Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
You need to play a total of 10 battles to post in this section.
FishyPower

Please buff Prinz Eugen

14 comments in this topic

Recommended Posts

Beta Tester
902 posts
4,189 battles

Fishy shall start his rant on the Prinz Eugen and how it is underpowered. *Takes out pitchfork*

 

4CmEGuR.png

 

This speaks for itself. Worst WR among all the T8 premiums. Everything else is at 50% except the Graf Zeppelin that we should ignore for now. The other boats all have a significantly higher battle count which means their WR is actually probably lower dude to the influx of wallet warriors that buy those ships due to the good reviews they get.

 

Prinz Eugen vs Kutuzov

Kutuzov is superior in every aspect. The reliance on HE means it is more resistant to uptiering. The smoke allows it to spam HE in relative safety and even contest cap if necessary. Pair HE spam and the 19.1km range means that she is essentially safe from any BB. Meanwhile, our Prinz Eugen gets low HE DPM, worse range. You argue that the Kutuzov gets worse armor than the Prinz Eugen. It doesn't matter. If you manage to screw up in the Kutuzov, the Prinz Eugen would probably eat citadels in the exact same case. There are 2 things the Prinz Eugen are better at. One, 4300 more HP which is 2 more BB AP pens. Two, Prinz Eugen overmatches 381mm while Kutuzov overmatches 371mm. This means the Prinz Eugen can bow tanks the Bismarck and Tirpitz, but any BB captain worth his salt would aim for your superstructure so you're [Edited] anyways. If you managed to survive bow tanking, the Prinz Eugen does reward you with generous torpedo arcs but when do you actually get to use this...

 

Prinz Eugen vs Atago

The Atago plays a different role compared to the Prinz Eugen, but it is still a better boat then the Prinz Eugen. When built for concealment, it can stealth torp which is a game changer. It has great IJN HE and most importantly, it gets the ability to heal. When built right, it gets 4 heal consumables which is makes the Atago much better than the Prinz Eugen. The 2 things the Prinz Eugen does better is its AA suite which makes it a better AA escort, but then again, if you get spotted in the middle of your fleet, the enemy would ignore the BBs around you and focus you. Without the ability to heal, it really cuts down your ability to contribute in the game. 2nd bow tanking, but I'd much rather be able to heal the pen damage that I get rather than be able to eat Bismarck shells to the face much as that would be fun.

 

Giving the Prinz Eugen smoke might make her a little too OP (Not that I mind) Sitting in smoke with a floatplane scouting, hydro to spot rushers that you can torp. That's make the Prinz Eugen a lovely ship. The ideal thing to do is to give the Prinz Eugen heal like the Atago. It'll let her be more aggressive, since she can finally use her armor. If you emphasize the armor of the Prinz Eugen, then isn't it funny that I lose 5000 hp eating a HE salvo from an Atago that is angled while I return an AP salvo doing 2k overpen to her superstructure/ 0 damage by bouncing off the belt armor or 3k HE pen. Let's not even bring up dealing with RN BBs.

 

There is only one thing that the Prinz Eugen truly does better, and it's her Kancolle character.

 

This is what I get greeted with every time I return to port. Also beer, but yeah.

 

Image result for prinz eugen kancolle

 

WG you think that the reputation of the Prinz Eugen on Kancolle will save you? Think again, cause the Atago is a serious contender too.

 

Image result for atago banzai chibi

 

"Banzai" she said.

 

So seriously, buff the Prinz Eugen will you? The bow armor buff and the HE pen buff were nice and all, but they didn't impact the Prinz Eugen that much in terms of game play. The Prinz Eugen might be a better captain trainer, but you can easily achieve better results in the Scharnost and Tirpitz that will net you both better stats and the same amount of EXP, so why Prinz Eugen other than for the fact that she's waifu material.

Edited by FishyPower

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
481 posts
7,598 battles
58 minutes ago, hoanganh636 said:

they have already buffed her 

Op knows this as mentioned in first post.

3 hours ago, FishyPower said:

The bow armor buff and the HE pen buff were nice and all, but they didn't impact the Prinz Eugen that much in terms of game play.

 

I would have to agree. I'm not really noticing any real impact on gameplay and therefore my results in battle after these 2 buffs.

3 hours ago, FishyPower said:

The ideal thing to do is to give the Prinz Eugen heal like the Atago. It'll let her be more aggressive, since she can finally use her armor. If you emphasize the armor of the Prinz Eugen, then isn't it funny that I lose 5000 hp eating a HE salvo from an Atago that is angled while I return an AP salvo doing 2k overpen to her superstructure/ 0 damage by bouncing off the belt armor or 3k HE pen. Let's not even bring up dealing with RN BBs.

You would not believe the amount of times I am playing and take crazy amounts of damage even when angled, and go to hit the heal and realise "oh **** I'm in the Prinz". This ship really struggles to out DPM its opponents. It consistently will eat more damage than you can give out. The guns are fantastic in term of shell velocity and alpha damage. The problem is the AP seems to overpen so often, or bounce off broadside cruiser who is ever so slightly angled. Love the ship, but it can be very frustrating to play her for more than a few battles here and there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Beta Tester
902 posts
4,189 battles

The thing is, high risk high reward isn't really applicable to the Prinz Eugen. Bow tank and rush BB? Good luck with that. In other ships, I can still kind of get results from those, but Prinz Eugen? Pfft

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
203 posts
11,788 battles

Any buff is welcome but it will not change the fact that Prinz Eugen/Hipper is just another typical heavy cruiser in the game.
AP only strong in terms of damage and that's it you play exactly like other cruisers and you actually doing worse than them.

Before any buff happens I think it is worth considering Expert Loader to switch shell faster in some situation. Its better than having to shoot away whatever's loaded on your guns.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
207 posts
8,174 battles
4 hours ago, FishyPower said:

The thing is, high risk high reward isn't really applicable to the Prinz Eugen. Bow tank and rush BB? Good luck with that. In other ships, I can still kind of get results from those, but Prinz Eugen? Pfft

why you bow tank and rush BB in a cruiser ? your job is not tanking BB and rush them... -_-
 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Beta Tester
902 posts
4,189 battles
14 hours ago, Gesterbein said:

why you bow tank and rush BB in a cruiser ? your job is not tanking BB and rush them... -_-
 

 

End game, it's worth it if your team is all on low health and you trade your 10k HP boat for their full HP BB

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Beta Tester
902 posts
4,189 battles
2 hours ago, Kim_JongMion said:

Eugen is even not as good as Hipper.....

I guess when German CA got new type of torp as WG mentioned,Eugen may get buffed

 

If deep water torps is all she gets, then it isn't enough of a buff. Buffing something that doesn't affect the typical gameplay is essentially no buff

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Member
1,332 posts
8,817 battles
24 minutes ago, FishyPower said:

 

If deep water torps is all she gets, then it isn't enough of a buff. Buffing something that doesn't affect the typical gameplay is essentially no buff

According to WG it still counts, hence things like the Khaba torp "nerf". :Smile-_tongue:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Beta Tester
902 posts
4,189 battles
21 hours ago, Thyaliad said:

According to WG it still counts, hence things like the Khaba torp "nerf". :Smile-_tongue:

With enough whining, we will get what we want.

Edited by FishyPower

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  

×