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According to an untested source, EC has accepted suggest of Belgian: "Loot Box is a form gambling", will soon have the law.
Maybe someone will say "Container in wows not gambling because you can't buy it", but you totally can buy it, Special container.
Loot Box will be banned from Europe soon
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For EU, NA and CIS server from Asia
WoT Asia have some trouble concerns Xmas Gift Boxes 
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Please be informed that due to local regulations (Kompu gacha law) of the APAC region's supported countries, Xmas Gift Boxes 
is a gambling
For that reason, Xmas Gift Boxes sold in the Premium Shop do not contain Decorations.
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Kompu Gacha law, I would like to mention it , it's not really so bad, but new law from EC may be very bad.............
What do you think ?

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I don't really mind the daily containers, because you can't buy them even if you wanted to.

But stuff like the Santa crates? That's totally gambling in my eyes. Which is why I didn't purchase any of them out of principle.

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29 minutes ago, Thyaliad said:

I don't really mind the daily containers, because you can't buy them even if you wanted to.

But stuff like the Santa crates? That's totally gambling in my eyes. Which is why I didn't purchase any of them out of principle.

 

 

 

Welcome to the Nanny State....  where all goody two-shoes will "exercise their right" & complain about things, to ruin it for everyone else, just because:

They feel left out. 

They feel their freedoms are are in danger. 

They feel annoyed. 

They think its immoral, & think everyone else should too. 

They lucked out, so they want to lash out. 

They have an inferiority complex. 

They cant ban casinos & poker machines, cigarettes & alcohol, so they pick on computer games instead. 

Because THEY CAN (& DO)  !!! 

Quick, hide the chess sets & the playing cards, as they too can be used as instruments of gambling, as can bugs racing up walls, as we can place bets on which one reaches the top first! 

We also should ban money, as it is frequently used in gambling as well, & we cant have that, can we ? 

& cars too, we should ban them. 

& the Internet, that can be used for gambling...... 

Why don't we just ban anything that's fun, Oliver Cromwell would be most pleased, we can all be puritans again !! 

:Smile_izmena::Smile_izmena:

Ordrazz

 

 

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I don’t think the pumpkin ones or Yamamoto ones are problematic, their reward is rather constant and you have a basic image of what you will get. But the Santa ones… That is gambling. Buy a Santa crate, you may get stuff ranging from some signal flags or camo to a T8 premium. And Santa crates are the only practical way to grab premiums no longer for sale due to overly high performance.

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8 minutes ago, Ordrazz said:

 

 

 

Welcome to the Nanny State....  where all goody two-shoes will "exercise their right" & complain about things, to ruin it for everyone else, just because:

They feel left out. 

They feel their freedoms are are in danger. 

They feel annoyed. 

They think its immoral, & think everyone else should too. 

They lucked out, so they want to lash out. 

They have an inferiority complex. 

They cant ban casinos & poker machines, cigarettes & alcohol, so they pick on computer games instead. 

Because THEY CAN (& DO)  !!! 

Quick, hide the chess sets & the playing cards, as they too can be used as instruments of gambling, as can bugs racing up walls, as we can place bets on which one reaches the top first! 

We also should ban money, as it is frequently used in gambling as well, & we cant have that, can we ? 

& cars too, we should ban them. 

& the Internet, that can be used for gambling...... 

Why don't we just ban anything that's fun, Oliver Cromwell would be most pleased, we can all be puritans again !! 

:Smile_izmena::Smile_izmena:

Ordrazz

 

 

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What scares me most about this is you claim you're not a troll.

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3 minutes ago, keskparane said:

What scares me most about this is you claim you're not a troll.

 

What's your statement got to do with the topic?? 

Don't tell me you have somehow metamorphosized into one of those poor troll like creatures, who just like to comment on my posts for no reason, other to get a reaction.... 

They cant stay on topic either.. 

I thought you were better than that? 

Or are you "trying to be in the 'hood"? 

 

Ordrazz

 

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23 minutes ago, Ordrazz said:

 

What's your statement got to do with the topic?? 

Don't tell me you have somehow metamorphosized into one of those poor troll like creatures, who just like to comment on my posts for no reason, other to get a reaction.... 

They cant stay on topic either.. 

I thought you were better than that? 

Or are you "trying to be in the 'hood"? 

 

Ordrazz

 

Dude I'm smart enough to know there is not point using logic in an argument with you because it's pointless, and I'm not going to enter into a conversation with you on any other level.

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Oh come Ordrazz, it is gambling. No question about it. Some will have a problem with it, other's won't - whatever, each to their own. I didn't see him making a thread complaining about it, he's just sharing his position, no need to come down so hard.

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51 minutes ago, Ordrazz said:

 

 

 

Welcome to the Nanny State....  where all goody two-shoes will "exercise their right" & complain about things, to ruin it for everyone else, just because:

They feel left out. 

They feel their freedoms are are in danger. 

They feel annoyed. 

They think its immoral, & think everyone else should too. 

