13 DFaultPlayR69 Member 70 posts 5,129 battles Report post #1 Posted February 21, 2018 Just recently, I've gotten the Bayern. So far it's an okay ship for me. Really bad stock hull cuz non-existent AA, but the guns are amazing. I even managed to Yolo a Bismark and take almost half of it's health before dying. However, now that I'm looking at the next ship, the Gneisenau, I'm rather conflicted if I should skip it and proceed to the Bismark because when I looked at the free exp I've accumulated, I already have enough to research Bismark. The reason I'm considering skipping Gneis is because I already have Scharnhorst and I absolutely love that ship. As far as I know, both ships are basically similar with only the main guns being the difference, so is Gneis superior to the Scharn, or at least have something that makes it unique besides its larger caliber guns. I want to know if Gneis is a keeper, even if I already have Scharn. It it just as good as Scharn in close quarter brawls? I worry that the slow reload on the larger guns will make it less effective when going CQB unlike her sister ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,739 [-JK-] EULA_violator Member 6,887 posts 34,566 battles Report post #2 Posted February 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, DFaultPlayR69 said: Just recently, I've gotten the Bayern. So far it's an okay ship for me. Really bad stock hull cuz non-existent AA, but the guns are amazing. I even managed to Yolo a Bismark and take almost half of it's health before dying. However, now that I'm looking at the next ship, the Gneisenau, I'm rather conflicted if I should skip it and proceed to the Bismark because when I looked at the free exp I've accumulated, I already have enough to research Bismark. The reason I'm considering skipping Gneis is because I already have Scharnhorst and I absolutely love that ship. As far as I know, both ships are basically similar with only the main guns being the difference, so is Gneis superior to the Scharn, or at least have something that makes it unique besides its larger caliber guns. I want to know if Gneis is a keeper, even if I already have Scharn. It it just as good as Scharn in close quarter brawls? I worry that the slow reload on the larger guns will make it less effective when going CQB unlike her sister ship. she's faster then scrn IIRC and has the most troll AA in T7 apart from lanta/fint Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
52 [MOIST] Epicurus_ Beta Tester 369 posts Report post #3 Posted February 21, 2018 Gneisenau is a keeper and sometimes Scharnhorst doesn't have the pen when using AP so Gneis can sometimes be a little more reliable in a brawl for the AP pen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
884 [AN-DO] LawrenceXVIII Beta Tester 2,095 posts 7,820 battles Report post #4 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Gneisenau is Beautiful, and so does Scharnhorst ( even thought i dont have it , it was the best Anti Cruiser Battlecruiser in a G Wagon ) I kept it (Gneisenau ) for years now. Its also a excellent BB for Brawling due to deceptive armor for both of them, and so does the Torpedo Launcher thinking some people dont know those two Slender BB. Edited February 21, 2018 by LawrenceXVIII Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94 [911] Moldavia Member 367 posts 10,364 battles Report post #5 Posted February 21, 2018 During the Bismarck campaign, I always felt a bit sorry for anyone who was taking the opportunity to skip the earlier KM bbs - they'd be missing a really unique and interesting experience in the Gneisenau. It's definitely a keeper, even if you already have a Scharnhorst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,801 [TDA] RalphTheTheatreCat Supertest Coordinator, Alpha Tester 6,420 posts 13,625 battles Report post #6 Posted February 21, 2018 Yeap. Gneis is a keeper, Fast enough, hits hard and has good AA. If it set up for secondaries its irrelevant if its mains fire slower that the Scharnhorst as its secondaries spit out HE shells like wildfire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
47 Anger_Lehner Member 156 posts 4,055 battles Report post #7 Posted February 21, 2018 If you can afford the Bismark with free xp then go for it. I am currently grinding the Gnaisan and i find it a bit disappointing. And thats mainly because of the guns. The lack of high number of guns coupled with the RNG dependent dispersion can leave you pulling your hair at times, but at the same is extremely satisfying when you manage to land the correct hits. I have citadelled the Nagato/Colorado/Amagi at times but done 3/4 overpens on cruisers at 10km range at the same time. So its very unpredictable. The secondaries are okay-ish at 8km range. But the Gnaisan is definitely fun when the situation favors you. Its a great brawler and then the torps add to the fun even more. Not to mention one of the best BB AA's in Tier 7. But, to get consistent high damage in Gnaisan is difficult especially when you get pitted against T9's so often. And if you have the Scharn then you can choose to skip it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
