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There's very little technical advantage of t6s over t5s in operations. I am against this move because it is possible to carry an operation with a t5. If you want to ban t5s, please limit it to CVs as they do not have manual drop and thus the ai can easily dodge their torps. To prove it's doable, here are a handful of screenshots. It's not just DDs too, I've had excellent games in Murmansk, Marblehead, Texas, etc. I have a lot of fun levelling up my captains in operations with t5 premiums, it would be a big loss to lose this fun :'(

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The tier was never the issue. A decent T5 player could easily outplay a T6 player who had no idea.   It came down to inept players who didn't have a clue how to meet the achievements.    I'm not sure where WG got their information on this change.

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2 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

The tier was never the issue. A decent T5 player could easily outplay a T6 player who had no idea.   It came down to inept players who didn't have a clue how to meet the achievements.    I'm not sure where WG got their information on this change.

According to the patch notes, it's because lots of players requested for it.

Probably the only way to revoke this change would be to have the players who are against it outnumber the request of those who wanted it limited.

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Gotta be a joke man....

what wrong with t5 ships in operations?..

Yet again, People can take advantage and use operation to get exp/credit and they still gonna whine about it

 

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Technically, most T6 do have a performance advantage over T5, as they should be. But it's the right choice of ship and the player's experience in scenario that matters. Knowing what type of ship/characteristics to bring for the scenario and knowing what to expect and how to deal with the situation is way more important than blindly go for T6 and discriminate T5 boats. Some T5 have advantageous characteristics T6 don't have, in some scenarios, particularly Killer Whale, Kongo's high speed is probably more desirable than Fuso's heavy armament. Iron Duke's high gun counts and relatively good precision can be fatal for cruisers in scenario Raptor, often proving to be more valuable than a Bayern. Kamikaze and Gremy are even better performing than their T6 counterparts. IMO scenario in it's 0610 status was quite enjoyable, and banning T5 isn't gonna make it better.

NEED MOOOOOOOAAAAAAR SCENARIO!

NEED SCENARIO FOR T8-10!

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Just now, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

Really????????????????????????????

RUserver bias?

Dunno about RU. But I see a lot of hate for it while playing scenarios in NA and copped some for playing Gremy (which is ironic since it's better than some T6s). It peaked especially during that time when people had the free T5 DDs from Dunkirk.

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3 minutes ago, amade said:

Dunno about RU. But I see a lot of hate for it while playing scenarios in NA and copped some for playing Gremy (which is ironic since it's better than some T6s). It peaked especially during that time when people had the free T5 DDs from Dunkirk.

Pretty sure I seen a few 'don't bring T5 to Operations' threads on the NA forum a few months ago as well.

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10 minutes ago, amade said:

Dunno about RU. But I see a lot of hate for it while playing scenarios in NA and copped some for playing Gremy (which is ironic since it's better than some T6s). It peaked especially during that time when people had the free T5 DDs from Dunkirk.

Definitely this.

NA have a lot of hate when it comes to T5 vs T6 in ops.

It's pretty much the thought line of more (higher tier) is better.......

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11 minutes ago, amade said:

Dunno about RU. But I see a lot of hate for it while playing scenarios in NA and copped some for playing Gremy (which is ironic since it's better than some T6s). It peaked especially during that time when people had the free T5 DDs from Dunkirk.

That about the only time I've seen it because the Dunkirk DD's were trash for the following scenario.

I've seen no surveys, no call for player feedback, in fact nothing.   its truly a nonissue here, and anecdotal issue on the NA server.   

 

 

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2 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

That about the only time I've seen it because the Dunkirk DD's were trash for the following scenario.

I've seen no surveys, no call for player feedback, in fact nothing.   its truly a nonissue here, and anecdotal issue on the NA server.   

 

 

I agree.

The choice should remain with the player.

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10 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

That about the only time I've seen it because the Dunkirk DD's were trash for the following scenario.

I've seen no surveys, no call for player feedback, in fact nothing.   its truly a nonissue here, and anecdotal issue on the NA server.   

 

WG would have happily left it as it was because it means more players will have access to the mode. They certainly don't see any issues with ship performance otherwise they can easily adjust for that as they have done occasionally for the scenarios. They don't gain anything from restricting it on a whim. This is purely a move to appease complainers.

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Just now, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

That about the only time I've seen it because the Dunkirk DD's were trash for the following scenario.

I've seen no surveys, no call for player feedback, in fact nothing.   its truly a nonissue here, and anecdotal issue on the NA server.   

 

 

 

I didn't even realise the dunkirk DDs were usable in the other scenarios lel

 

but they changed it because of NA forums :thonkang: NA baBBies

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My point exactly.   I've never seen any attempt to gain feedback and was actually surprised that Amade pointed out NA didn't like it.    

I don't know what info WG have so lets run a poll.

Amade or any other mods.  I'm happy if its combined with this thread.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, ari_aji said:

how WG collect informations

NA = good idea

EU = ok

RU = you are the boss

ASIA = why i must listen to you?

AUSTRALIA = you guys really exist?

but austraila is a part of EU, why should we listen to them :cap_book:

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35 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

but austraila is a part of EU, why should we listen to them :cap_book:

Just because they eat sausages, drink beer and wear lederhausen doesn't mean they shouldn't be listened to 

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I have been using the tier 5 UK BB Iron Duke to great effect in Newport, often topping the team or at least in the top 3.

Tbh I am a bit surprised at this decision. I don't recall much hate against the t5 ships. They were mostly aimed at the Dunkirk DDs which truthfully were utter trash in normal operations.

The only time tier 5 really hurts was with the pre-nerf Newport, which was legit hard to 5-star even for a full roster of tier 6s.

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1 hour ago, HMS_Swiftsure_08 said:

Technically, most T6 do have a performance advantage over T5, as they should be. But it's the right choice of ship and the player's experience in scenario that matters. Knowing what type of ship/characteristics to bring for the scenario and knowing what to expect and how to deal with the situation is way more important than blindly go for T6 and discriminate T5 boats. Some T5 have advantageous characteristics T6 don't have, in some scenarios, particularly Killer Whale, Kongo's high speed is probably more desirable than Fuso's heavy armament. Iron Duke's high gun counts and relatively good precision can be fatal for cruisers in scenario Raptor, often proving to be more valuable than a Bayern. Kamikaze and Gremy are even better performing than their T6 counterparts. IMO scenario in it's 0610 status was quite enjoyable, and banning T5 isn't gonna make it better.

NEED MOOOOOOOAAAAAAR SCENARIO!

NEED SCENARIO FOR T8-10!

I want too for T5 - TX

39 minutes ago, Thyaliad said:

I have been using the tier 5 UK BB Iron Duke to great effect in Newport, often topping the team or at least in the top 3.

Tbh I am a bit surprised at this decision. I don't recall much hate against the t5 ships. They were mostly aimed at the Dunkirk DDs which truthfully were utter trash in normal operations.

The only time tier 5 really hurts was with the pre-nerf Newport, which was legit hard to 5-star even for a full roster of tier 6s.

T5 is bad, very bad, bad bad ... bad...:cap_fainting:

Badass :cap_haloween:

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2 hours ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said:

The tier was never the issue. A decent T5 player could easily outplay a T6 player who had no idea.   It came down to inept players who didn't have a clue how to meet the achievements.    I'm not sure where WG got their information on this change.

I doubt is about the dilution of players in Random Battle you've mentioned before.Previous MM always send Tier 5 to Tier 7 room therefore Tier 5 people get frustrated and not play Random

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