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I think most people understand the threat the radar meta poses to DDs, the infuriating part is when they make no attempt at all. All too often I see DD captains playing the selfish game, more fixated on dev striking a BB than on the job of spotting or capping.

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1 hour ago, Bex_o7 said:

I think most people understand the threat the radar meta poses to DDs, the infuriating part is when they make no attempt at all. All too often I see DD captains playing the selfish game, more fixated on dev striking a BB than on the job of spotting or capping.

Ahhhhh.... But you forgot to mention those MVP DD players that like to go up the 1 or 10 line to take out the CV :Smile_facepalm:

Would be nice if some DD players learn how to bait out radars.  

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I don't push them to go for the cap but it's annoying when they being paranoid and play like a battleship.

But then it can't be helped, not like most people know how to backup a destroyer.

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A DD's primary objective is to contest caps and spot for the team because capping wins games and keeping ships spotted makes most of them retreat (or thin twice before pushing).  Now if there are radars aplenty in the enemy team, learn to work around it. Try baiting the radar out or keep track of cooldowns and move in between or work with islands/rocks. But ultimately its the DD who has to get caps. Its okay if you dont move in at the first and re-cap at a later point but avoiding the cap objectives totally will fetch you negative karma for sure. 

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27 minutes ago, Anger_Lehner said:

avoiding the cap objectives totally will fetch you negative karma for sure. 

Can confirm. I've usually used up all of my bad karma after only a handful of games and almost always to DD captains with no clue of their role. Fat lot of good it does.

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2 minutes ago, dejiko_nyo said:

I will put forward this question: what good is a dd that caps and spots if the rest of their team just snipes at range and doesn't provide support and help hold their gains?

In such a situation that DD in question has every right to abuse the rest of the team. :fish_viking::fish_viking:

DD's are meant to play objective and spot but the rest of the team should absolutely support there friendly DD's. 

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42 minutes ago, dejiko_nyo said:

I will put forward this question: what good is a dd that caps and spots if the rest of their team just snipes at range and doesn't provide support and help hold their gains?

Sometimes u need to be selfish to the others. U can ignore them while farm damage for ur own.

Yeah, u cant always get a good teammate everytime in the game. If they abandon u while try contest cap or snipe from behind at corner of the map, u can ignore them as well.

Ask them cap and spot for themself, u cant please everybody.

 

I know sounds kind a ..... well maybe piss somebody, but just make ur self happy in the game. Most importantly, do what u want. Just be urself.

If u still ain't satisfy with the game, go do something else.

 

Edited by ArchKongou

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6 hours ago, Sanchurro said:

Please stop abusing DD's for not going for cap or spot!

its not that we don't want to. in some games we can't with constant raders

 

Pan Asia DD say hi

did you ever try it? 

[btw, Jianwei sux and Fushun a half sux, Gadjah Mada is boss]

 

or buy Z-39 :V

4 hours ago, ColonelRVH said:

I don't push them to go for the cap but it's annoying when they being paranoid and play like a battleship.

But then it can't be helped, not like most people know how to backup a destroyer.

DD is ship class for real man. if someone is paranoid. better play CV.... even BB afraid of DD Torpedo and Planes

 

2 hours ago, Anger_Lehner said:

A DD's primary objective is to contest caps and spot for the team because capping wins games and keeping ships spotted makes most of them retreat (or thin twice before pushing).  

DD primary objective is to destroy. that is why its called "DESTROYER". cap is exist to lure enemies get close to DD trap.

 

1 hour ago, dejiko_nyo said:

I will put forward this question: what good is a dd that caps and spots if the rest of their team just snipes at range and doesn't provide support and help hold their gains?

well, its fine if the team camping and snipe but doing massive damage. or at least simply dont get killed. DD should support itself. the only exception is CV match. CV need to cover team DD. otherwise.... DD camping lol

 

1 hour ago, Anger_Lehner said:

In such a situation that DD in question has every right to abuse the rest of the team. :fish_viking::fish_viking:

DD's are meant to play objective and spot but the rest of the team should absolutely support there friendly DD's. 

 

well, a good DD dont need support. DD should support.....

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6 hours ago, Bex_o7 said:

I think most people understand the threat the radar meta poses to DDs, the infuriating part is when they make no attempt at all. All too often I see DD captains playing the selfish game, more fixated on dev striking a BB than on the job of spotting or capping.

"on the job of spotting and capping"  Then what are the guns and torps for ?  DDs are not the only ships that need to play the objective. I see more BB Capt cherry picking targets spotted rather than  protecting threats to the DD in a cap.

"Your on ya own now son , I need the XP "  Pfft.

BB.Battleplan

a) plot course away from objective.

b) await DD to spot.

c) pick juiciest target.

d) await DD cap

c) pick juiciest target.

d) ignore DD calling for support in contested cap

e) watch DD die

f) pick juiciest target.

g) call DD noob.

h) collect XP 

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Sorry if I triggered you, DuxNutz. I didn't suggest it was their only task, but it is the job they're most suited for compared to their larger, more visible, team mates. A BB without a DD spotting for it is just a target, their relationship is symbiotic. 

There are stupid drivers of all kinds of ships but none have as pivotal a role in the result of a match as the DD. You could argue the CV, of course, but they're not used enough to be a part of the consideration. 

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@Bex_o7@_DuxNutz_ I will put this succintly. As a dd I will make an attempt to cap. Failing which, I will attempt to spot and disrupt enemy play for the team to make my future attempts to cap easier. A dd throwing its life away in a futile attempt to cap does nothing but disadvantage the team because i) you lose your spotter and ii) you lose your best ship to cap.

