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I dont play cv but i really feel for cv players being the scapegoat everytime.

Low tier or high tier most of the time lose a match cv will get the blame, cv is noob cv is that blablabla on and on. 

What i observe is most of the time poor positioning, me included or poor team play with team having poor judgement when to push and when to retreat..many many more but in the end its always cv that got blamed.

I too have blame cv but its a negative thing to keep blaming on one guy everytime. Yea cv have big influence but everyone in a team plays a part to win.

Stop the blame ame so everyone can have fun and enjoy playing. :cap_like:

 

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I encountered a CV refused to listen in the critical battle situation. Even if one or more dead players advised the allied CV on the best course of action, CV still ignores it & lost the game.

Unless he's really a newbie or language-barrier or literally refused to listen.

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11 minutes ago, Mingfang47 said:

I encountered a CV refused to listen in the critical battle situation. Even if one or more dead players advised the allied CV on the best course of action, CV still ignores it & lost the game.

Unless he's really a newbie or language-barrier or literally refused to listen.

Playing a cv requires constant micromanagement. I often don't even notice what's happening in chat (except for fn key input, which is accompanied by an audible tone) and very seldom do I enter any myself - much too  busy.

Anyway, why should he take your advice?

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16 minutes ago, Moldavia said:

Playing a cv requires constant micromanagement. I often don't even notice what's happening in chat (except for fn key input, which is accompanied by an audible tone) and very seldom do I enter any myself - much too  busy.

Anyway, why should he take your advice?

Recently, a critical situation where 1 enemy Omaha capping the base (75% to completion) with 5k HP and 2 vs 2 ships left (1 enemy CV AFK). CV/Ryuujou(Strike Load) send all his 3 strike squadron to an 80% HP battleship instead of resetting. So why take our advice? That's up to you if you want to throw the game to defeat or win the battle. But heck, why do we want to lose?

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28 minutes ago, Moldavia said:

Playing a cv requires constant micromanagement. I often don't even notice what's happening in chat (except for fn key input, which is accompanied by an audible tone) and very seldom do I enter any myself - much too  busy.

Anyway, why should he take your advice?

Why should he take his advice? Because he himself can't decide where to strike and where to support? And don't give that "too busy" excuse. Specially for low mid tier CVs.

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11 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

Why should he take his advice? Because he himself can't decide where to strike and where to support? And don't give that "too busy" excuse. Specially for low mid tier CVs.

So every time someone squawks for AA support (and they often start squawking the moment the battle starts), I should drop everything and send my fts in his direction.

Really, this just confirms the sentiments expressed in the  OP.

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1 hour ago, Mingfang47 said:

I encountered a CV refused to listen in the critical battle situation. Even if one or more dead players advised the allied CV on the best course of action, CV still ignores it & lost the game.

Unless he's really a newbie or language-barrier or literally refused to listen.

 

44 minutes ago, Moldavia said:

Playing a cv requires constant micromanagement. I often don't even notice what's happening in chat (except for fn key input, which is accompanied by an audible tone) and very seldom do I enter any myself - much too  busy.

Anyway, why should he take your advice?

Common sense shall dictates the following course of action unless that person is a total.... :cap_book::cap_hmm::cap_fainting:

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ok guys no need to argue lol

you will meet any kind of players in all kinds of ships, some will take the advice some will not

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1 hour ago, Moldavia said:

So every time someone squawks for AA support (and they often start squawking the moment the battle starts), I should drop everything and send my fts in his direction.

Really, this just confirms the sentiments expressed in the  OP.

If there is a full strike package on top of your friendly ship, and he HAD to ask for your help, and YOU STARTED THINKING WHETHER YOU SHOULD DROP EVERYTHING, you might as well drop playing CVs. People don't ask for AA support for nothing. I don't ask for AA support when I'm playing a Neptune. For low tier it's a bit more understandable. But the shitshow we have to withstand at tier 7+ with CV players is mind boggling. Makes me wonder how have they managed to get this far playing something that doesn't fit their skill. "I am too busy to notice what is going on in battleground" should already be enough reason for not playing that class. You have to do what it requires to be successful with a class, excuses are just that, excuses. You don't expect a pampering on your feet just because you are in a CV, do you?

And here comes the infamous "CV Can't be everywhere" excuse. No one asked CV planes to be everywhere, he just needs to be at one place, where it is needed. Now if a player cannot determine where his planes are supposed to be after a good number of games, even from looking at the battlefield from a top down view, he should reconsider playing the other 3 classes. 3 is still bigger than 1.

CV is just another class which WG will never be able to balance in terms of skill dependency. Some players think they are doing the community a service by picking CV, but the reality is, WG should make CVs having a lot less impact to remove these skill gap issues. Right now it is too much and hence the rage.

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13 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

CV is just another class which WG will never be able to balance in terms of skill dependency. Some players think they are doing the community a service by picking CV, but the reality is, WG should make CVs having a lot less impact to remove these skill gap issues. Right now it is too much and hence the rage.

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why CV got into spotlight (of blame) is because they hold dominant position on the team.

if your Team BB or Cruiser sucks, there almost imposible to single them out due to RNG or numbers of other BB on the team.  (aside from sniping from map border)

but when other CV dominate the others. everyone can clearly see it - everysingle missplay every single misstake

 

CV need to be less dominant, but being allowed to have multiple CV in a match

it would elevate the pressure for CV player, and honestly it would made perception that playing CV less scary - for newcomer of the class

its like in other RTS like SC or C&C - its more casual and less pressure to have 2 vs 2 than 1 vs 1

 

 

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Like with all other ships, every time someone asks for advice, it is up to you to decide whether or not to take it. The advice they are giving may not be a good one.

43 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

And here comes the infamous "CV Can't be everywhere" excuse. No one asked CV planes to be everywhere, he just needs to be at one place, where it is needed. Now if a player cannot determine where his planes are supposed to be after a good number of games, even from looking at the battlefield from a top down view, he should reconsider playing the other 3 classes. 3 is still bigger than 1.

So even CV unicums like Fara aren't good enough?

When it comes to providing AA, it is kinda like performing triage.

There are 3 groups - those who would survive without your fighter cover, whose who would die even with your fighter cover, and those who would die without your fighter cover but would live if they had it. It is the last group that a CV should be most concerned with, followed by the 1st group. The middle group is a lost cause, but unfortunately they tend to make the most noise.

And imo most people don't know how to deal with being in a CV match. They still insist on doing stupid things like sailing alone in a low AA ship or yoloing into cap without fighter cover or cruiser AA protection. People play different depending on how many DDs/radar/etc in the game, but yet when it comes to CVs, they have no clue.

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You play at your worst performance, got blamed and reported, did their best to carry the game but lost, still reported. There are players who check the profile of the CV player and ridiculed him because of his <40% win rate on a certain CV. Why I know it? I also play CV's and I eat insults as breakfast, a player ridiculed me when I played my Midway and ridiculed me because of my <40% win rate on this. They didn't know why I got this rate and don't have the right to insult me because they didn't know what I felt when I took up CV's in battle; analyzing the flow of battle, pinpointing where the least AA clustered ships at, spotting, countering enemy CV's movements, and etc. There are times that I asked myself why I still playing this class despite WG didn't do much on reworking them. The least I can do is ignore their opinions and continue playing.

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Should I pity the ONE player who essensially putting 11 others of his teammates into an unplayable match just by picking THE MOST DOMINANT CLASS IN THE GAME?

Ok let me try to elaborate this "Unplayable Match" because some will not understand this one bit.
 

Destroyers

  • Unable to contest Capture zone they have to deal with Radar, Hydro and with CV is in plays know how worse it is.
  • If you're saying "Well stick to the fleet let them give AA for you" basically you're telling the class which operates IN THE FRONT of the fleet to stay at the back. (Back to IJN DD Memes)
  • Unable to flank or if it tries it run a risk of getting picked off by CV and also (Back to IJN DD Memes)
  • There's a reason why players run DFAA on DDs with DDs that have access to them.

Cruisers

  • Unable to support Destroyers because Cruisers will get spotted by planes before destroyers.
  • When they're spotted they have to turn away taking evasive maneuvers and you can guess what happens to Destroyers it tries to give AA support.
  • CV doesn't have to strike Cruisers to give them a bad time. Just put a plane somewhere Cruiser operates and suddenly that said Cruiser is having a bad time thanks to being spotted.
  • Unable to flank ... Again when somebody is SEEING YOU you're not going to get a jump on anyone.

