Tips on staying undetected in CV matches

[30cmtruedamage]

Hai so I have Japanese tier VII Akatusuki with CE skill . But stillI find it really difficult to stay undetected in CV matches especially dual CV matches with IJN CVs in them. A dozen of aircrafts plague the map . Would you like to put forth some inputs on how to deal with this situation ?

 

Thanks !

[Pocket_Fox]

I usually stick closer to friendly cruisers if there's 2 CV's.

Don't be afraid to run away back to allies and return to the objective later if you are being harassed by planes. You're of more use to your team alive, than dead.

Depending on the situation, maybe smoking up, especially if you have allied ships nearby. If the enemy CV is sending all their attack planes against you, smoking up over a wide area is a good idea. 

[30cmtruedamage]

3 minutes ago, Pocket_Fox said:

Depending on the situation, maybe smoking up, especially if you have allied ships nearby. If the enemy CV is sending all their attack planes against you, smoking up over a wide area is a good idea. 

Yeah thats what I have been doing so far . But then if a CV has made up his mind to spot you Idk you can do much .

[PGM991]

impossible to remain undetected if you play objective. (domination mode)

you chance a bit more higher when in standard battle since CV can't guess which way you going to go

[Harpoon01]

the only way to avoid being spotted is by relying on your teammate Air superiority

 

the other way is to kill the CV first, when spotted, kill it on sight with everything you got at range.

 

[Lebran_Erika]

Ask for air support from friendly cv fighters.

[SoraMassage]

Unfortunately there is little you can do in this case without hampering your own ability to cap. Personally I think perma-spotting is the most imbalanced aspect of CV design.

[icy_phoenix]

The trick is to analyze the situation and try to guess what the cv is looking for and not being in that direction. Also, in a DD, always keep your AA turned off, you turn it on as necessary, but you don't keep that always turned on. Also, if you are capping, the cv will just sweep the cap. If you think you can get the cap before someone else getting in and blocking, you can pop some to stay hidden, or just leave otherwise.

Do not move closer to allied fighter if that unit is being changed by enemy planes, move away. (Unless you are AA DD and want to help your CV).

Learn to dance with the direction of their movement, and make sure you know about your AA detection range.

[PGM991]

although it's few, but some DD don't really need to turn AA off.

if said DD have AA range 'shorter' than their Air detection then there's no reason to turn if off

...might as well shot down some plane if lucky enough =w='a

[RimauLaut]

17 hours ago, ROFLSaurusRex said:

Hai so I have Japanese tier VII Akatusuki with CE skill . But stillI find it really difficult to stay undetected in CV matches especially dual CV matches with IJN CVs in them. A dozen of aircrafts plague the map . Would you like to put forth some inputs on how to deal with this situation ?

 

Thanks !

Report all CV and ask your friend to report him too! Kidding :)

On topic. Smoke, stay near Us babies or any cruiser with high AA value. For cap objective.. meta lately is BB = camping, me.. no help from team chasing away those enemy planes, I wont cap in a dd. You are not there to only provide info to your team but to have fun also as a team. Team function u function. But that is just me.

[LordTyphoon]

17 hours ago, ROFLSaurusRex said:

Hai so I have Japanese tier VII Akatusuki with CE skill . But stillI find it really difficult to stay undetected in CV matches especially dual CV matches with IJN CVs in them. A dozen of aircrafts plague the map . Would you like to put forth some inputs on how to deal with this situation ?

 

Thanks !

Give your Atlanta smoke and stay a few km in front of it. 

Gauranteed no planes will come you. 

[MrPlow]

Yep use teammates is the only real option.  I play CV and actively try to find the DDS, then keep them spotted so they are dead early.  As Icy stated, really situational and keep focussed no the map and where everything is.  If you dont already know, learn the CV loadouts which helps you keep track of it all.

[PeterMoe1963]

As an overarching factor, you have to stay alive to be of any value. Don’t go where you are likely to die.

With CE and camo your Akatsuki should have a 6.4km detection range, which is not the greatest, but pretty good. I would recommend you also get Concealment System Mod, that brings your concealment to 5.8, which is pretty good.

Detection by air is 3.78km.

Sometimes you can just move to another area on the map, where it’s more DD friendly. Good speed is one of Akatsuki’s strengths, but IMO she is not a fantastic ship.

In a situation where you don’t want to be spotted, don’t fire your guns, including AA guns. That means, presse <Ctrl> + P to switch AA off.

A CV player may actually tie a squadron to your DD, that means you are permanently spotted. A DD without concealment is not very useful. In cases like this, go near a team member with good AA, to shake off planes. Akatsuki’s AA is very underwhelming.

You can also smoke, to hide from planes. But the planes can simply wait for smoke to expire. Smoke can be a good idea if you see several bomber/torp squadrons come your way, especially if you are low on health.

Keep your eye on the mini-map. Often you will be able to manoeuvre out of the flight-path of planes.

