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USSR Heavy Cruisers: Any chance of this becoming a reality?

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Hello folks,

                       I've been away from the game for a while now and recently decided to pick up the game once again. Was reviewing the tech tree and found UK and French BBs seemed to have made their entrance with the USN Light Cruiser line just around the corner. Before I left, I was actively pursuing the USSR Cruiser line, but even though I was a fan of their guns(still am) I always felt they were a bit incomplete in the role. Almost no armor and torps that work entirely opposite to how you should be playing this line i.e snipe from your max range. No to mention, Moskva drops em all together.

                         Long story short, did USSR have any solid candidates back in the day that would qualify for Heavy Cruisers and fill a complete tech tree? I'm sitting here and contemplating if I should go and grind the IJN or German lines but if there is even a remote possibility that Russians would have a working Armored Cruiser line in the future, I would rather focus on my BB/DD grind instead.

Thank you for reading.

 

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As far as i know, all ships from Budyony to Stalingrad are all project. None of these ships are even engaging a war with another countries. In my opinion, USSR ships are in between. Non of these ships are classified as heavy or light cruisers. It's something neutral. It has light cruiser guns but also a heavy cruisers concealment. If you see a ship like Chapayev, they are like a long and big stick with a thin surface. And i really hope WG will buff their armor and concealment as these sips are quite fragile. But i don't understand why high tiers USSR ships are so big. it doesn't deserve that kind of concealment. 

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3 minutes ago, mr_glitchy_R said:

But i don't understand why high tiers USSR ships are so big. it doesn't deserve that kind of concealment

Because Russians prefer it that way.

Moskva is a Medium Cruiser by Russian standards, while Stalingrad is the proper heavy cruiser.

The rest can be considered as light cruisers.

Not kidding.

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Well, sadly, Stalingrad is a special reward ship if I'm not mistaken. I was hoping for something that was part of the tech tree. I mean I do realize the USSR Navy was practically non-existent around the WW2 time period so my hopes are pretty low in the first place but WG is known to conjure stuff up out of nothing.

7 minutes ago, mr_glitchy_R said:

 If you see a ship like Chapayev, they are like a long and big stick with a thin surface. And i really hope WG will buff their armor and concealment as these sips are quite fragile. But i don't understand why high tiers USSR ships are so big. it doesn't deserve that kind of concealment. 

I agree on the armor part as their glass canon reputation does precede them. But, about the concealment: I don't think that is as big an issue. I mean 10.2kms concealment on a Chapy is really good in my opinion. I do however agree that the concealment on Moskva is complete garbage. No torps and forcing yourself to break the play-style and move forward so you can make use of the radar... yea... I mean I can make those guns work if I can see the target and they are weak on WASD hacks, but doesn't mean anything if I get spotted from the moon yet I'm blind like a bat myself.

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Yep an extra OP Russian ships is really what this games needs atm, several in fact :) 

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The distinction between light and heavy cruiser is SOLELY it's gun caliber. There is no definite hull criteria or in-game playstyle linked to it.

The first London Naval Treaty made a distinction line of 155mm, above that you are catagorized into type A, otherwise type B. Both types had a maximum tonnage limit of 10000 tons. Heavy cruiser then came out as a nickname for type A cruiser. While the second London Naval Treaty set a limit of 8000 ton for type B cruisers, it also stated that navies can build 10k ton light cruisers in anticipation of future hostility. And well… only the Brits took 8k ton limit seriously, which makes sense as they hosted the naval treaty. You don't want to break the treaty when it has your capital city in it's name, right?

As for in-game, there is no definite play-style linked with heavy/light distinction either. If we remove Mikhail Kutuzov's smoke, her play-style will be a helluva lot like Roon, stay at long range, kite, WASD and spam HE. And if we look at the other side of the cruiser family, radar RN CL playstyle is at least somewhat similar to their USN 8" buddies.

BTW the so called heavy cruiser is a part of the pre-treaty definition of light cruiser, which came as a development of the "scout cruisers" in WWI.

Currently VMF CL line has three CA, Kirov (yes Kirov.) DmDonskoi and Moskva. As I mentioned above, the only true distinction is the gun caliber.

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Actually the answer to this topic is no. But i believe there are some chances for USSR battleships mainline. But i don't know why it never implemented since it was planned in closed beta. I think the problems are located at the low to mid tier since USSR has a few BB classes in WWI and their dreadnought are just garbage.

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14 minutes ago, HMS_Swiftsure_08 said:

The distinction between light and heavy cruiser is SOLELY it's gun caliber. There is no definite hull criteria or in-game playstyle linked to it.

The first London Naval Treaty made a distinction line of 155mm, above that you are catagorized into type A, otherwise type B. Both types had a maximum tonnage limit of 10000 tons. Heavy cruiser then came out as a nickname for type A cruiser. While the second London Naval Treaty set a limit of 8000 ton for type B cruisers, it also stated that navies can build 10k ton light cruisers in anticipation of future hostility. And well… only the Brits took 8k ton limit seriously, which makes sense as they hosted the naval treaty. You don't want to break the treaty when it has your capital city in it's name, right?

As for in-game, there is no definite play-style linked with heavy/light distinction either. If we remove Mikhail Kutuzov's smoke, her play-style will be a helluva lot like Roon, stay at long range, kite, WASD and spam HE. And if we look at the other side of the cruiser family, radar RN CL playstyle is at least somewhat similar to their USN 8" buddies.

BTW the so called heavy cruiser is a part of the pre-treaty definition of light cruiser, which came as a development of the "scout cruisers" in WWI.

Currently VMF CL line has three CA, Kirov (yes Kirov.) DmDonskoi and Moskva. As I mentioned above, the only true distinction is the gun caliber.

Moskva should be rebalanced and throw into the "escort cruiser" category it belong to , which has phenomenal guns , trash mobility and concealment but very strong frontal armour profile while the rest fill the proper light cruiser line which follow the pew pew run n gun second line fire support.

Moskva is the weirdo of the line in that it possess very good armour profile and that make it the "ALIEN" top of the line. It has a very different playstyle compare to what you are trained to do from tier 5-9.

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In answer to the OPs question, in the fullness of time, yes... I would expect a CA-type line.

However there are so many other nations and lines that will come first.

I would expect many nations to have 2 BB lines before then (one dreadnaught-ish-type, one more BC-type).

Just look at WoT, sooooooooo many tank lines.

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Alright, thank you for your input folks. Considering that there will be a lot of lines that might take precedence over this, I'll just slowly start up RN or German line now than wait years for something to come that I might not even like. Thank you again.

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