Battleships

  • If you think Cruisers can't get close to the front is bad it actually worse for battleships. Instead of operating between 12-13kms now they have to operate at 15kms+.
  • By operating close with other battleships you just create a one angle threat for the enemy team instead of having multiple angles to worry about.
  • Unable to maneuvers freely, Sooner or later you'll want to make a turn and you don't want to make a turn when the enemy team is SPOTTING YOU (with planes).
  • Battleships are guranteed to lose a chunk of HP whenever they got struck by a CV, which could make a difference between "Being a threat to the enemy team" and "Being an easy target"

 

Lastly. (TLDR)
Players KNOW how to deal with CV alright, they stick togethers and guess what.... A LEMMING TRAIN and its not just any lemming train, its a DEFENSIVE LEMMING TRAIN.
A worst kind of lemming train where it goes nowhere good for the team nor anyone and you can expect enemy team to controls all 4 Capture Zones.

Those who operates alone aren't always "They don't know what they're doing" but rather they know the problems staying with the fleet (Lemming train).

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1 hour ago, Thyaliad said:

So even CV unicums like Fara aren't good enough?

I don't know who that is, and I am not interested in name calling either. I am yet to see a good CV player who failed to support the team. As you can see my 99% games are in divisions and those are all really good CV players that I play with. Not saying everyone has to play like them, but there are at least some level of competency expected when you are playing the MOST DOMINANT & IMPACTFUL CLASS in the entire game.

CV screws you over, either being in enemy team, or being in your team, and that's a statistical truth. Go deny it.

[Edit] Looks like MikuChrome elaborated this quite good.

Just wanna add, yes, I have seen many CV players argue about "Don't rush cap while there are CVs". But you never see them typing: "I will support the cap before everything else". Basically team with more competent CV easily gets the free caps. Wait, caps arent important, right? So these players (a) not doing their job for supporting the most important points, (b) telling others not to do their job either. Really shows the lack of confidence if anyone asks me.

Pfft, players don't know how to deal with having CVs in team. I wonder what they think about players not playing CVs. Dumb or something worse may be. Gotta wait for her Majesty to wake up and support the caps.

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Cvs are great when you really have to sink a few bbs for a very important mission task. I got 5 today from 4 battles in my Zuiho.

Just thought I'd try to drop a bit of levity into the discussion:)

PS Before I get bagged for not doing the team thing, we did win 75%.

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A CV that does their best does their best. You may not get the support you think you deserved, they may make mistakes that you think they shouldn't have, but my advice is to hold abusing CV in chat. It's not their fault that making small mistakes (or simply being less skilled than the enemy CV) has such a great influence on the game outcome.

Me, I've just resigned that at low tier there are going to be games where facepalming is the order of the day. I've had more than a few recently:

You advance up, see two enemy torp squadrons and escort slowly work their way up the map towards you and think, "ok, CV has spotted spotted those, but I'll just ping them on the minimap anyway..." half a minute later nothing, so you hit F6 and prepare evasive ,,,, another half minute later you are caught in a perfectly executed 4x2 V-drop and sunk. This happened to me in the opening frames of the game, practically right in front of our CV, no green planes in sight. Makes one wonder...

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1 hour ago, MikuChrome said:

Should I pity the ONE player who essensially putting 11 others of his teammates into an unplayable match just by picking THE MOST DOMINANT CLASS IN THE GAME?

Ok let me try to elaborate this "Unplayable Match" because some will not understand this one bit.
 

Destroyers

  • Unable to contest Capture zone they have to deal with Radar, Hydro and with CV is in plays know how worse it is.
  • If you're saying "Well stick to the fleet let them give AA for you" basically you're telling the class which operates IN THE FRONT of the fleet to stay at the back. (Back to IJN DD Memes)
  • Unable to flank or if it tries it run a risk of getting picked off by CV and also (Back to IJN DD Memes)
  • There's a reason why players run DFAA on DDs with DDs that have access to them.

Cruisers

  • Unable to support Destroyers because Cruisers will get spotted by planes before destroyers.
  • When they're spotted they have to turn away taking evasive maneuvers and you can guess what happens to Destroyers it tries to give AA support.
  • CV doesn't have to strike Cruisers to give them a bad time. Just put a plane somewhere Cruiser operates and suddenly that said Cruiser is having a bad time thanks to being spotted.
  • Unable to flank ... Again when somebody is SEEING YOU you're not going to get a jump on anyone.

Battleships

  • If you think Cruisers can't get close to the front is bad it actually worse for battleships. Instead of operating between 12-13kms now they have to operate at 15kms+.
  • By operating close with other battleships you just create a one angle threat for the enemy team instead of having multiple angles to worry about.
  • Unable to maneuvers freely, Sooner or later you'll want to make a turn and you don't want to make a turn when the enemy team is SPOTTING YOU (with planes).
  • Battleships are guranteed to lose a chunk of HP whenever they got struck by a CV, which could make a difference between "Being a threat to the enemy team" and "Being an easy target"

 

Lastly. (TLDR)
Players KNOW how to deal with CV alright, they stick togethers and guess what.... A LEMMING TRAIN and its not just any lemming train, its a DEFENSIVE LEMMING TRAIN.
A worst kind of lemming train where it goes nowhere good for the team nor anyone and you can expect enemy team to controls all 4 Capture Zones.

Those who operates alone aren't always "They don't know what they're doing" but rather they know the problems staying with the fleet (Lemming train).

I am not asking DDs to stay away from CAPs, I am asking them not to yolo into it without thinking. Play smart and do not enter until you have fighter cover or if you see the enemy's planes are elsewhere. If you want to take chances, be prepared to face the consequences. It is no different from trying to push into a cap when you know a radar cruiser is nearby.

For Cruisers, abuse islands to block angles of fire and WASD hax to get closer to provide your AA umbrella. Many maps have islands near cap zones that allow you to do this. And BBs taking chunks of damage from CVs only happens if you are caught out alone or moving at low speeds. You do not know how frustrating it is as a CV player to randomly lose planes to some cruiser or BB sitting behind an island where my team cannot get him. On some maps, this basically locks down the sector from receiving any air support.

In all my BB games, the only times I get utterly smashed by CVs if I am caught out in the open and that is usually my mistake. And I am actually quite aggressive in my BBs - I like to push nearer using islands to support the cap. As someone who plays CVs from time to time, I can tell you I absolutely love going after those BBs trying to snipe from the backline. I would rather take more time and go after them than to attack the group of ships sitting near the cap and just getting my planes shot down. Unlike other classes, CVs are the only class in the game that have limited ammo so to speak.

So yes, people DON'T know how to deal with CVs. The fact that people think a lemming train is a counter shows that people really have no idea. You don't need a lemming train, what your team needs to do is to form small, tight-knit groups and approach the cap together. A group of 3-4 ships would do, preferably centered around high AA ships. Of course, that requires more teamwork and coordination than what most players are willing to give the game.

1 hour ago, icy_phoenix said:

I don't know who that is, and I am not interested in name calling either. I am yet to see a good CV player who failed to support the team. As you can see my 99% games are in divisions and those are all really good CV players that I play with. Not saying everyone has to play like them, but there are at least some level of competency expected when you are playing the MOST DOMINANT & IMPACTFUL CLASS in the entire game.

CV screws you over, either being in enemy team, or being in your team, and that's a statistical truth. Go deny it.

[Edit] Looks like MikuChrome elaborated this quite good.

I am referring to Farazelleth, one of the best CV players in the EU server who also does YouTube vids. On some occasions, he openly states that he won't help so-and-so player because there is nothing he can do for them. His planes can't teleport, he can only put his planes at limited locations at any one point of time. Again, this is part of the triage concept I was talking about. Help the players you know you can help, and don't bother trying helping those you know you can't. Helping the lost-causes will only make you waste your resources, and puts those who really needed your help at risk.

Of course good CV players support the team, that's what makes them good CV players. I don't think anybody here explicitly said not to support the team, but you have to realise that CV's have limited squadrons. The CV player must decide where his support is best needed and utilised. If both group A and B need my support, but I know I only have the resources on hand to only support one group, then I have to make the tough decision of leaving one group out to dry. But for that unfortunate group, it looks like the I am not being supportive. But I am indeed trying to support the team, it just so happens that I had written you off so to speak. It might seem cruel, and maybe it is, but that is the way of the game.

Also unlike surface ships, CVs spend most of the time with the bird's eye view of the map. So he may be seeing something you are not.

In a nutshell, help the CV help you. If you band together to share AA and make your CVs' lives easier, then he will be in a better position to help your team by closing the gaps in  your AA network. Don't put yourself in a position where you are always needing CV support. CV can't babysit you 24/7 - there are other friendly ships in the game for them to consider too. Ping the minimap if you see enemy bombers approaching, don't just spam the chat or F-keys. CV players spend a lot of time looking at the map, not so much the chat.