They lucked out, so they want to lash out. 

They have an inferiority complex. 

They cant ban casinos & poker machines, cigarettes & alcohol, so they pick on computer games instead. 

Because THEY CAN (& DO)  !!! 

Quick, hide the chess sets & the playing cards, as they too can be used as instruments of gambling, as can bugs racing up walls, as we can place bets on which one reaches the top first! 

We also should ban money, as it is frequently used in gambling as well, & we cant have that, can we ? 

& cars too, we should ban them. 

& the Internet, that can be used for gambling...... 

Why don't we just ban anything that's fun, Oliver Cromwell would be most pleased, we can all be puritans again !! 

:Smile_izmena::Smile_izmena:

Ordrazz

 

 

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Yeah with all the Lootbox controversy you seem to have missed the point, the big problem is that people buy lootboxes to get past a grind they don't want but are given inconsistent rewards out of the lootboxes. Now apply this predatory marketing towards minors under 18yrs old who don't have a developed sense of self & are swayed by peer pressure to get this Lootbox to keep up with friends, this is where the problem comes in & where you are ignoring the very real harm that comes to some people by this practice.

Incidentally there is only 1 Casino in WA and It's illegal to open up another in the state, poker machines are banned in the state apart from said single Casino, Booze is prohibited in many northern parts of Australia and Cigarettes are now socially unacceptable to smoke and are losing popularity at a very high rate, so yeah how about that. Now considering the above gambling is restricted to 18yrs+ and this game is marketed to all ages means either the games rating needs to change or the games mechanisms need to change. Also please don't forget Australia has one of the worst gambling problems in the world, something that you seem to find fun...Damm that nanny state

And if you ever want a career change I recommend becoming a Child Social Worker you seem to have the integrity needed for the job.

Ps.The funny thing is that under the ERSB guidelines what Lootboxes are constitutes gambling and requires an Adult rating but due to lobbying by their benifactors (eg, EA) they are refusing to declare it as gambling.

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these issue is came from AAA full price game stupidly decide to pick a free-to-play model game business 

but WoWs is not the case

first, you can't buy container with real money

only way to earn it is via XP that came from playing game.

sure premium account can earn xp faster but game still limit only 3 container a day which is not that hard to get it via vanilla play anyway

so, in term of container, WoW is safe from these law suit

and most importent part is WoWs if free-to-play game, so no one mind about business model much. people know that WG have to make money some how so they most likely to let it go (as long as you can't buy container with real money)

 

 

but a Christmas box??? ..... yeah.... that really gonna fall in new gambling terms for game

that's why I never buy it.

if I were to spend real money, I have to know EXACTLY about what I'm gonna get, not a random stuff.

(I hate CV, if I open X'box and got premium CV and can't change back to doubloon, I'll tear my face off)

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Then god help every lucky dips you see in shows, school fetes, fairs & charities & fundraisers, because that can be interpreted as gambling too! 

Pay a dollar & hope to get something good... same principle! 

Looks like the nannies are already firmly rooted. 

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3 hours ago, Ordrazz said:

Looks like the nannies are already firmly rooted. 

You're right of course, who would want to live in a terrible nanny state.  What we really want is to live in a place where many thousands of people die from completely preventable smoking and drinking related illness, and where pokies and other gambling means that many people can't eat and will die in poverty and misery.  Maybe we could really get rid of the nanny state and remove all those annoying regulations so people could once again be free to drive drunk, put asbestos all over their houses and not vaccinate their kids.  I guess we could only dream of this utopia.  /s

Perhaps though you could realise that although a 'nanny state' might impinge slightly on your ability to do whatever you like, the vast majority of these societal rules are actually there to basically limit human misery and make life better for all.

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16 hours ago, PGM991 said:

these issue is came from AAA full price game stupidly decide to pick a free-to-play model game business 

but WoWs is not the case

first, you can't buy container with real money

only way to earn it is via XP that came from playing game.

sure premium account can earn xp faster but game still limit only 3 container a day which is not that hard to get it via vanilla play anyway

so, in term of container, WoW is safe from these law suit

and most importent part is WoWs if free-to-play game, so no one mind about business model much. people know that WG have to make money some how so they most likely to let it go (as long as you can't buy container with real money)

 

 

but a Christmas box??? ..... yeah.... that really gonna fall in new gambling terms for game

that's why I never buy it.

if I were to spend real money, I have to know EXACTLY about what I'm gonna get, not a random stuff.

(I hate CV, if I open X'box and got premium CV and can't change back to doubloon, I'll tear my face off)

Both 2017 and 2018 Xmas crates have a list of possible prem, none of which includes a CV.

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16 hours ago, PGM991 said:

but a Christmas box??? ..... yeah.... that really gonna fall in new gambling terms for game

that's why I never buy it.

if I were to spend real money, I have to know EXACTLY about what I'm gonna get, not a random stuff.

(I hate CV, if I open X'box and got premium CV and can't change back to doubloon, I'll tear my face off)

The problem is not us grown men who can control our spending, it's mostly the kids .

