the gaming environment extremely toxic You havent seen WoT asian community havent you? shhh its more toxic But i agree with your opinion, people just care about damage not maps or teammates or maybe even the situation around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
53 [-FUN-] zergling_ Member 256 posts 3,339 battles Report post #17 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Left for almost a year because too fed up with ppl bluelining. Came back and now it's (mostly) gone. So I guess it's better at least in that regard. Edited September 21, 2018 by zergling_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
249 [151ST] S4pp3R Member 1,061 posts 5,125 battles Report post #18 Posted September 21, 2018 Welcome back mate. If you get annoyed at the playerbase just go play something else for a bit. I do it all the time, I go and jump on StarCraft 2 for an hour or so and then come back fresh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
241 Skarhabek Member 1,105 posts Report post #19 Posted September 22, 2018 what to expect in WoWs : 1. British DD, Weckt radar sheeps 2. new CV rework, wreck AA sheeps 3. Hydro indirect Buff.... we got submarine next its actually nice to see WG attempt to make game more dinamyc. the only thing that make me worried is bot, especially on CV. if you see nickname like "warbunder, WT_isbatter or ploy_WT" (not actual IGN) then ITS MUST BE BOT. WT is attempt to ruin WG by this pesky method...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
61 [LBAS] spixys [LBAS] Beta Tester 357 posts Report post #20 Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) I kind of expected this game will become like it's current state when it was still in OBT, but what I did not expect is how fast it arrived. because similar issues had been happened with WoT when I quit it 3.5 years ago, (and surprisingly both games are arguing similar things too) and back then I had decided 'lets enjoy this game until it become like WoT'. welcome back btw, detonation still exists. (when your HP is low only). Edited September 22, 2018 by spixys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
164 [SH0T] dieselhead Member 477 posts 8,133 battles Report post #21 Posted September 22, 2018 21 hours ago, drakon233 said: so recently I've started playing wows again after being AFK for about 4 or 5 months, and it really just surprises me how bad the player base has become. im not sure why the further this game progresses I find that the players get worse. according to my ancient memory, the most enjoyable and fun times I've had in this game was back during OBT and the first few patches, this might just be me being nostalgic but it seems to me that the game was much better at the time. the gaming environment was friendly, the gameplay was more invigorating and dynamic (cuz no one knew how to play anyways so everything felt new) and overall players tried to PTFO and to better themselves. nowadays what I see are players being very selfish, the gaming environment extremely toxic and gameplay stale and boring even with all the more variety added to the game from those days like the many tech trees, radar or even the map pool. thoughts on why the game is stagnating? Well basically WG decided that mass radar spam was the way forward and they have killed the game. Pretty much that simple. DD players dont play DD anymore. HE spamming CA's are everywhere and every second one of them has radar now. It's almost impossible to play DD effectively so your team doesnt get the spotting like before and BB's decided to stay at 20km plus range to avoid all the HE spam. Viscous circle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,116 [MEGA] drakon233 Member 4,753 posts 18,693 battles Report post #22 Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, dieselhead said: Well basically WG decided that mass radar spam was the way forward and they have killed the game. Pretty much that simple. DD players dont play DD anymore. HE spamming CA's are everywhere and every second one of them has radar now. It's almost impossible to play DD effectively so your team doesnt get the spotting like before and BB's decided to stay at 20km plus range to avoid all the HE spam. Viscous circle. im not quite sure what you are talking about, I've been playing DDs for the past few days just fine, all you need to do is to bait out the radar or to reposition 2 sunlo2013 and spixys reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
337 [LNA] legionary2099 [LNA] Member 1,740 posts 11,023 battles Report post #23 Posted September 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, drakon233 said: im not quite sure what you are talking about, I've been playing DDs for the past few days just fine, all you need to do is to bait out the radar or to reposition Baiting is not in everyone's dictionary i suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
164 [SH0T] dieselhead Member 477 posts 8,133 battles Report post #24 Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, drakon233 said: im not quite sure what you are talking about, I've been playing DDs for the past few days just fine, all you need to do is to bait out the radar or to reposition Sure you can bait the radar(and I do do this when I can), but when its a wooster radar lasting for 50?seconds its a bit much. Reposition to where exactly? Moskva radar is 11.7km so it effectively puts out out of the game if you stay out of his and all the other radar ships range. I'm not saying you cant play around radar, only saying its another reason why the game isnt what it was. All the major streamers agree that something needs to be done about radar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
559 [MRI] Thyaliad Member 1,571 posts 9,770 battles Report post #25 Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, drakon233 said: im not quite sure what you are talking about, I've been playing DDs for the past few days just fine, all you need to do is to bait out the radar or to reposition Hence leading to stagnant gameplay. Sure you can bait out the radar, but that means you are not going to be able to contest the cap for a couple of minutes while you wait out the radar and/or reposition. And if you are unlucky enough to have 2-3 enemy radar ships on your flank, it means you will never cap that flank at all. And since contesting caps gives all in terms of xp or credits if you don't actually get the cap, it not surprising that most DD players will decide to shove off and find something else to do. Because the DDs are not playing the objective, nobody else wants to push the objective, the BBs will camp, everybody else will camp, and that's where you get stagnant gameplay. 2 dieselhead and blauflamme22 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites