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On behalf of the players in Australia and New Zealand: WG, What the hell??

After all the complaints you've received from us surrounding the timings for Clan Battles, you gone and done the same thing again, making the Naval Force 9 tournament at a time when the bulk of us can only give maybe 1 of the nights any attention.

You want to attract people to your game, but right now, you're doing a damn good job of pushing people away. A large portion of my clan don't even play anymore because of your continued refusal to listen to and acknowledge us. We know there are a couple of Mods in our corner trying to help us, which is appreciated, but you're not helping yourselves. 

You really need to start listening to, and catering to, the other timezone of the server, not just the one. 

This is infuriating beyond belief.

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I'm with this guy. My old clan hasn't bothered playing CW because the timezone is just rubbish for us. What's my old clan? PANZACs. That's 20-40 people not playing CW.

 

Disappointed.

 

Noppers.

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I have said it before, but i'll say it again.

 

Give Clans a "Time Allowance" pool to play with. So instead of giving a fix time per schedule as per current Clan Battle times, allow Clans to battle at their desired times. Give each Clan 14hrs (or whatever times) per week, and allow each clan the ability to only battle the same opponent twice. Any unspent time is then forfeited and reset for the following week.  

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Yeah I've been tossing and turning about leaving warships, CB is why I came back and the 1 night a week and absurd time is making me have a constant reoccuring evaluation of continuing to play...

 

This is just a further demonstration of the hate for the ANZ player-base

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16 hours ago, Kamanah said:

Give Clans a "Time Allowance" pool to play with. So instead of giving a fix time per schedule as per current Clan Battle times, allow Clans to battle at their desired times. Give each Clan 14hrs (or whatever times) per week, and allow each clan the ability to only battle the same opponent twice. Any unspent time is then forfeited and reset for the following week.  

You're entirely missing the point of why they restrict times - it's to get as many clans on at once to give the MM pool as big a selection of opponents as possible.  I'm confident they'd love to have the numbers to just let everyone play whenever they like (like ranked battles) but this doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.

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49 minutes ago, Moggytwo said:

You're entirely missing the point of why they restrict times - it's to get as many clans on at once to give the MM pool as big a selection of opponents as possible.  I'm confident they'd love to have the numbers to just let everyone play whenever they like (like ranked battles) but this doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.

 

You're not wrong, but at the same time their chosen approach clearly isn't working. Rather than being forced into a time-slot that is way too late at night, Australian and New Zealand clans just aren't playing at all, so it's not actually improving the pool size anyway. 

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6 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

You're entirely missing the point of why they restrict times - it's to get as many clans on at once to give the MM pool as big a selection of opponents as possible.  I'm confident they'd love to have the numbers to just let everyone play whenever they like (like ranked battles) but this doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.

 

Actually i'm not missing the point.

 

The point is that in order for Australia and especially NZ players is that the hours are unreasonable for them to play. Having a fixed time for CB when a good portion of the player base is winding down for the night (with family) or in New Zealand's case... in bed. 

 

Obviously for Asia players its all good with the scheduled time, it... for the most part doesn't interrupt with real life commitments. Now to make times more appealing for our Aus and NZ friends the time would need to be rolled back like 4 or 5hrs.... which then obviously creates issues for the Asian player base because of work, studies etc.

 

This is why i said that allowing a set amount of hours per week to each Clan to play at "their" optimal times. So in theory Asian Clans will be against Asian Clans and Aus against NZ Clans, but when it comes to a weekend, perhaps its a little easier to then all battle together.

 

I'm suspecting that there are a large portion of Aus/NZ players/Clans that are missing out on this, so what WG have done has somewhat alienated a decent amount of player base who cannot either participate at all or is only limited to an hour or 2 due to how late it is for those players. This does reflects the reality of the situation.

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29 minutes ago, Kamanah said:

Actually i'm not missing the point.

 

The point is that in order for Australia and especially NZ players is that the hours are unreasonable for them to play. Having a fixed time for CB when a good portion of the player base is winding down for the night (with family) or in New Zealand's case... in bed. 

 

Obviously for Asia players its all good with the scheduled time, it... for the most part doesn't interrupt with real life commitments. Now to make times more appealing for our Aus and NZ friends the time would need to be rolled back like 4 or 5hrs.... which then obviously creates issues for the Asian player base because of work, studies etc.

 

This is why i said that allowing a set amount of hours per week to each Clan to play at "their" optimal times. So in theory Asian Clans will be against Asian Clans and Aus against NZ Clans, but when it comes to a weekend, perhaps its a little easier to then all battle together.

 

I'm suspecting that there are a large portion of Aus/NZ players/Clans that are missing out on this, so what WG have done has somewhat alienated a decent amount of player base who cannot either participate at all or is only limited to an hour or 2 due to how late it is for those players. This does reflects the reality of the situation.

You're acting like they would want to alienate some of their players, which is absurd.  They didn't just pick this time slot to upset Aus/NZ players, they picked it because that is the slot that allows the most clans on this server to play at once.  There are far more clans playing in the GMT +8 time zone than in the +10/11/12 time zones.  Now I think they could extend it a little, but your idea just stems from a lack of understanding of how the clan battle system works.

Here's a quote from WG devs on the subject: "However reality of task at hand dictates that we look at cold hard data to understand the peak time for concurrent clan players being online. The fact is we need to launch the mode in the the most efficient way we can, and the numbers suggest that the proposed time intervals will work the best for the bulk of our audience. There are several factors at play here: increased stress on the matchmaker, reducing queue times, preventing abuse, and rewarding the best teamwork and skills alike."

So to actually deliver a quality product, they have to restrict it.  I'm confident they're looking at the numbers and trying to work out if they can extend the hours, which I think they probably will at some point (although possibly not this season).  Your idea however is quite simply never going to happen.

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6 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

You're acting like they would want to alienate some of their players, which is absurd.  They didn't just pick this time slot to upset Aus/NZ players, they picked it because that is the slot that allows the most clans on this server to play at once.  There are far more clans playing in the GMT +8 time zone than in the +10/11/12 time zones.  Now I think they could extend it a little, but your idea just stems from a lack of understanding of how the clan battle system works.

Here's a quote from WG devs on the subject: "However reality of task at hand dictates that we look at cold hard data to understand the peak time for concurrent clan players being online. The fact is we need to launch the mode in the the most efficient way we can, and the numbers suggest that the proposed time intervals will work the best for the bulk of our audience. There are several factors at play here: increased stress on the matchmaker, reducing queue times, preventing abuse, and rewarding the best teamwork and skills alike."

So to actually deliver a quality product, they have to restrict it.  I'm confident they're looking at the numbers and trying to work out if they can extend the hours, which I think they probably will at some point (although possibly not this season).  Your idea however is quite simply never going to happen.

 

You're wrong mate, they have alienated us.

Let me ask you which of the following annoys you more:

1. Sorry you aren't going to be able to play CB, your nation and brother nations aren't in the right time zone.

2. We're sorry for the longer queue times and some uneven matchmaking but we felt that including your nation and brother nations was better than excluding them. If you can, try and queue at a later time.

 

It's a pretty simple answer and that's why we're so pissed off. And the thing is the queue times or uneven matches aren't even set in stone, probably would happen, might not.

 

WG chose to exclude us rather than include us.

 

I know so many people who came back to Warships because CB was being implemented, yet on arrival, times were rediculous. And that's ignoring all the other inept decisions such as T10, no CVs, rent-a-ship, small clan sizes etc. Most of those who returned quickly left .

 

Guess what, we can forgive a lot but the timeslot is another classic example of WG not understanding their player-base.

(Surprise! Their player-base is huge variety of peoples and living in all timezones).

 

I always try and imagine how it must be for our Kiwi brothers and sisters... 1am to 4am - that's a complete joke and I know quite a few who just stopped playing as soon as it was announced, it was the last straw and frankly I don't blame them.

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It's money that keeps this game going, it's no secret. I know I'm not alone in saying I've spent my last dollar on this game because of this TZ fiasco. If WG are comfortable with that there's not a whole lot we can do but let them know and hope they think better of it.

I'm not holding my breath.

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14 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

You're entirely missing the point of why they restrict times - it's to get as many clans on at once to give the MM pool as big a selection of opponents as possible.  I'm confident they'd love to have the numbers to just let everyone play whenever they like (like ranked battles) but this doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.

No mate, Wargaming are missing the point: if they want people in this region to continue playing their game, they need to improve their customer communications, or they will lose players who have been supporting the game for a looooong time, and they will fail to acquire new players as their reputation in this region nosedives due to what appears an uncaring, or perhaps even arrogant, attitude towards players in these regions

We are telling Wargaming this is the situation. 

I have tried to ask for information - not even asking them to announce an actual change, just that they know our concerns and are working to address them

But Wargaming apparently can't even do that. Frankly that is pathetic, for a supplier who aims to be best in genre, or even just good in genre. 

If Wargaming don't get that they need to consider and communicate with players in this region, then Wargaming will fail in this effort in this region,

That only my opinion.

But it's not just my opinion, is it? It's the opinion of hundreds of players in this region. And Wargaming have had experiences in this region which ought to show them that they now need to do more than say and do nothing at all - which is what they are doing, leaving their job of communicating with customers up to unpaid volunteers who hav eno information except "have faith, be patient, something will happen, trust us"

Now I can't do any more, except wait a bit longer, to give Wargaming a fair and reasonable chance to demonstrate they are neither uncaring nor arrogant

If they don't take the chance offered, it is a matter for Wargaming

If I don't like their response, it is a matter for me. And also for the others who, like me, will not continue to wait and wait, while the same errors are made over and over again in this region

The ball's in Wargaming's court now. Sadly, they had the chance to say something to us, and chose to say "we don't care about you - here is a Tournament we have created, with exactly the same problems you are complaining about for Clan Battles. Oh, and we won't bother saying anything to you about your problems in these time zones - so go ahead and stop using our game if you want us to consider you, because we won't be doing that"

If I am misreading this, Wargaming have now got another chance to correct this misunderstanding. 

If I am not misreading this, Wargaming will say and do nothing in the next two weeks, except leave you guys in this forum to try and staunch the flow away from the game.

I don't envy your position in this - and get that you guys are going all you can - but this is not complaining about your efforts (which are appreciated), it is about the principals who you are representing, failing badly to satisfy their customers, over and over again.

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21 hours ago, Moggytwo said:

You're acting like they would want to alienate some of their players, which is absurd.  They didn't just pick this time slot to upset Aus/NZ players, they picked it because that is the slot that allows the most clans on this server to play at once.  There are far more clans playing in the GMT +8 time zone than in the +10/11/12 time zones.  Now I think they could extend it a little, but your idea just stems from a lack of understanding of how the clan battle system works.

Here's a quote from WG devs on the subject: "However reality of task at hand dictates that we look at cold hard data to understand the peak time for concurrent clan players being online. The fact is we need to launch the mode in the the most efficient way we can, and the numbers suggest that the proposed time intervals will work the best for the bulk of our audience. There are several factors at play here: increased stress on the matchmaker, reducing queue times, preventing abuse, and rewarding the best teamwork and skills alike."

So to actually deliver a quality product, they have to restrict it.  I'm confident they're looking at the numbers and trying to work out if they can extend the hours, which I think they probably will at some point (although possibly not this season).  Your idea however is quite simply never going to happen.