While loot boxes game of chance might not be equivilant to playing a hand of poker, it definitely stimulates the same part of the brain. This is what makes it gambling. It's an addictive form of entertainment that can be destructive, and it's marketed to weak minded people and children. That's a predatory business model, and it should be branded as such.

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Gee, I didn't know there were so many grinches on here.... looks like I should put on my brown clothes & pointy hat, & just be a souless pleb..... & not spend any more on these "evil wicked, gambling Christmas boxes", as it making me & all the other poor suffering people, into gamblers!!!!!  :fish_nerv::Smile_ohmy::Smile_ohmy::Smile_ohmy:

For shame folks, buying the Christmas boxes like this, participating in an evil form of gambling, how utterly naughty, bad, wicked, to do something like this!!    :fish_glass:

 

Does this make everyone feel better??? 

Ordrazz

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23 hours ago, keskparane said:

Dude I'm smart enough to know there is not point using logic in an argument with you because it's pointless, and I'm not going to enter into a conversation with you on any other level.

Well then, if you are so superior, why did you even bother with your first, non topic related post? 

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3 hours ago, Ribbon_chan said:

The problem is not us grown men who can control our spending, it's mostly the kids .

well, kids that have free access to credit card have their parents to blame.

if parents dont teach their kids the value and power of money properly. they would fail in life one way or the other

 

I read news about one 17 year old spend 7600 USD on FIFA card. and told his dad, he doesnt know its using real money.

the first thing pop in my mind, is that kids obviusly been lying his ass to save himself from wrath of his dad.

the notion for 17 year old gamer dont know in game microtransaction was is ridiculus. 

 

its understandable to protect pre-teens and kids from predatory practice, but for teens to lack common sense on how to handle money is failure in customer side

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49 minutes ago, humusz said:

well, kids that have free access to credit card have their parents to blame.

if parents dont teach their kids the value and power of money properly. they would fail in life one way or the other

 

I read news about one 17 year old spend 7600 USD on FIFA card. and told his dad, he doesnt know its using real money.

the first thing pop in my mind, is that kids obviusly been lying his ass to save himself from wrath of his dad.

the notion for 17 year old gamer dont know in game microtransaction was is ridiculus. 

 

its understandable to protect pre-teens and kids from predatory practice, but for teens to lack common sense on how to handle money is failure in customer side

it's not about kid spending vast money, it's about kid get 'addicted' to game of chance.

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4 hours ago, PGM991 said:

it's not about kid spending vast money, it's about kid get 'addicted' to game of chance.

snake and ladder, monopoly, uno, mtg, game of life, D&D, yugioh, Battleship board game, playing cards even janken were game of chance

and they were can be addicting in their own right.

 

its not until they played with real wager it become real problem

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Meanwhile, WHO plans to include gaming addiction as a mental health disorder this year.

https://icd.who.int/dev11/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f1448597234

I reckon we should stop playing online games lest we get addicted. :Smile_trollface:

 

In my eyes, the loot boxes are definitely gambling if you purchase them in the hopes of striking out lucky to get a ship or anything rare out of it. That is why I advise others against buying it for that purpose and recommend that they only gift the boxes, as they are Santa's Gifts in name after all. I see no issue with buying the boxes for fun, as I'm doing so for my clan members by giving them away in contests. And if your gift recipient strikes out lucky, you can be happy for them (if you get salty over it, you're missing the point of the gifting exercise completely).

 

Spread the cheer and avoid the trap of gambling. Go gift someone a box or two.

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WHO guys are probably doing it for kpi. Need to show they are working on something to get a raise. I wouldnt put my bets on them on non critical issues.

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9 hours ago, Lowyat said:

.......  I wouldnt put my bets on them on non critical issues.

Pun intended?

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I thinks its disingenuous of wargaming to claim that the money value of every christmas container is "guaranteed". Sure giving me an amount of signals or camos they've arbitrarily defined as worth 5 USD "guarantees" me the value of the 5$ I spent on it, but I did not and never would have made the decision to spend 5$ on camos or signals to begin with. 

The only reason I buy these containers is because i want a premium ship. Its akin to giving me 5$ of dirt from the roadside and telling me theyve given me guaranteed value for my money. Never wanted to spend money on dirt. 

Is it outright dishonest ? Not really. But its disingenuous and scam adjacent. 

Thats why I learned my lesson from last year and just bought doubloons on discount and purchased discounted premium ships from the tech tree. Proud owner of Scharnhorst and Guilio Cesare as of yesterday. Love both ships.

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I worked in the gambling industry for a long time and punters never win.   A long time on this planet and I still gamble on a lot of things.  Horses, dogs, pokies, casinos.   I accept loss as a part of it because in the past I took fair whack of money off a lot of people who thought they would win.

I came out ahead on the crates last year by a mile.    I don't think I made a profit this year.      I virtually tripled my investment on NA.     Its pure and simple gambling.   There is no guaranteed return with the crates. 

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