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IJN Cruisers Furutaka and Aoba

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WoWStats is a great site because it is brutally honest. I had this idea that I was pretty good in Furutaka. Numbers don't lie: I suck. And the reason I'm not as good as the BB/DD lines is equally obvious: I don't play them enough.

 

So this week it's been as much CA games as I can stand, with DD/BB games only when my bruised ego can't take the punishment any longer. It's been quite a drubbing.

 

Taking a break, I'd like to ask you guys a few things...

 

First: Aoba "feels" much bigger, heavier, and more powerful than the upgraded Furutaka but looking at the specs it seems practically just a re-skin. +6% gun range, +3% health, 3 mm more bow armor. Armor, armament, and detection radius are almost identical. So, what makes Aoba a T6 ship? I don't get it.

 

Second: does MM hate me? My win rate is tanking, even though I'm rarely in the bottom third of the leaderboard. It seems the better I play, the harder the enemy team gets and the more likely we are to lose. Also, I'm up-tiered T+2 way more than I used to. So, yeah .... have I angered the MM gods or is that how MM is supposed to work to keep up the "challenge"? (I suspect that since I'm doing relatively well with the BB games, MM is giving me a tough time in the CA games assuming my skill level is equal for all ship types ... does that make sense?)

 

Third: How do you Aoba? DD support I think I have the right general idea, but BB escort I don't seem to be able to find any kind of groove. My play style can best be described as "taking long-distance potshots when I think I can get away with it". Do you position behind a BB to support, or in front? Any advice welcome.

 

 

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1. Furutaka and Aoba are pretty tanky when angled - many times I have landed battleships shells on the side of an angled aoba to get only a few overpens. Stay angled against enemy battleships in both ships and you stay alive. 

 

2. MM doesn't hate you - it hates everyone. Tiers 6, 7 and 8 are especially brutal. 

 

3. Watch this, it will help you much more than I can:

 

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47 minutes ago, Rina_Pon said:

....... My play style can best be described as "taking long-distance potshots when I think I can get away with it". .......Any advice welcome.

 

 

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This isn't working for you. Change your play style to be more objective focused.

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You should practice 50 match in Furutaka hull A and learn the importance of gun accuracy
, then 50 match in hull c for learning when to bow on, and 50 match in Aoba to learn more bow on and the last 100 match should also teach you when to reveal yourself and when not to.

And when to Banzai!

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1 hour ago, LordTyphoon said:

3. Watch this, it will help you much more than I can:

 

 

"Smoked up battleships win you games."

Lot's of great advice ... but like most of flamu's videos there's a lot of hidden precision that allows him to get away with stuff that you probably won't be able to. The island he hides behind is just high enough that the arcing fire from the Cleveland can't touch him. Graf Spee is too preoccupied to shoot back at his broadside. etc. 

I also watched his early Furutaka video. He makes an aggressive play in Solomon islands putting himself up against 4-5 ships and gets away with it. The enemy BB's are on lunch break or who knows... only the CV seems to be paying attention to him. Perhaps back then there were far more complete noobs playing T4-5, I don't think anyone could get away with that today.

 

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8 hours ago, Rina_Pon said:

First: Aoba "feels" much bigger, heavier, and more powerful than the upgraded Furutaka but looking at the specs it seems practically just a re-skin. +6% gun range, +3% health, 3 mm more bow armor. Armor, armament, and detection radius are almost identical. So, what makes Aoba a T6 ship? I don't get it.

4s reload made a lot of diffrence bruh

Baltimore and DM only have like 4.5 s reload diffrence. 4s faster reload is finger licking good

 

and before hull c introduced, Furutaka is awfull ship

If you play before Hull C introduced, you will know the diffrence like night and day

after Hull C introduced, the major upgrade were ROF - imo the rest were relativly minor improvement

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Grinded Furutaka before Hull C was introduced. She is hell of a ship. 203 mm guns at tier 5 is outright OP. You can pretty much overmatch enemy cruisers of your same tier and a few from higher tiers as well. And Aoba is a bit of upgrade from Furutaka, you have one of the best rate of fires with 203 mm around your MM range. DPM wins you engagements.

