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Ok. this is just a rant coming from me, I'm a noobie player with 2000 battles so far and just managed to get my Musashi maybe a week back which I would come to regret it direly.

I was super excited to test out the Musashi since its said to be the sister ship of the Yamato. I thought 1.8 sigma is nothing important and lack of AA is not that important since Asia server has small CV playerbase and its kinda rare that you actually get to meet one. So ok, I went into my first battles with my Musashi. Since I've never rode Yamato before I wasn't used to the gameplay yet and caused my team to burden me whos dealing less then average damage and literally almost not contributing to the team at all. (Sorry if you meet me back then.) then about 40-50ish matches with the Musashi now and I get a decent hang of it by now. YET! still I could not even hit my shells at a 7km Ibuki who was showing me a broadside which became literally a 'Shotgun' (god RNG why) there were times where I thought I could get the citadel but it did not infact it overpens and there were times which I thought "oh my shells are not gonna citadel definitely." But it does citadel. And Musashi does not even have a credit earning factor like Missouri nor does it have radar or sonar. I don't know I might be playing it wrong but Musashi is just BAD for me. I wish WG can give me back my 750k exp so I can just get a Missouri or a Yamato :'( or please buff sigma plz?

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Mushashi having yamato's armor and hp pool at t9 forced a nerf elsewhere to not be completely broken. 1.8 sigma is not as bad as you think- the problem is that a musashi can only shoot 6 guns most of the time which means rng can and will screw you over from time to time. Regardless, a musashi can just sit bow in and tank like crazy especially if in a top tier game without other musashi/yamato shooting your bow. So you just mitigate your rng dependence by throwing out as many salvos as you can while making the enemy team waste 5 minutes just to try and burn you down.
And no, it doesnt need any buffs at all and you should've done more research before getting the musashi when you knew the missouri was going to go off the tech tree soon

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Yeah why did you get Musashi when you know the Missouri is going to be leaving soon? If you don't like the Missouri at least you can get some comfort from the fact that she is a limited edition ship.

Well on the bright side Musashi and Yamato have the same playstyle, so if you don't like the Musashi you may not like the Yamato. So you may want to consider grinding up another BB line.

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Dunno if WG Support does do refund service thingy in your case with Musashi since my friend got his 'accidentally' sold premium tank back into his garage with credits deducted. Try filing a ticket to support, if they do allow such service then you are lucky. If they don't cover that then F (for respect), dude.

Sigma does matter though. Yamato with 2.3 sigmas is far different with 1.8 sigma with Musashi.

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50 minutes ago, KmonX said:

Ok. this is just a rant coming from me, I'm a noobie player with 2000 battles so far and just managed to get my Musashi maybe a week back which I would come to regret it direly.

I was super excited to test out the Musashi since its said to be the sister ship of the Yamato. I thought 1.8 sigma is nothing important and lack of AA is not that important since Asia server has small CV playerbase and its kinda rare that you actually get to meet one. So ok, I went into my first battles with my Musashi. Since I've never rode Yamato before I wasn't used to the gameplay yet and caused my team to burden me whos dealing less then average damage and literally almost not contributing to the team at all. (Sorry if you meet me back then.) then about 40-50ish matches with the Musashi now and I get a decent hang of it by now. YET! still I could not even hit my shells at a 7km Ibuki who was showing me a broadside which became literally a 'Shotgun' (god RNG why) there were times where I thought I could get the citadel but it did not infact it overpens and there were times which I thought "oh my shells are not gonna citadel definitely." But it does citadel. And Musashi does not even have a credit earning factor like Missouri nor does it have radar or sonar. I don't know I might be playing it wrong but Musashi is just BAD for me. I wish WG can give me back my 750k exp so I can just get a Missouri or a Yamato :'( or please buff sigma plz?

Sigma is not what you think it is. And most certainly it has nothing to do with missing target at 7 km. You can think about sigma when you shoot something at 20km or so. I think you are just getting trolled by RNG. Make sure you fit proper upgrades on your Musashi. Yamato and Musashi follows a holding ground style. You keep creeping head pushing your enemies away. If you move around a lot, your damage output will drop significantly. Musashi is overpowered at her tier already. Specially when you are top tier, you can probably tank for the full 20 minutes without any trouble as long as there are no CVs.