Often team member will hassle you and say “go cap” or “go spot” which you simply cannot do with planes overhead, spotting you. In a case like that I reply in chat “remove the planes and I go” or “remove the radar cruiser and I go”.

But to get spotted and killed helps no-one. Not even the moron who wants to send you into a cap under those conditions.

I guess the good news is that as you move up, carriers get quite rare. Battles with 2 x 2 carriers even rarer. But instead of planes, you see more radar cruisers, so no rest for the DD’s.

[30cmtruedamage]

12 hours ago, icy_phoenix said:

The trick is to analyze the situation and try to guess what the cv is looking for and not being in that direction. Also, in a DD, always keep your AA turned off,

Yeah I keep AA off

2 hours ago, PeterMoe1963 said:

. I would recommend you also get Concealment System Mod

What is that ? How do I get it ?

[30cmtruedamage]

thanks for your inputs everyone . Much appreciated

[PeterMoe1963]

10 minutes ago, ROFLSaurusRex said:

What is that ? How do I get it

Under modules, don't know what slot out of the top of my head, but I think it is the most expensive at 2 million credits.

[PGM991]

isn't concealment mod are for tier 8+?

OP said he's on akatsuki (tier 7)

[Harpoon01]

45 minutes ago, PeterMoe1963 said:

Under modules, don't know what slot out of the top of my head, but I think it is the most expensive at 2 million credits.

Thank you captain obvious

do you even read the OP post?

the OP ship is an Akatsuki Destroyer tier 7 and there is no such module in her

[icy_phoenix]

13 hours ago, PGM991 said:

although it's few, but some DD don't really need to turn AA off.

if said DD have AA range 'shorter' than their Air detection then there's no reason to turn if off

...might as well shot down some plane if lucky enough =w='a

No. Every DD should turn AA off. If you are AA DD, even more so. You want those planes to get very close to you so you turn on your AA and then they have longer distance to travel to get out of your AA bubble. Otherwise they will retreat from your AA range border and you get lit up to the whole team. 

Just because you have something, doesn't mean you flaunt it.

[PGM991]

1 hour ago, icy_phoenix said:

No. Every DD should turn AA off. If you are AA DD, even more so. You want those planes to get very close to you so you turn on your AA and then they have longer distance to travel to get out of your AA bubble. Otherwise they will retreat from your AA range border and you get lit up to the whole team. 

Just because you have something, doesn't mean you flaunt it.

if my AA range shorter than air detection, what's the points turn it off?

I'm grinding in Fushun right now and my AA is shorter than air detection so i always leave it on, there's no difference in terms of stealth at all.

i got spot by plane long before my AA start to shoot.

and there's no delay in detection drop when plane leave AA range too.

(i don't have CE yet)

[icy_phoenix]

7 hours ago, PGM991 said:

if my AA range shorter than air detection, what's the points turn it off?

That means that DD is not even AA DD. Wont make any difference at all. That was exactly my point, you turn it on after you get detected, not before.

[dieselhead]

Watch the mini map like a hawk! You have to constantly keep an eye on where enemy planes are and which way they are heading . As Icy said, AA should be off on all DD no matter what. Smoking up sometimes works but is risky as its a torp magnet.

[PeterMoe1963]

On 3/2/2018 at 9:10 PM, Harpoon01 said:

Thank you captain obvious

do you even read the OP post?

the OP ship is an Akatsuki Destroyer tier 7 and there is no such module in her

You are correct.

So thanks for pointing that out.

But do you really have to be a dickhead about it, captain Smartypants?

[PeterMoe1963]

On 3/3/2018 at 11:31 AM, dieselhead said:

Watch the mini map like a hawk! You have to constantly keep an eye on where enemy planes are and which way they are heading . As Icy said, AA should be off on all DD no matter what. Smoking up sometimes works but is risky as its a torp magnet.

Not sure that refers to my comment above.

If attacked by a single torp or bomb squad, I’d rely on manoeuvrability to evade them. I don’t want to say, whenever planes approach, smoke up.

 

However, if several squadrons attack and/or I’m on low health and/or I see incoming artillery shells from several ships once I’m spotted, smoking may be the best chance to survive. Then I’d try to get out of there as soon as I can because as you point out, smoke is a torpedo magnet.

 

Have to balance all these things. Making the right decisions quickly here makes a good DD driver.

 

About switching AA off. Being spotted is always bad for a DD. Being spotted often does more damage to the DD, compared to how much damage the DD’s AA can do to planes.

 

So, yeah, best to have AA switched off, and switch it on when it is an advantage.

 

The other day I saw two squads of torp planes head for one of our BB’s nearby, so I swung around to get closer and switched AA on. (I did that after a look on the map, to assess the risk of doing that.) To my delight and surprise, Aigle shot down a plane.

[Harpoon01]

58 minutes ago, PeterMoe1963 said:

You are correct.

So thanks for pointing that out.

But do you really have to be a dickhead about it, captain Smartypants?

Well at least i dont swear or even insulting you

 

You are the one who make yourself looks like a fool