Surely there could be a better time slot for SEA that is more inclusive. You could span New Zealand to New Dehli in a 3 hour slot with 3pm - 1:30am. That's 3pm - 6pm in New Dehli, and 10:30pm - 1:30am in New Zealand. Doesn't that cover pretty much the entire SEA server region? So for the GMT+ 8'ers that's 7:30pm - 10:30pm 5:30pm - 8:30pm (thanks @Moggytwo for marking my maths :Smile_hiding:), still seems like a perfectly reasonable time slot from my perspective.

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4 hours ago, keskparane said:

However reality of task at hand dictates that we look at cold hard data to understand the peak time for concurrent clan players being online. The fact is we need to launch the mode in the the most efficient way we can, and the numbers suggest that the proposed time intervals will work the best for the bulk of our audience. There are several factors at play here: increased stress on the matchmaker, reducing queue times, preventing abuse, and rewarding the best teamwork and skills alike

Fair enough ... and thank you very much for allowing us to see this quote. Some of the reasons seem quite nonsensical to me, such as "rewarding the best teamwork and skills alike" (really, that has nothing to do with the time restriction at all - it's like the time we were told WG don't want us to get "exhausted" playing clan battles). To be fair, perhaps there is sense in there, but it has been lost in translation and I just don't get it all all. But the phrase "baffling with BS"  does spring to mind.

In any case, if Wargaming choose to make the most awaited part of the game essentially unplayable to people in our region, until they can get enough numbers to make these factors work for Wargaming (and that seems to be the bottom line, despite all the red herrings being thrown around this issue)? 

I have no problem with that - it is a matter for Wargaming. As I have said many times now. I don't want them to change what works for them in technical terms

And I can understand the difficulty in communicating an unpopular message to people like me, because there is a strong chance that we will choose to leave the game entirely. But if they do nothing, that chance is converted to a certainty. Because the failure of Wargaming to address regional concerns over quite a few years now, whilst at the same time failing to communicate about those concerns to users in the region (ie just as we have experienced and are still experiencing now with clan battles) just about guarantees that result for me and many I know, if this is the best we get, a post like yours.

Why? Not out of unreasonable dislike of WG or any person who works there. It's because, the main reason clans exist is to play together as a clan, so if we can't do that with WoWs, and we have no idea when we might be able to do that, then we need to look for another platform to socialise together - without rancour in my case - it makes sense, right? 

Some of us, like me, have been waiting patiently for more than TWO YEARS for the clan function to get launched. We all ground our asses off so we could participate. We waiting patiently. Now, as my clan mates depart from the game due to being excluded because of where they live, and as we sit here today  with absolutely no idea when that exclusion might change ... well, from my pov, it is quite simply unreasonable for WG to expect any more patience without some information back to us

I would say that communicating an unpopular message is better than saying nothing at all, after so many have asked for a message. And that is what WG are doing - saying nothing except to launch Tournaments - and that has in fact turned out to be much worse for me and others like me, compared to honestly giving the message that it won't be happening until X happens, which may not be for some time. That honest communication would show WG actually does have some regard for us, and give us a lifeline to keep using the game. In the absence of that honesty, I feel like a spouse who has been beaten one time too many ... if it happens again, I'll be leaving the family home and taking my Elka and Slava records with me ... and I am bloody sure that nobody with any sense of fairness, a reasonably open mind, and access to the facts, would blame me or anyone else who feels the same

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6 hours ago, LargerNeptune3 said:

No mate, Wargaming are missing the point: if they want people in this region to continue playing their game, they need to improve their customer communications, or they will lose players who have been supporting the game for a looooong time, and they will fail to acquire new players as their reputation in this region nosedives due to what appears an uncaring, or perhaps even arrogant, attitude towards players in these regions

We are telling Wargaming this is the situation. 

I have tried to ask for information - not even asking them to announce an actual change, just that they know our concerns and are working to address them

I can't see what is wrong with their communication.  They have said quite clearly here why they set up the CB time frame with the current hours, and that they will continue to do research to work out how they could improve the situation so as many people can play as possible.  Local WG CM's have said they will continue to push for a change if it is possible.