 

Notice that Furutaka has very limiting range, so you need to learn playing around your concealment range, when to open fire, when to stop etc. Often you would think you did all of these correctly, but you did not. For example, one of the common mistake cruisers do is they open fire and then they start to turn away, this is very wrong. For kiting, you start your turn away thing before you open up on enemy. With furutaka you also get those fantastic 10km torps with good firing angle, from Aoba to higher, you wont be able to torp forward, making them useless for most cases. Be careful about your rudder, at one point you will wish that you had last stand.

 

And as it goes for any powerful gun, you need to be on point with switching ammo type as needed. This makes day and night difference in end game score.

 

Anyway, I think IJN Cruisers now are absolute garbage and there is no reason to play them unless you are a fan or you are a masochist completionist.

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2 hours ago, icy_phoenix said:

ruisers of your same tier and a few from higher tiers as well. And Aoba is a bit of upgrade from Furutaka, you have one of the best rate of fires with 203 mm around your MM range. DPM wins you engagements.

 

4 hours ago, humusz said:

4s reload made a lot of diffrence bruh

Baltimore and DM only have like 4.5 s reload diffrence. 4s faster reload is finger licking good

 

and before hull c introduced, Furutaka is awfull ship

If you play before Hull C introduced, you will know the diffrence like night and day

after Hull C introduced, the major upgrade were ROF - imo the rest were relativly minor improvement

 

You are both so very very right. I can't believe I missed that change in reload time. +33% DPM ...

Though tier-for-tier, and considering the big downgrade in torp firing angles, Furutaka C seems a lot better than Aoba. Certainly a more fun ship.

 

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 Flamu's videos are not exactly a good example and players over at NA and EU uses the same boring meta as compared to Asia's turtle meta which is much more careful.

Unless you get afk players, getting matched up solo against 3 ships will guarantee you a fast trip back to port.
Flamu don't even want to play at Asia server cause he can't even take our meta game now.

And our recent cross server matches shows that Asia meta is obviously better =P

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55 minutes ago, Jehuty_v2 said:

 Flamu's videos are not exactly a good example and players over at NA and EU uses the same boring meta as compared to Asia's turtle meta which is much more careful.

Unless you get afk players, getting matched up solo against 3 ships will guarantee you a fast trip back to port.
Flamu don't even want to play at Asia server cause he can't even take our meta game now.

And our recent cross server matches shows that Asia meta is obviously better =P

Flamu is good , extremely good , but the match he show case it seems like the enemy make a lot of basic mistakes for him to exploit.

It doesnt happen on Asia server, you get exactly 1 chance to exploit a fault , they will NEVER repeat it again to you in the same match. Also , the mindset of avoiding direct confrontation makes Asia very hard to predict for most westerners in general.

Asians also love to show their ships butt more than their head to the enemy ( kiting position) , which suggest how pissed Flamu must have been :Smile_trollface:

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Aoba is agile enough that you can potentially evade battleship shells. I used this to great effect during the last ranked.

I went one on one against a full health Myoko in Furutaka C and i won, that's how good Furutaka C is.

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3 hours ago, Puteralanun said:

against a full health Myoko in Furutaka C and i won, that's how good Furutaka C is.

 

Well, more like the Myoko was that bad. Anyway, yes, at the end of the day, player skill is more important than ship, but lets not overrate Furutaka, she is not that great. Specially after the introduction of UK and French cruiser lines, she has been powercreep'd.

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3 hours ago, icy_phoenix said:

 Specially after the introduction of UK and French cruiser lines, she has been powercreep'd.

T5 French is good

but Emerald is better than Furutaka is doubtfull

on other hand German Cruiser free IFHE or even IFHE in general made 203 lost much appeal. especialy on low to mid tier

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2 hours ago, humusz said:

on other hand German Cruiser free IFHE or even IFHE in general made 203 lost much appeal. especialy on low to mid tier

 

Exactly, german cruisers are much better at HE performance with much higher RoF.

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2 hours ago, icy_phoenix said:

 

Exactly, german cruisers are much better at HE performance with much higher RoF.

 

those light cruiser have more range than 203mm, therefore easier to position is also major factor in powercreep imo

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