85 Kapitan_Zur_See_Hoffmann Beta Tester 489 posts 8,761 battles Report post #8 Posted February 21, 2018 Yes keep the Big "G" Fun ship need to get close for the awful dispersion. Hits hard and with AR can reload a lot faster. With more and more CVS turning up its AA is great - I love shooting down planes (hate them) 128mm secondaries do good damage and have decent range, and torps to finish off. It's German what more do I need to say 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13 DFaultPlayR69 Member 70 posts 5,129 battles Report post #9 Posted February 21, 2018 3 hours ago, drakon233 said: she's faster then scrn IIRC and has the most troll AA in T7 apart from lanta/fint Looked in the wiki, Scharn is still faster by almost 2kts, and has a smaller turning radius and faster rudder shift. 2 hours ago, LawrenceXVIII said: Its also a excellent BB for Brawling due to deceptive armor for both of them, and so does the Torpedo Launcher thinking some people dont know those two Slender BB. Yeah, I love the armor scheme on the Scharn, the sides are pretty tough making CQB encounters easy. I love it whenever I managed to close the distance and torp enemy BBs at 2-4km. I love them hit-n-run tactics. 2 hours ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said: Yeap. Gneis is a keeper, Fast enough, hits hard and has good AA. If it set up for secondaries its irrelevant if its mains fire slower that the Scharnhorst as its secondaries spit out HE shells like wildfire. I already set up my Scharn capt with secondaries build and man do they love setting off fires. Though I miss the ability to fire secondaries on both sides since I have manual secondaries skill, but at least I get more hits when in range. 2 hours ago, Kapitan_Zur_See_Hoffmann said: It's German what more do I need to say Amen to that. Well, I think you guys convinced me to grind through the Gneis when I unlock it. Might as well just use the free exp to fully upgrade the Bismarck when I unlock it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94 [911] Moldavia Member 367 posts 10,364 battles Report post #10 Posted February 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, DFaultPlayR69 said: Looked in the wiki, Scharn is still faster by almost 2kts, and has a smaller turning radius and faster rudder shift. I think you got it the wrong way round - Gneisenau is 32kt and Scharnhorst is 30kt (I have both) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13 DFaultPlayR69 Member 70 posts 5,129 battles Report post #11 Posted February 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Moldavia said: I think you got it the wrong way round - Gneisenau is 32kt and Scharnhorst is 30kt (I have both) Whoops, I just realized that I was looking at the Stock configuration. My bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
169 [JUNK] ahwai82 Member 1,152 posts 33,344 battles Report post #12 Posted February 21, 2018 i dont enjoy gneisenau much but still i keep her and now share commander with scharnhorst dont play her anymore at random but bring to operation its damn fun 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
626 Harpoon01 Alpha Tester 6,605 posts 2,919 battles Report post #13 Posted February 21, 2018 Gneisenau one of the most solid ship i ever play, probably even more than the upper tier KM BB based on Tier performance Pros: Fastest BB in the Tier Best Long Range AA on BB Torpedoes Heavily Armoured on the ships port and broadside, but you still need to angle ofc Good Secondaries Turtleback Cons: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG deck Easily catch fire Vulnerable to Torpedoes since she does not have Sonar yet, and the ship is long 6 main guns terrible accuracy on the main guns 15 inch main guns lacking in penetrations against enemy Battleships, (most have 16 inch) Hans, The deck is on Fire! Again! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,801 [SLAVA] icy_phoenix Supertester 7,897 posts 14,412 battles Report post #14 Posted February 21, 2018 For me, only criteria (after looks ofc) is that the guns have to perform. No wonder I skipped Gneisenau and Izumo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94 [911] Moldavia Member 367 posts 10,364 battles Report post #15 Posted February 21, 2018 52 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said: For me, only criteria (after looks ofc) is that the guns have to perform. No wonder I skipped Gneisenau and Izumo. The funny thing is, Gnei has close to the best main battery hit rate of all the t7 bbs (Warships Today) undoubtedly because it's a brawler and much of its shooting is at closer ranges, although its avg dmg is not so good. Still a fun ship to play though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
