1,408 AntifoulAwl ∞ Alpha Tester 2,288 posts 8,786 battles Report post #1 Posted July 2, 2017 Okay guys, I can't decide on 4th skill for Clevelands' commander. What have you found to be successful or atrocious? Any help would be appreciated, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,801 icy_phoenix Super Tester_ 7,897 posts 10,335 battles Report post #2 Posted July 2, 2017 IFHE on 10th, CE on 14th. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,004 [TDA] RalphTheTheatreCat ST Coordinator 5,742 posts 8,258 battles Report post #3 Posted July 2, 2017 One thing I was never truly convinced about with my captain was giving him IFHE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,408 AntifoulAwl ∞ Alpha Tester 2,288 posts 8,786 battles Report post #4 Posted July 2, 2017 Yeah, the IFHE is in the final running, but more AA would be nice. And concealment? Why can't I have all three?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
653 [GS] Onlinegamer Video Contributor, Beta Tester, Clantest Coordinator 2,816 posts 14,216 battles Report post #5 Posted July 2, 2017 IFHE AFT MAA RIP CV RIP BB RIP everything become cheatland again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,004 [TDA] RalphTheTheatreCat ST Coordinator 5,742 posts 8,258 battles Report post #6 Posted July 2, 2017 Alpha Cheatland was the one true cheatland......Nothing compares. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
968 [LBAS] Skarhabek Member 1,927 posts 3,663 battles Report post #7 Posted July 2, 2017 pick AFT and manual AA and Concealment..... or pick whatever else..... after that shout to everyone i dont have AA build :V "CV please dont attack me, i have AA build. i am not lie" now enemy CV is confused if you are AA build or not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,004 [TDA] RalphTheTheatreCat ST Coordinator 5,742 posts 8,258 battles Report post #8 Posted July 2, 2017 I generally run mine for DFAA but I'm not sure how many CV I will see in ranked. maybe Hydro is a better choice? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,408 AntifoulAwl ∞ Alpha Tester 2,288 posts 8,786 battles Report post #9 Posted July 2, 2017 Not sure if im gonna played ranked or not... only had two battles so far. What got me started playing Cleve again was the operations. Before that, she was mothballed up since the capt skills rework a few months ago. 14 minutes ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said: I generally run mine for DFAA but I'm not sure how many CV I will see in ranked. maybe Hydro is a better choice? I run with Hydro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
22 [JUNK] blacknoheart Member 496 posts 19,433 battles Report post #10 Posted July 2, 2017 what??!! why'd you run hydro with current shark CV infested waters ?! go back home and change to DFAA PRONTO!!!! you're doing it wrong bro!!! if CV is extinct once more, then equip hydro!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,408 AntifoulAwl ∞ Alpha Tester 2,288 posts 8,786 battles Report post #11 Posted July 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, blacknoheart said: what??!! why'd you run hydro with current shark CV infested waters ?! go back home and change to DFAA PRONTO!!!! you're doing it wrong bro!!! if CV is extinct once more, then equip hydro!!! Sir! Yes Sir! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,808 [151ST] S4pp3R Member 2,933 posts 11,031 battles Report post #12 Posted July 2, 2017 I don't have a Cleveland however I can tell you that you shouldn't be in range to use hydro most of the time, not with the saturation of BBs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,004 [TDA] RalphTheTheatreCat ST Coordinator 5,742 posts 8,258 battles Report post #13 Posted July 2, 2017 Randoms needs DFAA fore sure. I was talking abound ranked. I had DD's doing some real aggressive moves last night and hydro probably would have helped. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44 [KMS-A] ellofiend Member 309 posts 7,227 battles Report post #14 Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) 12 hours ago, Skarhabek said: pick AFT and manual AA and Concealment..... or pick whatever else..... after that shout to everyone i dont have AA build :V "CV please dont attack me, i have AA build. i am not lie" now enemy CV is confused if you are AA build or not The cv is confused at the start, no? don't bother with aa, cv's will stay away from clevelands no-matter what so just clip on some hydro or Concealment or IFHE But probably not RPF. IFHE will let you pen the bow and stern of T7 bb's (pen value with IFHE is 33mm's rounded from 32.9) when you previously could not. But then again this does lower your fire chance so it really does depend on whether you would rather creep around delivering shells to unexpecting destroyers or be an anti-aa escort ship or with IFHE you could sit behind mountains letting the havoc break out on the decks of colorados, nagatos and gneisenaus, it depends on your play style. Regards Elmo edit: once you have fully saturated the bow/stern of the BB then you cannot do any more damage so might want to think that through (apart from ss) but you cannot citadel so hmmm Edited July 2, 2017 by ellofiend 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,004 [TDA] RalphTheTheatreCat ST Coordinator 5,742 posts 8,258 battles Report post #15 Posted July 3, 2017 Fly India X-ray and Victor Lima flags as well........because. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,408 AntifoulAwl ∞ Alpha Tester 2,288 posts 8,786 battles Report post #16 Posted July 3, 2017 11 hours ago, ellofiend said: The cv is confused at the start, no? don't bother with aa, cv's will stay away from clevelands no-matter what so just clip on some hydro or Concealment or IFHE But probably not RPF. IFHE will let you pen the bow and stern of T7 bb's (pen value with IFHE is 33mm's rounded from 32.9) when you previously could not. But then again this does lower your fire chance so it really does depend on whether you would rather creep around delivering shells to unexpecting destroyers or be an anti-aa escort ship or with IFHE you could sit behind mountains letting the havoc break out on the decks of colorados, nagatos and gneisenaus, it depends on your play style. Regards Elmo edit: once you have fully saturated the bow/stern of the BB then you cannot do any more damage so might want to think that through (apart from ss) but you cannot citadel so hmmm Thanks greatly...This is the analysis that makes my battle glands run hot. Looks like IFHE is the way to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44 [KMS-A] ellofiend Member 309 posts 7,227 battles Report post #17 Posted July 3, 2017 Oh wow thanks! Glad it helps, a bit of time researching pays off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,408 AntifoulAwl ∞ Alpha Tester 2,288 posts 8,786 battles Report post #18 Posted July 3, 2017 10 hours ago, RalphTheTheatreCat said: Fly India X-ray and Victor Lima flags as well........because. Those two, but what really wanna fly is a 1960s cartoon flag.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79 [FORCE] GRADAN31 [FORCE] Member 298 posts 6,333 battles Report post #19 Posted July 3, 2017 I have demolition expert with IFHE, which allows me to cause damage while setting fires everywhere. But I took the long route to get CE first then IFHE. Still, IFHE does work well on BB, provided they are not shooting you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
44 [KMS-A] ellofiend Member 309 posts 7,227 battles Report post #20 Posted July 4, 2017 Flame uploaded a video discussing the clevelands captain skills that would be suggested although that might be just for ranked but would still be worth a look: Cleveland is at 20:00 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
22 [JUNK] blacknoheart Member 496 posts 19,433 battles Report post #21 Posted July 4, 2017 13 hours ago, GRADAN31 said: I have demolition expert with IFHE, which allows me to cause damage while setting fires everywhere. But I took the long route to get CE first then IFHE. Still, IFHE does work well on BB, provided they are not shooting you. I agree with your build for me, setting fires is more important as I tend to use my clevo cptn in my atlanta, IFHE will definitely lower atlanta's fire chance so better not equip IFHE?! or just use another captain for atlanta?! 1% fire chance different is a lot for atlanta, right?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79 [FORCE] GRADAN31 [FORCE] Member 298 posts 6,333 battles Report post #22 Posted July 4, 2017 48 minutes ago, blacknoheart said: I agree with your build for me, setting fires is more important as I tend to use my clevo cptn in my atlanta, IFHE will definitely lower atlanta's fire chance so better not equip IFHE?! or just use another captain for atlanta?! 1% fire chance different is a lot for atlanta, right?! I am not sure if you are being rhetorical here, but with the number of guns on Atlanta, 1% is nothing (with DE). Like Cleveland, somehow I still set fire regularly. However, I have not tried with just IFHE alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
22 [JUNK] blacknoheart Member 496 posts 19,433 battles Report post #23 Posted July 4, 2017 4 hours ago, GRADAN31 said: I am not sure if you are being rhetorical here, but with the number of guns on Atlanta, 1% is nothing (with DE). Like Cleveland, somehow I still set fire regularly. However, I have not tried with just IFHE alone. i don't have IFHE yet, that's why I asked unlike cleveland 12% fire chance, atlanta only have 5%, so 1% in the atlanta matters much more and you hardly hit anything with those guns except the slow moving BBs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79 [FORCE] GRADAN31 [FORCE] Member 298 posts 6,333 battles Report post #24 Posted July 4, 2017 4 hours ago, blacknoheart said: i don't have IFHE yet, that's why I asked unlike cleveland 12% fire chance, atlanta only have 5%, so 1% in the atlanta matters much more and you hardly hit anything with those guns except the slow moving BBs oh, I just realised Atlanta uses 127mm guns . I guess using IFHE means you will rely more on HE penetrations on Atlanta rather than having fire, i.e. aim better to deal more damage from hitting target, dont expect too much fires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,801 icy_phoenix Super Tester_ 7,897 posts 10,335 battles Report post #25 Posted July 4, 2017 This is how I would do it. Order: PT - duh AR - any way to increase RoF is good DE - no other L3 skill is useful. use premium consumable if you think you can't live without SI CE - easier time as bottom tier, but if you go for ranked IFHE first. for random, DE is enough to compensate IFHE by getting fire damage. IFHE - you still don't need monster AA. DFAA, fighter, clear sky flags, aa range mod should be enough. ensured surface damage is more important. no good cv will look at your way anyway, the one who come after you are bad and will be autodropping. AFT - imo this can be skipped if you are not AA fanatic. DCCA - when dfaa down, your fighters will screw up enemy cv drop. when you are behind rock, and no spotter for you, your fighters will give you more vision. If you skip AFT, you can get BoS/BFT + PM which is better investment in my opinion. Like I said, people will assume that you have OP AA anyway (unless you tell them that you don't). Wasting a lot of point on them seems to be an overkill to me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites