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Montana vs GK vs Yamato

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8 minutes ago, fighter9374 said:

Lets be honest. If a yamato has their sights set on you you're screwed unless you can find a way to block their sight or shells fast.

That being said having the best ship doesn't mean you're guaranteed to do well. It still takes practice and skill to make the best out of the potential in a ship. Learn from the tiers before (T8 North Carolina and T9 Iowa) and you'll do just fine when you get there

 

I honestly disagree. Montana can bounce Yamato shells without any problem if you do not sit braodside or bow in. Montana is not mean't to be sitting still. That's what Yamato is for. So from my experience of 160 games in Montana, no, Yamato can look at me all day, all he will get is some penetration damage which I will repair back eventually while my team's cruisers will remain harmless from 460mm of doom. If you think, as a BB, you are supposed to hit enemy BBs first, you are playing the class wrong. How shall we determine if a ship is good or not? We will look at how well it performs what it is supposed to do.

 

And yes, you are correct, we are talking about ship's potential. There is no guarantee that people will do better using the best ships. All T10 BBs are somewhat closely balanced. Montana is better if my opinion for Kiting meta as we have in SEA. On other servers, this may not be the case.

 

Besides, no other ship in the game can beat this booty. Ofcourse Yamato would be looking at this :D

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LEL..... if you want best ship....

 

GO GET GADJAH MADA!

QUIIICK! BEFORE WG NERF IT!!!

 

with the unlimited smoke works, and lelel gun, you are basically a Khabarovsk at T7...

Torpedo? did Gadjah Mada need Torpedo?

 

but if you want best T10 ship..... GO GET RUSSIAN DD!

 

 


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Just now, Rwasknum said:

LEL..... if you want best ship....

 

GO GET GADJAH MADA!

QUIIICK! BEFORE WG NERF IT!!!

 

with the unlimited smoke works, and lelel gun, you are basically a Khabarovsk at T7...

Torpedo? did Gadjah Mada need Torpedo?

 

but if you want best T10 ship..... GO GET RUSSIAN DD!

 

 

 

Do you really have hard time understanding the context of the thread?

There, written in big font, in case you have hard time reading it as well.


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For solo play, Montana is definitely the best. GK doesnt fare well against the abundance of kiting t10 cruisers in the meta, while yamato is way too static and hard to reposition. Conquerer is....eh no comment on this since I've never played it nor have I faced it enough to make any informed comparison. As far as i can tell its HE reliance nets a lot of damage but cant really punish the more important ships like cruisers and dds nearly as hard as a well played montana.
Also, yamato actually cant 1v1 a montana given both of them are equally good players. As soon as the montana has closed in to within 10 km of the yamato with at least half his hp intact, the yamato is as good as dead, unless the yamato somehow manages to turn 180 degrees and kite away
 


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On 12/2/2017 at 1:29 PM, Nishthedestroyer said:

So should I go Zao or Minotaur 

Since u said cruisers are favoured these days and also I love both line 

And sorry for jumping topics

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Just now, Hey_Potato said:
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i wouldnt use flammu as a good example of how top tier CL/CAs play here if i were you, when he streamed here in asia he failed to play to the meta whatsoever even in the less campy(high tiers are MUCH more campy) low-mid tiers and pretty much dissed the entirety of asia to be "poor players" in genera because of itl, and well, the SEA/EU match-up sure proved him wrong...

 

EU meta is not ASIA meta, dont compare the 2


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2 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

i wouldnt use flammu as a good example of how top tier CL/CAs play here if i were you, when he streamed here in asia he failed to play to the meta whatsoever even in the less campy(high tiers are MUCH more campy) low-mid tiers and pretty much dissed the entirety of asia to be "poor players" in genera because of itl, and well, the SEA/EU match-up sure proved him wrong...

 

EU meta is not ASIA meta, dont compare the 2

lol i am using flamu invisiring smoke tactic... it didnt work... everybody running away and ended up creating lemming train on my cap... making my team lose other cap


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Just now, Rwasknum said:

lol i am using flamu invisiring smoke tactic... it didnt work... everybody running away and ended up creating lemming train on my cap... making my team lose other cap

invisifireing, smoke,caps

 

what version of the game are you playing on that you'd think that smokecamping is a good idea these days


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Just now, drakon233 said:

invisifireing, smoke,caps

 

what version of the game are you playing on that you'd think that smokecamping is a good idea these days

 

 

i am refer to this video, everyone rush and flamu just keep LOLOLOL in the smoke while enemy is keep rushing to the smoke...

in my case, ENEMY s not give sheet about rush, when they got phew-phew, everyone running away.....

 

and the most stupid my team is pursuit them..... and the most most most stupid... the other ship from another cap is join to pursuit the enemy running away...

the problem is, its create lemming train and abandon other cap.....


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7 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

i wouldnt use flammu as a good example of how top tier CL/CAs play here if i were you, when he streamed here in asia he failed to play to the meta whatsoever even in the less campy(high tiers are MUCH more campy) low-mid tiers and pretty much dissed the entirety of asia to be "poor players" in genera because of itl, and well, the SEA/EU match-up sure proved him wrong...

 

EU meta is not ASIA meta, dont compare the 2

3 minutes ago, Rwasknum said:

lol i am using flamu invisiring smoke tactic... it didnt work... everybody running away and ended up creating lemming train on my cap... making my team lose other cap

You sure can learn pretty much from his streaming as a general guide for a lot of newbies. Map awareness, terrain & positioning. Not asking you to follow 100% blindly as I do agree that EU meta and Asia is pretty much different. 

@ Sitting in smoke tactic firing is much dependent on your team mates to spot for you.

I regretted not watching those streams when I started to play WOWs and thought what the heck just learn to play the game as it goes. Well the consequences of that is getting a 42% WR :Smile_facepalm:. Learning from mistake, the more I watch and learn, eventually got me a whooping 55% WR solo.

Started playing usn DD as main then BB. Never in a million years I thought of playing CA as I really hated the line. But now my main is playing CA. Play the ship that suite you most.


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2 minutes ago, Hey_Potato said:

 

You sure can learn pretty much from his streaming as a general guide for a lot of newbies. Map awareness, terrain & positioning. Not asking you to follow 100% blindly as I do agree that EU meta and Asia is pretty much different. 

@ Sitting in smoke tactic firing is much dependent on your team mates to spot for you.

I regretted not watching those streams when I started to play WOWs and thought what the heck just learn to play the game as it goes. Well the consequences of that is getting a 42% WR :Smile_facepalm:. Learning from mistake, the more I watch and learn, eventually got me a whooping 55% WR solo.

Started playing usn DD as main then BB. Never in a million years I thought of playing CA as I really hated the line. But now my main is playing CA. Play the ship that suite you most.

frankly i dont think flammu is that good of a player even in terms oh his aim and positioning, he just gets his 2 divmates to babysit him


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1 minute ago, drakon233 said:

frankly i dont think flammu is that good of a player even in terms oh his aim and positioning, he just gets his 2 divmates to babysit him

I think you 2 are using 2 different criteria to measure a player. Players who are solo badasses arent necessarily the best for an organized team. Teamplay is an important parameters that asia all too often forget. Even though we are all strangers, we are a team , atleast try to work together. What im seeing here is Asia meta of using teammates to fatten oneself. He might be average soloing, but what make him tick is the cohesion with his teammates. You dont get that often.

The game isnt about being a martyr hero sacrificing for the team, it is about a team trying to make it to victory atleast in theory.

Dont jump 2 different criteria together and call him poor buddy, numbers are strength in its own right. Just like Atlanta JK pee pee you shout 


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22 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

frankly i dont think flammu is that good of a player even in terms oh his aim and positioning, he just gets his 2 divmates to babysit him

i agree on this one, flamu missed its shell very often. the weird thing is his luckyness..... few salvo got fire chance... and enemy team is very dumbasses...

 

flamu hit 100 shell = 13 fire caused

me hit 120 shell = 8 fire caused, same ship, same flag.... same DE

 

well, did you know.... i am better have ultra noob skill but get insane luck in exchange!