Now what more communication could you want?  Their statement couldn't be any clearer - they will leave the time slot as is while continuing to monitor the clan battles data to see how they can improve it. There is no further communication they could give you that wasn't simply a reiteration of what they previously said.  If they make a decision to change something, they obviously will communicate it straight away.  I don't understand what it is that you don't know already that you want to know, I feel that you're simply being petulant and deliberately obtuse because they haven't said what you want to hear.

 

Surely there could be a better time slot for SEA that is more inclusive. You could span New Zealand to New Dehli in a 3 hour slot with 3pm - 1:30am. That's 3pm - 6pm in New Dehli, and 10:30pm - 1:30am in New Zealand. Doesn't that cover pretty much the entire SEA server region? So for the GMT+ 8'ers that's 7:30pm - 10:30pm, seems like a perfectly reasonable time slot from my perspective..

Your math is wrong, the current slot for GMT+8 is 8-11pm, so obviously 7:30-10:30pm isn't much of a change.  If they changed it to be 10:30pm-1:30am in NZ (GMT+13) then the GMT+8 slot (where the vast majority of players are) would be 5:30-8:30pm.  Clearly this would be untenable for most people and would upset a whole lot more people than the current time zone.  As someone who lives on the east coast of Australia, I would love it if they extended the time zone forward an hour or two, but I am also realistic about WG having to set up the play time to get the maximum number of people playing.  Don't forget that Australians and even more so New Zealanders are in the minority of players on the server.  Unfortunately when you have limited clans to fill the match maker and a server that covers about eight time zones this causes play time problems for some people.

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48 minutes ago, Moggytwo said:

I can't see what is wrong with their communication.  They have said quite clearly here why they set up the CB time frame with the current hours, and that they will continue to do research to work out how they could improve the situation so as many people can play as possible.  Local WG CM's have said they will continue to push for a change if it is possible.

Now what more communication could you want? 

Okay. Read my posts and you will see exactly what is the minimum communication that I need. I drafted a press release for Wargaming about this, yesterday in one of my posts. This is about people like me who plan clan activities, wanting to be able to do that ie plan games we are playing with clan mates. We want to know when we can do that with this game. And we are working on behalf of our clan mates. We understand there may be problems caused by player numbers. This is a problem for Wargaming to overcome, in order to provide us with a game we want to play, nor for us to live with because it's hard for Wargaming to solve the problem

So, to be very clear, I want information which tells me two things:

1. this situation WILL change - not "might" change; and

2. a time frame WHEN this situation will change - a hard time line, not an uncertain and unreliable reply like "if there are more players, sometime, maybe, we will look at it and might get back to you, sometime"

I want/need these two things, so I can plan to play with clan mates - many of whom are leaving the game due to not knowing this information.

It is not helpful to me to read a post that tells me WG will think about changing, sometime, maybe. That does not answer 1 or 2

Nor is it helpful to read a post telling me I should know the answer already, and suggesting I am being unreasonable for asking for more information than that provided. That also does not answer 1 or 2.

I am not a fool, nor incapable of reading. And I am not an unreasonable customer - I have supported this game for more than two years without complaints, because I understand developing new products.

But this product is not new anymore, it is quite mature. And what I have read does not provide the information we are all seeking, or we would not be here asking for information

So, now to look at the post you linked to, and which you say contains the answers to my issues - that is actually the survey that Spotter posted. A week ago, I started a separate thread here which asked for information in response to that. I have received literally nil information that is reliable in reply, though some well-meaning and sympathetic replies have been nice to read, it doesn't help me persuade people to stay in this game. And now you post that same link, and tell me that's enough information for me? Really mate, it's just not a help at all

Actually, the survey you linked to has now made the situation worse, because this was posted by Spotter on 17 October 2017, in in response to a large and growing number of complaints. We did the survey he posted. Nearly 300 people participated in the survey. Since then, we have heard nothing back at all that is reliable.  Nothing. N. O. T. H. I. N. G.

So, without any more information, I can only conclude that nothing WILL be done, EVER. Because that's the information most recently available.

If that's what I end up with, fine. But I have had to interpret that answer from Wargaming's complete lack of communication since 17 October 

In these forums, and elsewhere such as Reddit and other regional WOWS forums, I have seen many, often inconsistent posts from people such as yourself. But I have seen no post from Wargaming telling me how WG has considered the survey, and decided to not change anything for X weeks, or Y months, or until this region achieves a critical mass of Z players

So, despite what you have just written, I have no information to pass on to the people leaving the game, to ask them to stay, because something is going to happen to change the situation that is driving them away. I do have information to suggest nothing will ever happen, so they should continue playing this game only if they don't want to play clan battles or tournaments. Is this what I should pass on to my clan mates? If you think so, I will do that, because you seem to know more about this than a lot of the other people who've posted on this topic

And you mention how few of us there are. Your post suggests we are not important enough to communicate with again, after this 17 October post by Spotter, and after we have submitted our feedback. 

If this reading of your post is correct then your idea of clarity is clearly not the same as mine. And your idea of how to politely engage with paying customers is also clearly not the same as mine. Fair enough. That's your prerogative. Just as it's my prerogative to cease supporting a supplier who considers me and my clan mates so unimportant as to ignore completely for a month while we desperately ask for help, just to continue using the supplier's product

If that's not clear to you, I don't know how else to explain the problem

I will ignore the ad hominem attack on me - that's not helpful either. If you don't like that this information is needed by customers, please don't shoot the messenger

But genuinely, thanks for engaging with the issue, and for trying to help

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15 minutes ago, LargerNeptune3 said:

So, to be very clear, I want information which tells me two things:

1. this situation WILL change - not "might" change; and

2. a time frame WHEN this situation will change - a hard time line, not an uncertain and unreliable reply like "if there are more players, sometime, maybe, we will look at it and might get back to you, sometime"

1. They have decided it won't change for now, and they will continue to review it.  They will let you know if it does change.

2. Since they have decided to leave it as is for now, there is no when.  If they decide to change it in the future, they will tell you when at the time.

Pretty simple really.

 

You can push them to change it by all means.  There is an excellent argument to do so.  Continue to remind them that it means a lot to you.  However, asking for information that simply does not exist is pointless.

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3 minutes ago, Moggytwo said:

1. They have decided it won't change for now, and they will continue to review it.  They will let you know if it does change.

2. Since they have decided to leave it as is for now, there is no when.  If they decide to change it in the future, they will tell you when at the time.

Pretty simple really.

 

You can push them to change it by all means.  There is an excellent argument to do so.  Continue to remind them that it means a lot to you.  However, asking for information that simply does not exist is pointless.

Thanks - by asking for information, I am pushing as politely as I know how, to achieve a change which will allow players to be included in clan battles and tournaments, who are currently being excluded from these aspects of the game

What else should I do?

Do you really mean I should post a lot more here, saying this is important? It takes time out of my day, and as you can tell from my activity, I have spent a lot of time here in the past month, but achieved nothing of substance (except para 1 in your post above - for which I thank you as that's the most clear reply I have read - until now, I understood that was the case, but only because I figured it out myself using a process of deduction)

If you think I should continue to post here, what will that achieve? I can't say this is important over and over and over again, can I? That really would make me seem unreasonable, I think

No, the time has come to stop going around in circles on this. I will share your 1 and 2 with my clan mates, and let's see how happy those customers are, and what they choose to do next.

Personally, I'm going to start the process of finding another game, which does allow my clan mates and me to play, as we want to, without preventing us because we live in the ANZ region. And that's fine by me. I hold no grudge against Wargaming because of this - it's just life that their priorities don't include me or people like me at this time.