I don't think this is refundable, since you played the ship already and will be translated as "using purchased goods". Otherwise you could ask support, and they probably would refund it for the first time. Still give it a try with supports.

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Even the 2.1 sigma of Yamato does not guarantee that 100% of your shots will hit right at the spot you aim while some godly shell groupings still happen with Fuso 1.5 sigma. Just treat it as some bad RNG.

 

Sometimes I wish the sigma value had never been datamined so people will suffer less from confirmation bias and not get disturbed just by some insignificant nerf. A few weeks ago I saw a comment on reddit that the 5s reload buff of Musashi was justified to compensate for 0.1 less sigma than Missouri.

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RnG guys Rng... :'( though I'm also not so familiar with Musashi/Yamato gameplay cuz when i place myself in a wrong area for bow in i just burn to death by Zaos and Hindens <---- those guys HE hurt soooo bad and also the already existing OP BB the British ships JESUS the HE shells of those brits are hell of a damage :l

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1 hour ago, icy_phoenix said:

Sigma is not what you think it is. And most certainly it has nothing to do with missing target at 7 km. You can think about sigma when you shoot something at 20km or so. I think you are just getting trolled by RNG. Make sure you fit proper upgrades on your Musashi. Yamato and Musashi follows a holding ground style. You keep creeping head pushing your enemies away. If you move around a lot, your damage output will drop significantly. Musashi is overpowered at her tier already. Specially when you are top tier, you can probably tank for the full 20 minutes without any trouble as long as there are no CVs.

I don't think this is refundable, since you played the ship already and will be translated as "using purchased goods". Otherwise you could ask support, and they probably would refund it for the first time. Still give it a try with supports.

Ill try that thanks i wish it does work... though i dont trust WG to begin with --

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1 hour ago, Mingfang47 said:

Dunno if WG Support does do refund service thingy in your case with Musashi since my friend got his 'accidentally' sold premium tank back into his garage with credits deducted. Try filing a ticket to support, if they do allow such service then you are lucky. If they don't cover that then F (for respect), dude.

Sigma does matter though. Yamato with 2.3 sigmas is far different with 1.8 sigma with Musashi.

Ill try to submit one thanks. also btw yamato has 2.1 not 2.3

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1 hour ago, Thyaliad said:

Yeah why did you get Musashi when you know the Missouri is going to be leaving soon? If you don't like the Missouri at least you can get some comfort from the fact that she is a limited edition ship.

Well on the bright side Musashi and Yamato have the same playstyle, so if you don't like the Musashi you may not like the Yamato. So you may want to consider grinding up another BB line.

my main is Destroyer line... BB line is actually quite fresh ive had my nagato and tirpitz but musashi is just different.

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Thanks for all the reply after giving it some thought looks like I'm just playing the Musashi wrong. Ill try to learn more get the positions right and 'hold the fort' and deal continuous amount of damage. Thanks for all your helps so far guys your replies helped me to use the ship.

 

P.S: I did submit a ticket though I think I'll cancel it. :P

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2 hours ago, Adm_Kunkka said:

And no, it doesnt need any buffs at all and you should've done more research before getting the musashi when you knew the missouri was going to go off the tech tree soon

Ouch....rubbing salt into the wound...it hurt so much :Smile_sceptic::fish_sleep::fish_sleep:

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1 hour ago, Hey_Potato said:

Ouch....rubbing salt into the wound...it hurt so much :Smile_sceptic::fish_sleep::fish_sleep:

haha... My fault though...

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4 hours ago, Adm_Kunkka said:

And no, it doesnt need any buffs at all and you should've done more research before getting the musashi when you knew the missouri was going to go off the tech tree soon

Its not like I want a Missouri direly either, but its just that I wanted to get the Musashi so bad so i didn't bother doing my research on it though I did look at the reviews seemed good and probably since Im using it wrong and stuff...

