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Defensive destroyers?

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I see WG wants the upcoming British DD line to be defensive.

What exactlly constitutes a defensive destroyer?

I thought their bread and butter was spotting, capping, dd hunting and denying areas to BB. None of which sounds defensive.

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Okay, what do we know?

- No engine boost

- Short range long duration hydro

Inferring from existing RN ships and dds.

- Torpedos with single fire option and long reload.

Hard to tell what flavour the guns will be.

Regarding what a defensive DD is, I would say that is it something that hangs back with the bigger ships, gunning down DDS who try to ambush, or camps behind islands, torping larger ships that try to push forward. But unable to push itself, or unable to escape if caught in an unfavourable situation. Meaning you won’t see it much on the front lines, because it can’t run or hide, but it may possibly have good burst damage.

I question this, because it is generally accepted that DDS have to go foward, cap, spot, etc as above. And being a DD who does not do that, whether sensible or not, usually does not make you popular with the team. IJN DDs already have a hard time, but their concealment usually makes up for it, but many will still run as soon as they see a gunboat.

Looking at the current meta, such excess radar, I can’t help but think if WG want to encourage Cruisers and BBs to push and cap, supported by DDs to spot toros for them, rather than hanging back behind islands, expecting DD to do the work.

Guess we’ll wait and see.

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Disaster in the making. Players that already play defensive dd style get abused for not playing more suicidally.

The problem is WG has run out of gimmicks to make 'each different line distinct'  and they will never admit this.

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Just add a mechanic to deploy anti torpedo net or sea mines and you have one hell of a gimmick

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At the most basic level, defensive means the enemy is pushing to where you are now, rather than you going to where the enemy will be.

So far as the RN DDs are concerned, it's an interesting hook. I've always been a fairly cautious DD player, running escort duty and close support jobs doesn't annoy me as much as maybe it does other players.

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I'd imagine a defensive DD will be something similar to the Akizuki.

Slow speed plus poor agility but with good guns to fight off other DDs and provide fire support for the bigger ships.

Concealment and torpedo-wise perhaps only able to stealth-torp if the enemy is pushing into you, kinda like the Aigle's. 

AA-wise probably either good AA but no DFAA like the Aki, or bad AA but with DFAA. Both would need you to pair up with another ship for maximum AA effectiveness.

Just my conjecture on what would be a "defensive" DD.

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Judging by the long hydro duration, great concealment and reasonably long smoke screen duration I'd say these DDs are designed to be cap contesting ships that will be difficult to spot, flush from smoke and rush, all at the same time. Much like the Haida is now, and that's just fine by me.

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Not every torpedo was 100% reliable but rather a few duds ended up in the ammo racks. Maybe WG are going to throw in a dud torp or two on upcoming patches to help the British DD’s Cope....... oh hang on, Pommy Torps proved to be more unreliable didn’t they.....dam it ....back to the drawing board! 

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I doubt it will be any better at contesting caps in this radar saturated meta than any other DD. Contesting caps in DD is a risky business these days even more so than usual. Worcester is a DD destroying machine with that HE spam!

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6 hours ago, dieselhead said:

I doubt it will be any better at contesting caps in this radar saturated meta than any other DD. Contesting caps in DD is a risky business these days even more so than usual. Worcester is a DD destroying machine with that HE spam!

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Clearly I was referring to situations without radar spam.

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What they mean by defensive DD is that they are strongest when the enemy is pushing into them.  If they are trying to assault the enemy position they will be weaker.  Pretty straight forward.  RN DD's with their single fire torps, high dpm, and hydro will be very difficult to root out unless you push them with radar (which opens you up to getting blapped), or a KM DD.

Mind you, most DD's are pretty strong in that situation, especially torp boats. RN DD's look like they'll take that to another level though. 

If you decide to take your RN DD into a pursuit, you will have to fight your ships poor torp range, poor arcs, and slow speed, which makes this generally a poor decision.

In terms of initial decision making, you definitely want to go to your team's weak flank, since that is the most likely to be pushed into.

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Don't put too much emphasis on it. "Defensive DD" is just a vague description of a design direction they're trying out - ie. switching Speed Boost for Hydro. It doesn't mean they'll necessarily be bad at chasing capital ships or aggressively harassing enemy Destroyers. Fletcher and Gearing do just fine without Speed Boost.

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