And I do know one can't keep everyone happy all the time. This happens all the time in life, and I've managed to live for many decades without railing against the reality that others' priorities aren't always the same as mine.

It's a bit sad in a way, because I have thoroughly enjoyed the product, and was hoping to enjoy the features that made me start playing - fun and engaging battles between teams of players who know each other. But then again, it's just life, and Life will go on and prosper :)

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This is going to get annoying more, I started to see player base dropping lately at this kind of hours now. Feels sorry for AUZ/NZ players. If they do that in the earlier time, ASIA players still have Afternoon School or Work.

It feels dilemma at this kind of moment.

 

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5 hours ago, LawrenceXVIII said:

This is going to get annoying more, I started to see player base dropping lately at this kind of hours now. Feels sorry for AUZ/NZ players. If they do that in the earlier time, ASIA players still have Afternoon School or Work.

It feels dilemma at this kind of moment.

It is a dilemma, but nobody is saying to exclude players in the current "prime time" areas so ANZ players can participate. I think all the ANZ players, who are reasonable, see that it would not work to make the time during school or work hours for the majority of players. 

Quite a few have suggested a bigger time window - start earlier and end at the same time - but this has not been received well by Wargaming, for reasons which are not very clear to me (every reason I've read has another side, and it's hard to judge which is right). However, let's assume they are good reasons, so the time window can't be made bigger. I think it's clear now that the main problem is the comparatively smaller number of players in the ANZ region, rather than other reasons, such as not exhausting us, or rewarding skills and teamwork, or even abusing the system (there are other ways to deal with this last problem, than effectively excluding entire regions) 

In putting it this way, it's clear you are right, there is a big problem. And it is getting worse, not better.

But the bigger a problem, the bigger the opportunity that the problem presents.

In this case, one opportunity for Wargaming is to take the front foot, and actively encourage existing ANZ clan players to refer new players to the game from the region. If we had some idea how many are needed in this region to make it viable for clan battles/tournaments, and were actively being encouraged to help Wargaming solve this by getting more players for them in the region, that could lead to a big win/win for both Wargaming and ANZ clan players.

I can think of other opportunities this problem presents for Wargaming. But it's not my job to tell Wargaming how to think. If they prefer to see this as an unsolvable dilemma, that is their right.

As readers of my posts will know already, I am not happy to have to leave the WoWs community. And there are many others, like me, who don't want to leave the game. But people like me - who play this game to play with clan mates - have no other option being presented to them, except to play another game.

So yes, a big problem, but not a dilemma to be sadly acknowledged as insoluble - rather, a big opportunity, which can be used or wasted. Which of those will we see in reality? it is is up to Wargaming to answer that question.

Edited by LargerNeptune3

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On 11/21/2017 at 11:06 PM, Kamanah said:

 

Actually i'm not missing the point.

 

The point is that in order for Australia and especially NZ players is that the hours are unreasonable for them to play. Having a fixed time for CB when a good portion of the player base is winding down for the night (with family) or in New Zealand's case... in bed. 

 

Obviously for Asia players its all good with the scheduled time, it... for the most part doesn't interrupt with real life commitments. Now to make times more appealing for our Aus and NZ friends the time would need to be rolled back like 4 or 5hrs.... which then obviously creates issues for the Asian player base because of work, studies etc.

 

This is why i said that allowing a set amount of hours per week to each Clan to play at "their" optimal times. So in theory Asian Clans will be against Asian Clans and Aus against NZ Clans, but when it comes to a weekend, perhaps its a little easier to then all battle together.

 

I'm suspecting that there are a large portion of Aus/NZ players/Clans that are missing out on this, so what WG have done has somewhat alienated a decent amount of player base who cannot either participate at all or is only limited to an hour or 2 due to how late it is for those players. This does reflects the reality of the situation.

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