Flamu luck = Flamu GG

 

who need skill if you get insane luck?

 

17 minutes ago, legionary2099 said:

What im seeing here is Asia meta of using teammates to fatten oneself.

lol, including STOP FIRING at enemy to get KS....

i dont hate KS, but enemy escape is really somewhat i cannt tolerable.....

 

or the most stupid is follow the lemming train to do get kill


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29 minutes ago, legionary2099 said:

Dont jump 2 different criteria together and call him poor buddy, numbers are strength in its own right. Just like Atlanta JK pee pee you shout 

i know, but there's a difference between "teamwork" and "babysitting"


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Wasn't flamu the one who said "Montana Who?"

 

These streamers will literally do anything to attract viewers, which is not a bad thing. This reminds of all those IFHE fail attempts of Notser, and those flamu videos mocking Notser. They got huge publicity through those videos, good or bad.

 

I'm sure good players can make any ship work. For example it would be pointless to ask someone like haku about which battleship is the best, he is a monster in all of them.

 

Just compare the server stats, use wows-numbers to filter out top 50%, 25%, 10% or 5% players to check that on different skill levels. Look for the parameters that suit your definition of being a good ship. Damage, winrate, accuracy, survival, average kills, k/d.

 

You also play the game, like many others. Form your own opinion.


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7 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

I'm sure good players can make any ship work. For example it would be pointless to ask someone like haku about which battleship is the best, he is a monster in all of them.

funny thing is, i chatted with him about it before, and he did have rankings foe each of them, based on logical analysis & expirence in them. it's very true that the players makes the ships, but even then you still need to keep in mind that not all sheeps were created equal

 


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The point is, you have to play ships to their strengths. That's why when people come and whine "ooo this ship so bad gets bow cit by that other ship", the first thing I want to tell him "..and you suck".

 

It's all numbers, you know which ship can do what. If you put yourself in a position that your opponent can play to his strength, that means it was not the ship that failed you, you failed the ship.

 

Ofc desperate moments are exceptions and thus cannot be examples.


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19 minutes ago, icy_phoenix said:

The point is, you have to play ships to their strengths. That's why when people come and whine "ooo this ship so bad gets bow cit by that other ship", the first thing I want to tell him "..and you suck".

 

It's all numbers, you know which ship can do what. If you put yourself in a position that your opponent can play to his strength, that means it was not the ship that failed you, you failed the ship.

 

Ofc desperate moments are exceptions and thus cannot be examples.

i still remember telling this dumb montana player here to angle his armor belt because he was whineing about "OP overmatch" from yamatos

 

he said, "you obviously havnt played montana " or sth like that, i had more battles on my montana then on his whole account


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2 hours ago, drakon233 said:

i still remember telling this dumb montana player here to angle his armor belt because he was whineing about "OP overmatch" from yamatos

 

he said, "you obviously havnt played montana " or sth like that, i had more battles on my montana then on his whole account

Well if Yamato player is decent, he can still aim the nose or softer upper belt for decent pen damage.

at bellow 15km its like guarantee minimum 5k dmg

not all yamato player can be baited to shoot the belt


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5 hours ago, humusz said:

Well if Yamato player is decent, he can still aim the nose or softer upper belt for decent pen damage.

at bellow 15km its like guarantee minimum 5k dmg

not all yamato player can be baited to shoot the belt

no, but with WASD at 13km~ you can make it very hard to hit your upper belt/nose/back if you WASD, fun fact, a montana angled just at the angle where it can fire all it's guns is basically low damage target for yamatos

 


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47 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

no, but with WASD at 13km~ you can make it very hard to hit your upper belt/nose/back if you WASD, fun fact, a montana angled just at the angle where it can fire all it's guns is basically low damage target for yamatos

 

if montana showing stern sure,

if its bow in, its better trade for yamato though


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The whole point of the Yamato is the overmatch which imo is mainly useful against cruisers, it's a lot easier to just shoot the superstructure than to try to hit the bow/stern.

In a BB fight, Montana will win out simply because it has more guns and better turret traverse but that's not the point of the Yamato.


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