101 [KAMI] _Sammich_ Member 341 posts 16,303 battles Report post #16 Posted February 21, 2018 If the Gneis had better main guns she would be ridiculously OP. They are the only thing balancing her given that she has: - speed - armour - AA - wicked secondaries - torps - turret traverse Ive kept mine and almost have an 18pt Captain with her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
282 [NFB] PeterMoe1963 Member 1,342 posts 22,677 battles Report post #17 Posted February 21, 2018 15 hours ago, DFaultPlayR69 said: Gneisenau Hard to say for anyone if Gneisenau is a keeper for you. Depends on what you like. Gneisenau would be one of my favorite BB’s. Good secondaries and torpedoes make her quite dangerous at close range. Also speed and AA are good. Where the Scharnhorst’s 283mm AP may bounce, the Gneisenau’s 380mm AP may well penetrate. With Scharnhorst’s 9 barrels you may hit at target, when the 6 shells from Gneisenau may miss. Gneisenau’s reload is 26 sec, relatively fast for a BB, but slower than the 20 sec of Scharnhorst. The guns make the two ships quite different, even if everything else is very similar. When you ask me, you should *not* skip Gneisenau. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
165 [POI] Darkworld_2015 Member 978 posts 11,735 battles Report post #18 Posted February 22, 2018 I love my Gneisenau! The guns hit hard (though dispersion will make me jump from my seat at times) good AA (and the long range AA rarely got damaged even by the end of the match, unless you run into British BB), good speed. It's fun. I'd suggest you to keep the free XP for upgrading Bismarck stock hull upon unlocking it, AND to skip FDG.. For me Scharnhorst and Gneisenau played differently. Shiny horse is like a super big cruiser, while Gneisenau is a fast BB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94 [911] Moldavia Member 367 posts 10,364 battles Report post #19 Posted February 22, 2018 13 hours ago, DFaultPlayR69 said: Well, I think you guys convinced me to grind through the Gneis when I unlock it. Might as well just use the free exp to fully upgrade the Bismarck when I unlock it. Don't be too quick to splurge your fxp, you can do a bit of stock grinding in coop (maybe there'll even be a t8 scenario by then) and save it up to assist with the FdG grind. FdG feels like a bit of a come-down after Bismarck and the only really good thing about it is, at the end, you get a massive 50% increase in guns when you get GK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13 DFaultPlayR69 Member 70 posts 5,129 battles Report post #20 Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Moldavia said: Don't be too quick to splurge your fxp, you can do a bit of stock grinding in coop (maybe there'll even be a t8 scenario by then) and save it up to assist with the FdG grind. FdG feels like a bit of a come-down after Bismarck and the only really good thing about it is, at the end, you get a massive 50% increase in guns when you get GK. Im not really planning to go up the KM BBs. I only want the Bismarck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,801 [TDA] RalphTheTheatreCat Supertest Coordinator, Alpha Tester 6,420 posts 13,625 battles Report post #21 Posted February 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, DFaultPlayR69 said: Im not really planning to go up the KM BBs. I only want the Bismarck. Do yourself a favour and just buy the Derptiz then. It does everything the Bismark does but with torps. The KMBB line is a great line of ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
94 [911] Moldavia Member 367 posts 10,364 battles Report post #22 Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said: Do yourself a favour and just buy the Derptiz then. It does everything the Bismark does but with torps. The KMBB line is a great line of ships If you haven't got a Misery then it's about the next best thing for printing credits too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
13 DFaultPlayR69 Member 70 posts 5,129 battles Report post #23 Posted February 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said: Do yourself a favour and just buy the Derptiz then. It does everything the Bismark does but with torps. The KMBB line is a great line of ships 1. I don't have the cash to buy a Derpitz. 2. I don't have a job (I'm still a student) 3. It's not that I'm gonna stop at the Bismark, I will still eventually go up the tech tree, but I'm already grinding through the USN BBs (already at the Iowa) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,274 [LBAS] LtDan_IceCream Supertester 2,373 posts Report post #24 Posted February 22, 2018 Scharnhorst is a great ship in Co-op..... Then again, so is Gneisenau.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
289 BanditSE1977 Member 1,363 posts 6,020 battles Report post #25 Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, LtDan_IceCream said: Scharnhorst is a great ship in Co-op..... Then again, so is Gneisenau.... And they are both perfect for Operation Narai! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