What we do not need is ships exchanging artillery duels at range and watch the majority of their shots connect with a blue liquid instead of contributing towards the win goal.. I think we can agree that that is a pointless exercise.

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oh i am forget to mention it, since there is a new spotting damage indicator.

 

"if you spotted enemy for 5 min and your spotted damage is lower than 50K... or no one killed"

forget about spotting support, lets become khabarovsk. its obvious that your team is low DPS pheasant with less than 10% accuracy.

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27 minutes ago, dejiko_nyo said:

@Bex_o7@_DuxNutz_ I will put this succintly. As a dd I will make an attempt to cap. Failing which, I will attempt to spot and disrupt enemy play for the team to make my future attempts to cap easier. A dd throwing its life away in a futile attempt to cap does nothing but disadvantage the team because i) you lose your spotter and ii) you lose your best ship to cap.

What we do not need is ships exchanging artillery duels at range and watch the majority of their shots connect with a blue liquid instead of contributing towards the win goal.. I think we can agree that that is a pointless exercise.

Agreed.

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1 hour ago, Bex_o7 said:

Sorry if I triggered you, DuxNutz. I didn't suggest it was their only task, but it is the job they're most suited for compared to their larger, more visible, team mates. A BB without a DD spotting for it is just a target, their relationship is symbiotic. 

There are stupid drivers of all kinds of ships but none have as pivotal a role in the result of a match as the DD. You could argue the CV, of course, but they're not used enough to be a part of the consideration. 

And I apologize for my itchy trigger finger. At least now DDs can achieve spotting ribbons to the sound of a shell hit. So what's that about ? 

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what other players need to do, who are not DDs is to,

                                                                                           1) Look at the mini and see what the enemy is doing and where the enemy radar ships are.

                                                                                           2) Look and see how many caps the team has, if you have 2 caps, you don't need to rush the 3rd cap

                                                                                            3) Be patient, the battle goes for 20 mins, you don't need all 3 caps in the first 5 mins of battle and refer to point 2.

                                                                                            4) if both teams have a cap each, you don't need to rush the 3rd cap.

                                                                                            5) Look at the team score, if your team has more points, you don't need to rush the caps

                                                                                             6) if your team has sunk more enemy ships, again you don't need to rush the caps.

Players need to think more about the battle situation before rushing forward and dying for no good reason.

If your team is up on points, up on caps, up on ships, THEN YOU DONT NEED TO RUSH FORWARD, and you don't need to keep pushing past the caps when you have more of them, learn to defend them once you have 2 caps.

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at beginning of match

I declare "no support, no cap"

if team CA or BB are more than 6-7 km behind me, I considered that they too far to support me and I WILL abandon cap.

screw them, they're not only one who want to farm damage from safe distance or cover.

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Sorry, nope.

I understand DDs who are apprehensive about radar, but DDs who don't spot or otherwise make themselves useful by scouting or cap contesting ONCE the threat has been eliminated or nullified deserve to be abused and yell at. 

I will continue to report and call out the oh-so-common 500 PR Shimakaze players who decide to go spam 20km torps while the enemy controlls 3 caps despite having BBs tank for them and cruisers shooting to support them. 

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17 hours ago, Sanchurro said:

Please stop abusing DD's for not going for cap or spot!

 

its not that we don't want to. in some games we can't with constant raders

I'm afraid you are wrong. As a DD, you are expected to take on an entire enemy fleet and win. 

It is also very important for DDs to tank damage for their team. DDs are very difficult to hit, and therefore it is their job to draw fire away from friendly battleships.

Remember - you cant win the game just by spotting, but u can win the game with raw fire-power alone. Therefore it is important that BBs maintain maximum HP for as long as possible so that they can maximise the use of their guns. 

A DD that isn't tanking damage is a bad DD. At least on the Asia server, as I have noticed. 

@Ordrazz if I recall - the reason why you don't play DDs is because you consider them too OP, and therefore not fun. For the purpose of this thread, it would be great if you can elaborate on your assertions for our benefit. 

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I have both Ru DD's lines to tier 10. The funniest thing while grinding them is other players telling you to rush and cap....in a Ru DD's that can been seem from the moon. :Smile_facepalm:

I'll cap when enemy DD's are dead (at my hands or friends).

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18 hours ago, Sanchurro said:

Please stop abusing DD's for not going for cap or spot!

 

its not that we don't want to. in some games we can't with constant raders

What makes you think members of this forum abuse DD players?

 

In general, I have to agree, with all those ships with radar, and long-range radar, the life of a DD captain is not as easy as it used to be.

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How about we all stop abusing everyone and focus on playing the game instead. The only time you can write stuff in the chat to work your frustrations out on others is when you're dead, in which case you've done something wrong. If you're busy chatting when you're not dead, you soon will be or aren't doing anything remotely useful.

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13 minutes ago, Sparcie said:

How about we all stop abusing everyone and focus on playing the game instead.

Goes without saying.

13 minutes ago, Sparcie said:

The only time you can write stuff in the chat to work your frustrations out on others is when you're dead, in which case you've done something wrong. If you're busy chatting when you're not dead, you soon will be or aren't doing anything remotely useful.

Actually, the game would benefit a lot from *more* communication.

You can use the F-keys or type short things like “cap A”, “run hydro” or “CV run” between two salvos.

Also saying when you are dead you did something wrong, well, that’s a bit over-simplified, don’t you think? You can do everything right, but still die and lose the game.

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