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17 minutes ago, Thyaliad said:

I am not asking DDs to stay away from CAPs, I am asking them not to yolo into it without thinking. Play smart and do not enter until you have fighter cover or if you see the enemy's planes are elsewhere. If you want to take chances, be prepared to face the consequences. It is no different from trying to push into a cap when you know a radar cruiser is nearby.

For Cruisers, abuse islands to block angles of fire and WASD hax to get closer to provide your AA umbrella. Many maps have islands near cap zones that allow you to do this. And BBs taking chunks of damage from CVs only happens if you are caught out alone or moving at low speeds. You do not know how frustrating it is as a CV player to randomly lose planes to some cruiser or BB sitting behind an island where my team cannot get him. On some maps, this basically locks down the sector from receiving any air support.

In all my BB games, the only times I get utterly smashed by CVs if I am caught out in the open and that is usually my mistake. And I am actually quite aggressive in my BBs - I like to push nearer using islands to support the cap. As someone who plays CVs from time to time, I can tell you I absolutely love going after those BBs trying to snipe from the backline. I would rather take more time and go after them than to attack the group of ships sitting near the cap and just getting my planes shot down. Unlike other classes, CVs are the only class in the game that have limited ammo so to speak.

So yes, people DON'T know how to deal with CVs. The fact that people think a lemming train is a counter shows that people really have no idea. You don't need a lemming train, what your team needs to do is to form small, tight-knit groups and approach the cap together. A group of 3-4 ships would do, preferably centered around high AA ships. Of course, that requires more teamwork and coordination than what most players are willing to give the game.

I am referring to Farazelleth, one of the best CV players in the EU server who also does YouTube vids. On some occasions, he openly states that he won't help so-and-so player because there is nothing he can do for them. His planes can't teleport, he can only put his planes at limited locations at any one point of time. Again, this is part of the triage concept I was talking about. Help the players you know you can help, and don't bother trying helping those you know you can't. Helping the lost-causes will only make you waste your resources, and puts those who really needed your help at risk.

Of course good CV players support the team, that's what makes them good CV players. I don't think anybody here explicitly said not to support the team, but you have to realise that CV's have limited squadrons. The CV player must decide where his support is best needed and utilised. If both group A and B need my support, but I know I only have the resources on hand to only support one group, then I have to make the tough decision of leaving one group out to dry. But for that unfortunate group, it looks like the I am not being supportive. But I am indeed trying to support the team, it just so happens that I had written you off so to speak. It might seem cruel, and maybe it is, but that is the way of the game.

Also unlike surface ships, CVs spend most of the time with the bird's eye view of the map. So he may be seeing something you are not.

In a nutshell, help the CV help you. If you band together to share AA and make your CVs' lives easier, then he will be in a better position to help your team by closing the gaps in  your AA network. Don't put yourself in a position where you are always needing CV support. CV can't babysit you 24/7 - there are other friendly ships in the game for them to consider too. Ping the minimap if you see enemy bombers approaching, don't just spam the chat or F-keys. CV players spend a lot of time looking at the map, not so much the chat.

 

^^^ this says it all in a nutshell. 

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All I can say against CVs is:
They ruin everyone's fun (except full AA build players who just farm plane kills for the lolz and the unicum cv who gets matched up against the 40% wr cv)
At high tiers, a single CV holds more influence than several DDs combined. Which is a big problem when the CV player in question is massively inferior to the enemy player. If someone cant pull 50% wr in a shokaku, that just means he needs to go back to ryujo and practice, or practice in coop. Unless you just don't give a damn about the 11 players you disappoint every matchh

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25 minutes ago, Adm_Kunkka said:

All I can say against CVs is:
They ruin everyone's fun (except full AA build players who just farm plane kills for the lolz and the unicum cv who gets matched up against the 40% wr cv)
At high tiers, a single CV holds more influence than several DDs combined. Which is a big problem when the CV player in question is massively inferior to the enemy player. If someone cant pull 50% wr in a shokaku, that just means he needs to go back to ryujo and practice, or practice in coop. Unless you just don't give a damn about the 11 players you disappoint every matchh

any ship can ruin anyone's fun not only cv 

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2 hours ago, Thyaliad said:

*Snipped*

So yes, people DON'T know how to deal with CVs. The fact that people think a lemming train is a counter shows that people really have no idea. You don't need a lemming train, what your team needs to do is to form small, tight-knit groups and approach the cap together. A group of 3-4 ships would do, preferably centered around high AA ships. Of course, that requires more teamwork and coordination than what most players are willing to give the game.

I am referring to Farazelleth, one of the best CV players in the EU server who also does YouTube vids. On some occasions, he openly states that he won't help so-and-so player because there is nothing he can do for them. His planes can't teleport, he can only put his planes at limited locations at any one point of time. Again, this is part of the triage concept I was talking about. Help the players you know you can help, and don't bother trying helping those you know you can't. Helping the lost-causes will only make you waste your resources, and puts those who really needed your help at risk.

Of course good CV players support the team, that's what makes them good CV players. I don't think anybody here explicitly said not to support the team, but you have to realise that CV's have limited squadrons. The CV player must decide where his support is best needed and utilised. If both group A and B need my support, but I know I only have the resources on hand to only support one group, then I have to make the tough decision of leaving one group out to dry. But for that unfortunate group, it looks like the I am not being supportive. But I am indeed trying to support the team, it just so happens that I had written you off so to speak. It might seem cruel, and maybe it is, but that is the way of the game.

Also unlike surface ships, CVs spend most of the time with the bird's eye view of the map. So he may be seeing something you are not.

In a nutshell, help the CV help you. If you band together to share AA and make your CVs' lives easier, then he will be in a better position to help your team by closing the gaps in  your AA network. Don't put yourself in a position where you are always needing CV support. CV can't babysit you 24/7 - there are other friendly ships in the game for them to consider too. Ping the minimap if you see enemy bombers approaching, don't just spam the chat or F-keys. CV players spend a lot of time looking at the map, not so much the chat.

So you're gonna just pretend that you don't know what happens out there, and keep telling me what to do even though I pretty much know everything you just wrote for like the 2nd time... Can you stop telling people what to do and start telling something about what CVs should do? Do I look like someone who doesn't know what to do when facing CV? I'm telling you this, 5 out of 10 CV players have not a single clue on what they are doing. Forget A B C... You won't find them anywhere near anything.

"CVs see something that we do not"... Hold me please, I just flipped over. I used to think only BB, DD and CA players get tunnel visioned, but apparently many CVs out there are NO visioned. Not even when enemy CV is dropping on them. And after getting sunk they type in chat "wtf, I was busy..."

I agree with you on the fact that they need to decide what they need to do and who they need to support... Oh wait, they can't, since they have no clue either. If you think I am just ranting, I can show you replays of my last 20-30 games with CVs in the team. You will be ashamed for advocating on their behalf, not just my team, enemy team too.

This was so bad that now we leave queue when we see CVs. No point in getting handicapped form the beginning.

At the end, I'm going to ask you some questions:

"Play smart and do not enter until you have fighter cover or if you see the enemy's planes are elsewhere"

Q: Is there a guarantee that this is even going to happen? DDs don't have all day, and hope you know that caps bleed points, and game lasts not even 20 minutes effectively.

"Don't put yourself in a position where you are always needing CV support. CV can't babysit you 24/7 - there are other friendly ships in the game for them to consider too."

Q: Why does he needs to think about any other ships other than where the strike is happening? Major strike happens on only one place at a time. Or how hard is it to figure out which asset you need to save in case of multiple strikes? Who asked about babysitting anything? CV has no need to park his fighters on top of a ships head.

"But for that unfortunate group, it looks like the I am not being supportive. But I am indeed trying to support the team, it just so happens that I had written you off so to speak"

Q: So, if you were not there where enemy CV was striking, what exactly were you doing on the other fortunate group? Eating popcorn? And writing something off, pfft. What gives you that right? You are indeed trying to support the team by doing exactly what? Believe me or not, we can read the minimap very well too.

Q: Aren't you basically admitting that the 11 other players be handicapped by 1 player? They need to sit tight before that one player decides to do something? When statistically CV player is usually not as good as most other players on the team on other three classes. You want us to believe that he can make the right choice?

You are actually right. We don't know how to deal with it. It needs a special type of brain. Nothing more to say.

 

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1 hour ago, icy_phoenix said:

So you're gonna just pretend that you don't know what happens out there, and keep telling me what to do even though I pretty much know everything you just wrote for like the 2nd time... Can you stop telling people what to do and start telling something about what CVs should do? Do I look like someone who doesn't know what to do when facing CV? I'm telling you this, 5 out of 10 CV players have not a single clue on what they are doing. Forget A B C... You won't find them anywhere near anything.

