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the Akagi carrier

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Well been a long time since I did badpost but didnt have any botes that interested me greatly as of late but atm, I gotta vent out this frustration at being unable to perform most of me blue bawks duties so I just do this on the fly~

 

By the way, you guys already saw Akagi in the Rock, Paper Scissors trailer when she sent planes to deal with the Benson and got whacked by New Orleans and Baltimore blasting her.

 

I PRESENT TO YOU THE AKAGI CARRIER

 

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This personification fusion is not the Akagi you are looking for.

 

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THIS carrier. HOW GLORIOUS.

 

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Originally, Akagi would look like this.

 

Since the Washington Naval Treaty effectively cauterized the signatories on how to capital ship, and this included in the clause that the battlecruiser type, once not accepted as part of the "line ships" because its fast and trolls hard and cant manfight other dreads (to be fair, the Germans had a different way on thinking on how to battlecruiser as their ships of that type proved their shit by being tough-as-nails. See my Derfflinger badpost on how actually tough they are and how the Mackensen and Ersatz Yorck would have been absurd), had been folded to "capital ships" in an attempt to curb the arms race that was bound to happen because in shipbuilding, the motto of "stronger, faster, tougher" strokes the constructionboners for ship designers, existing ships that were in the slipway had to be dismantled as per the observations suggest, but Japan wouldn't have none of that and decided to convert the existing hulls of both Amagi and Akagi to carriers. If you're wondering where Atago and Ashitaka went, they never happened. Atago became the sister ship of the Takao heavy cruiser (which is rather coincidental since Ashitaka's second name is Takao) to boot. Sad to say, due to that devastating quake that rocked Japan, Amagi was one of the victims as she was totaled in the dry dock but Akagi got relatively off the event with damage that you can literally just take a bootload of time in the slipway to fix.

 

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BEHOLD, ITERATION 1 AKAGI.

 

Well.. not quite the carrier that was hoped for in sorts of ways...

 

The lumpy carrier had about 6 inches of belt and 3 inches of deck with defensive armaments of three pairs of the old 20cm guns, a bunch of large caliber AA guns and sets of 25mm's shoved onto her and she could nominally run at about 31 knots. Had a plane capacity of about 97-ish and a solid cadre of pilots. Now that was all well and good, but... err... she had flaws.

 

Basically the Lexington's early counterpart before the carrier was refitted to high hell as both were battlecruisers, both stopped at hull float-outs and both were reformatted to carriers, Akagi had a rather weird initial design of having a bunch of short runway decks because MOAR PLANE LAUNCHING, HURR. And it wasn't exactly helping that her engine placement as well as the funnels is strange. Now the engines themselves were fine because it was pretty much the standard boilers n shit fitting a battlecruiser, but when she was reformatted, the whole compartments radically changed. She was hot, and not attractively hot, but hot enough that you'd stay in a sauna to the point that quarters near the funnel were uninhabitable, and you'd get sick in the times in there if you aren't that resilient to the point I remembered her rather dark moniker of "The Murderous Longhouse" due to the craploads of crew issues like getting sick and just outright going crazy, and its a damn miracle how the crew still got their integrity from living in there. Oh did I forget that Akagi has a problem with theoretical bomb strikes that penetrated the deck, practically immolating the lumpy carrier should she be attacked because they forgot where to securely stow plane fuel and that its hard to run damcon aboard her? The designers sort of removed their heads out of their asses and again refitted the living crap out of the carrier, this time to the ubiquitous form and silhouette we know. Its also helping the carrier that she had some of the seasoned cadre of pilots aboard that endured their second home.

 

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I gotta admit, the scale model makes the lumpy carrier very pretty.

 

Akagi had a lot of runs to her life as a carrier, ranging from shakedown to ultimately getting decked so hard at Midway. She sent planes during the surprise attack at Pearl Harbor and a whole bunch of them scoring damaging hits on a good number of battleships moored at Battleship Row (its rather amusing some people credit one of her planes to be the one lugging that modified 410mm AP shell bomb that mag detted Arizona), aiding in plane spamming to cover the Japanese ground forces when they moved inland from their beachheads, and had a hand in sinking the Clemson class destroyer Edsall because the surface ships were really having problems with blasting her to high hell as well as being kill assistant when they found Hermes and Vampire. Was also one of the carriers trying to find where the Doolittle raiders launched from but thanks to Concealment Expert ninja vanishing, the US carriers Enterprise and Hornet ran back to Pearl and was also one of the raiders in the Indian Ocean Raid where afterwards she was finally setting in on training newbie pilots on how to carrier plane like a boss due to her cadre of seasoned pilots

 

And then came Midway.

 

Shokaku and Zuikaku were supposed to be there but due to Coral Sea shenanigans, they were incapacitated for several weeks so the Japanese decided to go with the Midway Four who were available for tasking because Admiral Yamamoto wanted to whack the US carriers good and in order to draw them out for the most decisive plane spamfest ever, they decided to steamroll Midway in order to do so. Well... the Americans found out by tapping to their super sekrit codes and decided to counter the carriers with their own carriers without playing to the initiative of the Japanese carrier force. Now the norm was that you hold off anti-ship wing and start with the dive bombers and fighters to comb the area and make an initial attack, but somehow (lol Arashi) the Americans found out where they were squatting and began their own waves of strike aircraft that included level bombers, one of which nearly missed the island of Akagi when it attempted to incapacitate the carrier to a degree by crashing into said island in a final moment of balls out manliness. It wasn't exactly helping that the flag officer aboard was scared out of his wits and decided to rearm the strike aircraft with bombs on the fly and continue spamming Midway Island with bombs instead of all out focus on finding where the US carriers were sending their strike wings from, and this proved to be a really bad choice since after several strike attempts made by the Americans, a group of Helldivers appeared out of nowhere and began their dives, incapacitated Kaga and dropping bombs on Akagi whose planes were still in the middle of prepping and shit like bombs being fitted and plane fuel being loaded to planes... and fires roar. She burned until Yamamoto himself had to order her scuttled, the captain and damcon teams aboard going down with her although the majority of the personnel were safe. Not long after the other three of the Midway Four went under as well.

 

So ends her run, but her service life was far from boring.

 

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Glorious carrier.

 

Basing on the old CBT/OBT trailer, Akagi is a good fit for tier 8 although as a surface ship player, I can't say much for her wings but the Midway load would fit nicely for her offensive assets as Kaga is reportedly the "Pearl Harbor" loadout. I get this feeling she'll service planes way faster than Shokaku assuming she doesnt become the Japanese equivalent of the Enterprise. I dunno what exactly can make Akagi unique since her premium carrier colleague has the unique torpedo spread and accurate bomb strikes but basing on her run, its likely the fighters will be her strong suit.

 

Derp.exe is over.

Edited by EvyL

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22 hours ago, EvyL said:

Since the Washington Naval Treaty effectively cauterized the signatories on how to capital ship, and this included in the clause that the battlecruiser type, once not accepted as part of the "line ships" because its fast and trolls hard and cant manfight other dreads (to be fair, the Germans had a different way on thinking on how to battlecruiser as their ships of that type proved their shit by being tough-as-nails. See my Derfflinger badpost on how actually tough they are and how the Mackensen and Ersatz Yorck would have been absurd), had been folded to "capital ships" in an attempt to curb the arms race that was bound to happen because in shipbuilding, the motto of "stronger, faster, tougher" strokes the constructionboners for ship designers, existing ships that were in the slipway had to be dismantled as per the observations suggest, but Japan wouldn't have none of that and decided to convert the existing hulls of both Amagi and Akagi to carriers. If you're wondering where Atago and Ashitaka went, they never happened. Atago became the sister ship of the Takao heavy cruiser (which is rather coincidental since Ashitaka's second name is Takao) to boot. Sad to say, due to that devastating quake that rocked Japan, Amagi was one of the victims as she was totaled in the dry dock but Akagi got relatively off the event with damage that you can literally just take a bootload of time in the slipway to fix.

 

There is no diffrent betwen Battleship and battlecruiser on Washington Naval treaty, as battlecruiser is not "proper official class". they all capital ships since from diplomatic standpoint what matter first and foremost is gun they carried

 

Capital ship is seen as the main Power projection of any Empire, Naval classification can be more political than military.and there is 315,000 tons limit imposed by it to Japan. After Jutland, where those glass jawed proved to be total failed concept. No nation would continue depleting tonnage cap for such fragile ship

 

at that time, aircraft carrier is not a capital ship. since aircraft is not yet seen as proper machines to project Nation Power

but today even smallest LHD or light carrier is a proper capital ship, even flagship of the navy

well at that time, aircraft can only carry few kg of armanent. while today Jet aircraft can carry and deliver 5 to 10 tons of firepower - the power projection value of single one of them is multiplied to  almost 1000 fold in 100 years

 

Classification change as doctrine changes, there is an era (50-60s) where US Navy only consider what to be cruiser (so from almost 600 ships, so USN claim they only have 4 cruiser) is they must have heavy offensive (nuclear) missile. even today US definition of frigate is diffrent than RN.

so if the official term can be differ from nation to nation, battlecruiser which were more of an unofficial title can be interpreted very very laxly 

 

 

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my father has  the battleship  version of this ship and the aircraft in 2 version the first is 3  deck ship and the 1938 after the refit was finished and the scale 1/350

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May I ask about IJN BBs class

is it correct? >>

Kawachi-class >> Fuso-class >> Ise-class >> Nagato-class >> Tosa-class (Tosa, Kaga) >> {Kongo-class >>} Amagi-class (Amagi, Akagi, Atago, Takao[Ashitaka]) >> Kii-class >> Juusan[No.13]-class >> Yamato-class >> A-150-class

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3 hours ago, MatterCore said:

May I ask about IJN BBs class

is it correct? >>

Kawachi-class >> Fuso-class >> Ise-class >> Nagato-class >> Tosa-class (Tosa, Kaga) >> {Kongo-class >>} Amagi-class (Amagi, Akagi, Atago, Takao[Ashitaka]) >> Kii-class >> Juusan[No.13]-class >> Yamato-class >> A-150-class

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If memory serves, Amagi would have been the technical first if she was laid down as a battleship but Tosa would have been Nagato's successor of sorts using the same AB-PQ-XY layout Amagi had, but yeah Amagi would have been first, then Tosa, and then Kii and you go from there.

 

The Kongo isn't exactly... straight from their shipyards as the battleships, paper or not, here are although the other three should be local built using the same template as Kongo

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On 11/7/2017 at 11:50 AM, MatterCore said:

May I ask about IJN BBs class

is it correct? >>

Kawachi-class >> Fuso-class >> Ise-class >> Nagato-class >> Tosa-class (Tosa, Kaga) >> {Kongo-class >>} Amagi-class (Amagi, Akagi, Atago, Takao[Ashitaka]) >> Kii-class >> Juusan[No.13]-class >> Yamato-class >> A-150-class

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nope, Japan Naval building planed for original eight-eight fleet. If you draw it from Kawachi then it would like this

Kawachi-class >> Fuso-class >> Ise-class >> Nagato-class >> Tosa-clas >> Kii-class >> Juusan[No.13]-class      | Yamato Class >> A-150

                             Kongo-class >>---------------------------------------------------------Amagi class                                       | B-65 Class

 

 

it treated separatly because. a squadron of 8-8 fleet would composed of 4 Battleship acompanied by 4 First line cruiser (or battlecruiser as more broad term)

so the development path were not linear, instead split into 2

 

and ideal squadron would be: 2 8-8 squadron

1st squadron : Both Fusou and ISe class (4 ships)

                        Kongo Class (4)

2nd squadron : Both Nagato and Tosa class (4 ships)

                         Amagi Class (4)

 

Upgraded squadron 1

1st squadron : Both Nagato and Tosa class (4 ships)              

                        Kongo Class (4)

2nd squadron : Kii Class (4 ships)

                         Amagi Class (4)

Reserve squadron : Both Fusou and ISe class (4 ships)

 

Upgraded squadron 2

1st squadron : Kii Class (4 ships)

                        Kongo Class (4)

2nd squadron : Juusan[No.13]-class (4)

                         Amagi Class (4)

Reserve squadron/Possible 3rd squadron : Both Fusou and ISe class (4 ships) + Both Nagato and Tosa class (4 ships)

 

Since there washington naval treaty. those ideal upgrade phase not happen.

Yamato class were born as result of no-13 class cancelation . Yamato class partner would be B-65 Class

AFAIK its should not possible for no-13 and yamato exist on same timeline

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When I sorta said technically, I did mean the layout that was prospected on Amagi. the strange ass AB-PQ-XY and the general sleek design build that did reflect on Tosa and Kii's builds as the Kongos were still, back then, intended to what they were to do before getting their shit reformatted so Amagi is sort of there as the gap before Tosa and Kii but if we speak of by right of keel, Amagi has no place on the battleship line so to say (its rather interesting they used the Amagi rather than prospecting a what-if for Tosa as the tier 8)

 

.. now I'm rather curious on what the name of a reformatted Kii would be like if they had went and proceeded to keel her and then turned her to a full on carrier

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well, the latter sleek design were mostly atributed to influence of Yuzuru Hiraga. as he step as leading naval designer

 

If the heritage were traced, Kawachi >> Fusou >> ISe. 

Nagato and later improved Nagato aka Tosa-class were not based on pre-existing design

 

while  Amagi, Kii, and Juusan[No.13]-class have their design based/influenced by Kongo

In the game we also have Izhizuchi which were basicly Kongo. when they build the Kongo, British offer 2 choice of armanent. 10 - 12 inch of 8 - 14inch.

that makes Izhizuchi a what if scenario. its an alternate kongo

Amagi can be said traced back this heritage latter on. as they have somewhat similiar point of mass

 

Yamato (and Izumo) also represent the new design, mostly by influence of Kikuo Fujimoto as primary Naval designer replacing Hiraga. The design Surrounding Yamato differ because of washington Naval treaty. so the design aproach were changed to reflect the new situation

anyway he also re-design Aoba while under no supervision by Hiraga (Fujimoto is Hiraga assistant). He regarded as most briliant Naval architect Japan have

 

well, Japanese ship design mostly influenced by 3 Naval architect : Fukuoda umanosuke,  Yuzuru Hiraga and Kikuo Fujimoto

 

 

2 hours ago, EvyL said:

. now I'm rather curious on what the name of a reformatted Kii would be like if they had went and proceeded to keel her and then turned her to a full on carrier

since the IJN dont bother rename ships after converted (like shinano or kaga)

Kii would still be Kii - or Kishū (alternate name of the province)

the other would be Owari .

last 2 that were not named yet might get original namesake for converted carrier. possibly something with .............."Ho" at the end (.................... - "phoenix" prefix)

 

 

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this were Fusou proposed upgrade by  Yuzuru Hiraga.

one of the things he like, is he seems likes ship with 10 gun (most of ships he designed have 10 guns)

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