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well IMO, Missouri can be harder to play. since you need to play a bit closer to made use of your radar - so its required to play a bit more agresive in positioning.

and Missouri also cant snipe well, so even though the sigma is slightly better (0.1 diffrence), it wont blow your mind either

 

Musashi at least have less punishing guns, overall better survivability, and easier to play effectivly. If you cant made musashi work, playing missouri would be no less chalanging imo

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5 hours ago, KmonX said:

Ill try that thanks i wish it does work... though i dont trust WG to begin with --

Dont expect a refund just because a ship doesn’t perform as well as you want it to..

weebing out probably doesn’t come up in the list of reasons for refund

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4 hours ago, KmonX said:

Its not like I want a Missouri direly either, but its just that I wanted to get the Musashi so bad so i didn't bother doing my research on it though I did look at the reviews seemed good and probably since Im using it wrong and stuff...

Just go with what you like, this is a game after all. And not like Missouri is gone for ever, I'm sure there will be rotations. So no worries. :)

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4 hours ago, KmonX said:

Its not like I want a Missouri direly either, but its just that I wanted to get the Musashi so bad so i didn't bother doing my research on it though I did look at the reviews seemed good and probably since Im using it wrong and stuff...

You are right with the musashi. Its just bad. I played with a clan mates one. I hated the thing. So much so I didnt buy one and left my 1.6m fxp intact with nothing to spend it on.

To give you an idea there are days even the yamato shoots like a shotgun. To have a similar ship worse than this and shooting like a shotgun more often no thanks. 

Missouri is tonnes more consistent and just a better ship. 

Sorry to say you wasted your fxp. 

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1 hour ago, humusz said:

well IMO, Missouri can be harder to play. since you need to play a bit closer to made use of your radar - so its required to play a bit more agresive in positioning.

and Missouri also cant snipe well, so even though the sigma is slightly better (0.1 diffrence), it wont blow your mind either

 

Musashi at least have less punishing guns, overall better survivability, and easier to play effectivly. If you cant made musashi work, playing missouri would be no less chalanging imo

Your wrong there. Its overall dispersion is better couple with better sigma its a way more accurate ship. Add the usn accuracy mod for 11% improvement. In the scenario of that 7km ibuki. Your most likely getting a dev strike there with a missouri. 

I have one shotted so many things in a missouri, i think more than the other BBs i have played. 

Anyway not much the OP can do now other than spam and random crit thinks in the moresushi. 

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1 hour ago, SlamUez said:

Add the usn accuracy mod for 11% improvement.

Yep, can confirm, with both dispersion reduction mods, Missouri accuracy is insane. Forget 2.1 sigma, overrated crap.

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40 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

Yep, can confirm, with both dispersion reduction mods, Missouri accuracy is insane. Forget 2.1 sigma, overrated crap.

Sigma is only the grouping within the dispersion ellipse, isn't it?

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1 hour ago, Moldavia said:

Sigma is only the grouping within the dispersion ellipse, isn't it?

Yup. Sigma is the grouping. Dispersion affects the ellipse.

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12 hours ago, KmonX said:

YET! still I could not even hit my shells at a 7km Ibuki who was showing me a broadside which became literally a 'Shotgun' (god RNG why) there were times where I thought I could get the citadel but it did not infact it overpens and there were times which I thought "oh my shells are not gonna citadel definitely." But it does citadel.

You never once mentioned the 18" caliber of the guns. This is the be-all and end-all of Musashi is it not? You go in, you find the biggest and baddest enemy BB, and you smash it. You go and do the same thing to the next largest BB, and so on down the line. Shooting at anything else is a waste of shells, the rounds are better spent elsewhere. Your team suppresses the enemy HE spam for you and run blocking action to keep the enemy DDs off your back, while you work on the BBs.

 

[I have never played a T8-10 BB, I infer this to be the correct strategy for Musashi only because it is the correct general strategy for all BBs, in that the larger and less accurate and slower the guns the more you need to focus on targets you are most likely to hit and do the most damage to. Musashi in addition has the overmatch mechanic in it's favor, a huge reason to focus on BBs as much as possible.]

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Regarding sigma. It has nothing to do with the  size of zone your shells will land in, it relates to how likely they are to hit within the centre of that dispersion zone. Ive probably explained that poorly, to understand it better(and how dispersion works in game) please watch this by ichase. Prettysure this has been posted elsewhere.

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