"CVs see something that we do not"... Hold me please, I just flipped over. I used to think only BB, DD and CA players get tunnel visioned, but apparently many CVs out there are NO visioned. Not even when enemy CV is dropping on them. And after getting sunk they type in chat "wtf, I was busy..."

I agree with you on the fact that they need to decide what they need to do... Oh wait, they can't, since they have no clue either. If you think I am just ranting, I can show you replays of my last 20-30 games with CVs in the team. You will be ashamed for advocating on their behalf, not just my team, enemy team two.

This was so bad that now we leave queue when we see CVs. No point in getting handicapped form the beginning.

No offence, but it really does seem like CV players are blameless - believe me I hate bad CV players just as much as any other person. I automatically report CVs that use their fighters to escort their bombers when their team is getting dropped on by the enemy CV.

Why am I telling what to do? Because very often it is a 2-way street. People demand help from CVs but don't do anything to make it easier for CVs to help. They don't stick together, but they expect CVs to protect each and everyone of them. How are 2 fighters going to protect 11 players all spread out? But 2 fighters can much better protect 3-4 groups of ships. As for telling other CVs what to do, I do that in other threads, and also in-game sometimes. This

Anyway, people blame CVs for everything, whether rightfully or not. One lol-worthy moment I remember was when a BB got rekt by torps from a DD which was last seen in the vicinity. He proceeded to blame the CV for not spotting them, when the CV had his hands full helping the rest of the team at the other end of the map. So does that mean that he always gets rekt by torps when he is not in a CV match?

That was my main point if it wasn't clear. Stop relying on the CV to babysit you - try to help yourself first before asking for the CV's help. 

As for the people don't know how to react thing, that wasn't really directed at you or anyone in particular - it was just what I observed being in CV matches as both a CV and as a surface ship. Because not many people play CVs, they don't know what CVs can or cannot do. They ask for ridiculous requests - requests they would not be making if they played CVs and understood its capabilities.

As for the rest, it just looks like ranting against bad CV players. Nothing wrong with ranting against baddies - like I said i hate bad CV players just as much as anybosy - but just want to point out that that bad players are not exclusive to CVs.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying bad CV players don't exist, but statistically speaking you are more likely to have games ruined by bad BB/DD/CL/CA players than bad CV players. Yet everyone loses their mind when it comes to bad CV players.

Also contrary to popular belief, it is possible to win games despite having bad CV players on your team. Just take look at some of Farazelleth's games where the enemy team won despite him winning the CV battle.

Tl;dr: Put blame where blame is due. Help yourself first before expecting it from others 

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9 hours ago, icy_phoenix said:

 People don't ask for AA support for nothing. I don't ask for AA support when I'm playing a Neptune. For low tier it's a bit more understandable.

Ummm, I hear that "I need AA support" audible about 5 times a game in games where there are no CVs xD.

 

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3 hours ago, Thyaliad said:

Stop relying on the CV to babysit you - try to help yourself first before asking for the CV's help.

Miku has already explained how it is for the other classes with a CV who has no idea about helping team..

8 hours ago, MikuChrome said:

Destroyers

  • Unable to contest Capture zone they have to deal with Radar, Hydro and with CV is in plays know how worse it is.
  • If you're saying "Well stick to the fleet let them give AA for you" basically you're telling the class which operates IN THE FRONT of the fleet to stay at the back. (Back to IJN DD Memes)
  • Unable to flank or if it tries it run a risk of getting picked off by CV and also (Back to IJN DD Memes)
  • There's a reason why players run DFAA on DDs with DDs that have access to them.

Cruisers

  • Unable to support Destroyers because Cruisers will get spotted by planes before destroyers.
  • When they're spotted they have to turn away taking evasive maneuvers and you can guess what happens to Destroyers it tries to give AA support.
  • CV doesn't have to strike Cruisers to give them a bad time. Just put a plane somewhere Cruiser operates and suddenly that said Cruiser is having a bad time thanks to being spotted.
  • Unable to flank ... Again when somebody is SEEING YOU you're not going to get a jump on anyone.

As an FYI this game heavily depends upon Teamplay..  your argument goes invalid if you're gonna say "You shouldn't expect someone to help you" in a Team based game...

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My CV WTR is only around 1200 so I am not really qualified to talk about CVs. 

From just general observations though, people who abuse CV players themselves in-game generally do not play any CVs at all. So they can go shove it. 

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