16 Puteralanun Member 219 posts 3,946 battles Report post #1 Posted December 3, 2017 Is it feasible? Just concentrate on TB and DB loadout only. I think many ships, especially at high tier, already has a very formidable AA suite anyway. Fighter only complicate matters. And seem's most CV players are not very fond of AS loadout anyway. 1 Rwasknum reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
336 [LNA] legionary2099 [LNA] Member 1,737 posts 10,997 battles Report post #2 Posted December 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Puteralanun said: Is it feasible? Just concentrate on TB and DB loadout only. I think many ships, especially at high tier, already has a very formidable AA suite anyway. Fighter only complicate matters. And seem's most CV players are not very fond of AS loadout anyway. No , you get it wrong. What I and maybe some CV hardcore want is not the removal of FT at all. What we want is a sufficient , small number of FT. It should be a limited resource and a side focus , not the main focus of the show. It should supplement other plane type , not the other way around. AS loadout break that modus operandi by heavily focus on shooting down planes , which is not the main concern of the game. It is also boring , antagonizing both cv players in a match and achieve little DIRECT result ? What's the point in getting the sky clean when your potato will lose it anyway ? It is a mean to and end atmost. Fighter main job : - Meatshield (honarary mention) - Plug gap in AA defence - Deterrance against strike - Scout With high tier super level of AA screen , there exist a small number of gaps or ships that do not get such cover and FT job is to plug that hole Again , meatshielding and fighting other FT is to neutralize the defence on the spot Scouting should also be a concern with FT inability to provide direct action against ships ( atleast for now) As you can see , some jobs can only be done a FT , so CV needs some FT , but not too much to take over the whole air defence of the fleet. Air Supremacy is a skill that many , including me want to be removed from the game and replace with an active or more balanced skill. +1 FT/ 1 DB make or break games and is just too influential due to in game mechanics. We need fixed squadron numbers for the current mechanic . ( 6 US FT vs 8 IJN FT is better than 7 US FT vs 10 IJN FT , you get the picture , numbers mean alot ) 1 Lebran_Erika reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
290 [DDF] User_1145141919810 Member 1,278 posts 11,503 battles Report post #3 Posted December 3, 2017 I love AS,after get Clear Sky,I go spotting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
74 [VEU] IndyChanKawaii Member 381 posts 10,551 battles Report post #4 Posted December 3, 2017 Well if you remove "fighters" from the title I'd agree with you Surface ships players hate CV as much as CV players hate going against AS loadout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
245 [BRU] Mingfang47 Super Tester 2,725 posts Report post #5 Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) So how you gonna defend yourself from carrier sniping then? Oh sure, ask a teammate to cover you. If no teammate to cover, what you gonna do? Go back to forums & ask to bring back fighters because "I can't defend myself & my teammates don't often give me cover"? As much I hate to check the player for their battle record, but your battle record explained the very reason for this humorous proposition. Saying that fighter plane complicates matters, then you only barely understand the gameplay of the carrier with that battle record you are carrying. Edited December 3, 2017 by Mingfang47 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
46 ShadoPulse Member 671 posts 1,509 battles Report post #6 Posted December 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, LunaStinger said: Well if you remove "fighters" from the title I'd agree with you Surface ships players hate CV as much as CV players hate going against AS loadout. I play the Cleveland and I can say I love carriers. Planes are a delicacy for American cruisers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
108 [POI] stratmania Super Tester 1,057 posts 9,573 battles Report post #7 Posted December 3, 2017 Sounds like someone doesn't know how to use fighters. 1 icy_phoenix reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
336 [LNA] legionary2099 [LNA] Member 1,737 posts 10,997 battles Report post #8 Posted December 3, 2017 16 minutes ago, stratmania said: Sounds like someone doesn't know how to use fighters. Maybe you should get him some hardcore hands on lesson Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
315 [PATEN] Onlinegamer Video Contributor 2,327 posts 11,214 battles Report post #9 Posted December 3, 2017 if remove HVAR+Tiny Tim F8F 800kg on B7A 2000lbs on BTD-1 HVAR+Tinytim+1000lbs on AD-2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 world_of_war_battle Member 33 posts 1,305 battles Report post #10 Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) wargaming wants game balance so any ship can go 1 vs 1 (including CVs) you sound like you want more strike groups but it won't happen, because if there are 100 planes in the air on both sides that meant 200 aircrafts. wargaming might burn down it's server and you will break you computer or use too much internet I think wargaming does want game balance , because it the real world simply a cv without essort could tear up a fleet of battleships , cruisers, or destroyers. look up in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_raid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ten-Go In these battles no warships have AA strong enough to tear apart hundreds of aircrafts .So wargaming has maximized the effectiveness of AA Defense it is true also that BB vs DD they say dd will win? I can only say it isn't weird but annoying Edited July 31, 2018 by world_of_war_battle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 world_of_war_battle Member 33 posts 1,305 battles Report post #11 Posted July 31, 2018 I guess you just hate the randomness of damage caused by your FT or maybe you think that kind of air duel isn't using any skill? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
27 [QOKKA] BravaZulu296 Member 352 posts Report post #12 Posted July 31, 2018 The CV rework is in 2 months anyway, so there's no point changing anything now, If your frustrated just find another ship to play for the time being Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,790 [SGC] icy_phoenix Super Tester 7,897 posts 8,143 battles Report post #13 Posted July 31, 2018 Hmm... So basically you cannot multitask... Not a class for you then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
281 [CLAY] Grygus_Triss [CLAY] Member 601 posts 6,701 battles Report post #14 Posted August 1, 2018 On 03/12/2017 at 8:16 PM, Puteralanun said: I think many ships, especially at high tier, already has a very formidable AA suite anyway. There are still many ships which do not have good AA. IJN DDs for example (expecting “IJN DD ar garbage, don’t play” comment). Fighters are the only reason why CVs do not keep their planes hovering over the caps all match to spot DDs, this already in a meta where DDs are more reluctant to cap. And even decent BB AA cannot defend against everything, especially after a few volleys from a Conquerer knocking out AA. And if you’re expecting ally support, AA ships sailing with you in randoms? Remember which server you are playing on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
28 [ANZAF] Puggsley Member 118 posts 3,072 battles Report post #15 Posted August 1, 2018 Impressive Necro. Fighters are fabulous scouts and I appreciate having a good cv player on my side. I'm a poor multi-tasker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites