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A little bit of a rant - so fed up with destroyers rushing ahead and then popping smoke at the first sign of an enemy ship,usually another DD and thereby losing the ability to spot said enemy ships for the rest of the team whilst allowing said enemy ship to keep spotting me in my battleship so I get targeted by 4-5 enemy ships and then get walloped by the torps launched by said enemy ship - is even worse when the destroyer on my team has nestled up behind an island and then popped smoke coz they can't spot and also can't shoot or launch torps at any targets which their team mates have had to spot for them!  note to DD captains - your job is to cap caps and spot for the rest of your team - not to spend the whole battle hiding in your smoke!!

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There will be some players who do not excel in knife fights, specially if they are in IJN DDS.. or if they have bad concealment like Soviet DDS.  Take evasive measures in a BB if your DD teamate is lacking in these skills, dont go beyond your own concealment range to prevent from being spotted:)

 

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I think the reason they do this is because players think they need to cause dmg to get xp. and they figure that once spotted they need to hide so that they can cause dmg later when 'hopefully' the opposing DD is gone.

People really underestimate the gains made through team assist
If your ship cant handle the knife fight. Doesn't matter, hang back that little bit to stay concealed. Keep all their ships spotted (don't even need to the their DD), just look out for any torps heading towards the ships behind you and ensure their cruisers and battleships stay visible.
Throw out some torps just to keep the enemy on their toes. Don't even need the range. Keep them guessing. People will move ahead of time if they see torps, just incase. Hell, you may even get a lucky shot in. Then fire your guns to harass otherwise engaged ships, or when you are likely going to win the engagement.

sure, you wont get the dmg, but you will be more likely to win, and that win bonus will usually net you more than a dmg focused loss would get you anyway

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1 hour ago, warboss_alex said:

A little bit of a rant - so fed up with destroyers rushing ahead and then popping smoke at the first sign of an enemy ship,usually another DD and thereby losing the ability to spot said enemy ships for the rest of the team whilst allowing said enemy ship to keep spotting me in my battleship so I get targeted by 4-5 enemy ships and then get walloped by the torps launched by said enemy ship - is even worse when the destroyer on my team has nestled up behind an island and then popped smoke coz they can't spot and also can't shoot or launch torps at any targets which their team mates have had to spot for them!  note to DD captains - your job is to cap caps and spot for the rest of your team - not to spend the whole battle hiding in your smoke!!

i just had you on my team in a iowa, cant say that you exactly helped support the DDs either

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I spot for you, you get huge damage, huge reward, all good and nice, what do I get? There is a reason why DDs smoke up early on, it is to preserve HP. May be you didn't notice, but once they get spotted they always lose a lot of HP, unlike you sitting back waiting for someone to spot.

 

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2 hours ago, warboss_alex said:

A little bit of a rant - so fed up with destroyers rushing ahead and then popping smoke at the first sign of an enemy ship,usually another DD and thereby losing the ability to spot said enemy ships for the rest of the team whilst allowing said enemy ship to keep spotting me in my battleship so I get targeted by 4-5 enemy ships and then get walloped by the torps launched by said enemy ship - is even worse when the destroyer on my team has nestled up behind an island and then popped smoke coz they can't spot and also can't shoot or launch torps at any targets which their team mates have had to spot for them!  note to DD captains - your job is to cap caps and spot for the rest of your team - not to spend the whole battle hiding in your smoke!!

You must be a campers. That is why u whine like this..DD spot, u stay back, shoot and shoot from safe distance?!!! Ohh nice tactic. There are times when I play DD I purposely leave allied BB .. why? so that, they will work, play and engage enemy by themselves. Well, that is when I see alot of campers in BB.

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Particularly in IJN DDs, I never get support.

 

And due to horrible dueling ability of IJN DDs, I just harass at torp range.

 

If my team supports me they'll get a screening smoke everytime, if they are camping, they don't - simplez.

 

And yes I stay with the team and go to designated caps.

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Oh I don't know... Maybe move up to support them for starters? That helps?

 

Also, it'll do the team good when BBs actually decide to go up and support CAs and DDs.

 

If I sound like I have no shred of empathy, sympathy or pitance to BBs in my reply here or else where, you're right. I'm sick of all the random and pointless ramblings by BB players against CV and DDs

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20 minutes ago, Velvet_Scarlantina said:

Oh I don't know... Maybe move up to support them for starters? That helps?

 

Yes, I support this, as BB it is our job to support our fleet, & we should be following our DDs & Cruisers, & covering their actions with our main guns.

23 minutes ago, Velvet_Scarlantina said:

Also, it'll do the team good when BBs actually decide to go up and support CAs and DDs.

This is what we should do, not camp at the back of the map like cowards, we can tank the damage, so we should be there being the target, so out cruisers & DDs can sneak around the rear of the enemy & surprise them, & also wipe out any enemies with our main guns.

29 minutes ago, Velvet_Scarlantina said:

 

If I sound like I have no shred of empathy, sympathy or pitance to BBs in my reply here or else where, you're right. I'm sick of all the random and pointless ramblings by BB players against CV and DDs

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,  I happen to be sick of DD players always whining & rambling against BBs, all they want to do is nerf nerf nerf the BBs, at the same time buff DD because they think its the only important ship in the game when it isn't.

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The "Fun" of this game, is in the dynamics of how each scenario is played, despite the RANDOMNESS that each player has to go through.  No Ship is really that OP, that it can hold on its own most of the time, each has a weakness.

If you want your BB "Strength"  to be maximized, support your spotting ships, tank for them.  DDs or even CLS can spot effectively if they are free to roam around.  Perhaps many dont know the dynamics of spotting, but still... help keep them or any in your team stay alive.. and what they see, you can see.  

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4 hours ago, Ordrazz said:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,  I happen to be sick of DD players always whining & rambling against BBs, all they want to do is nerf nerf nerf the BBs, at the same time buff DD because they think its the only important ship in the game when it isn't.

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What is even more marvelous is that BBs hide behind CV,

That's the very epitome of skill I tell you.

My CV really need to learn from those geniuses.

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As a DD I find I use smoke only when im in a capture zone and find that all those BBs and CAs that were behind me are nowhere to be found, I'm quite partial to a DD knife fight over a capture point but not when I have 5 enemy ships shooting at me from close range while my support is miles away. there are plenty of games where I'm happy to spot and stay hidden, but those are when I have support, if I'm out on my own I'm going to start worrying about me, not some BBs line of sight. DD tends to be a hard and thankless role that has the highest amount of demands placed on it after CVs, scout this, target that etc. It would be really nice if people cut DDs a little more slack.

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2 hours ago, drakon233 said:

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WHEEEEEEEEEEEE IM OFFICAL WG MEME NOW

Been spotted by ship smoke!

been spotted by radar/hydro smoke WAT!!!!!!!!!

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4 hours ago, Velvet_Scarlantina said:

What is even more marvelous is that BBs hide behind CV,

That's the very epitome of skill I tell you.

My CV really need to learn from those geniuses.

 

And then there are mensa-level genius DDs that opt to hide behind that marvelous BB, that is in turn, hidng behind CV, while I am a "dumb" BB on the front line struggling along with cruisers for a cap because all the enemy ships keep resetting me from capping. :Smile_trollface:

 

Passivity isn't limited to a certain class, but  surely the passive BBs are doing really ugly for the team since their job is to tank damage. However, passive DDs are even more egregious.

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Just got a,match where 5 v4 and 5 run like chicken when enemy fire first leaving my fletcher who cant run fast enough . This server is driving me mad knowing how ppl love to farm dmg while loathing and cursing to take any in return.

I hope devs can read this and implement way to stop this passive behaviour, it isnt fun, you are punished for trying to be active.

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22 hours ago, RimauLaut said:

You must be a campers. That is why u whine like this..DD spot, u stay back, shoot and shoot from safe distance?!!! Ohh nice tactic. There are times when I play DD I purposely leave allied BB .. why? so that, they will work, play and engage enemy by themselves. Well, that is when I see alot of campers in BB.

if you read what I said you would notice that I was moving up to support the DD which is why I was getting shot at by 5 different ships before I got to where he was  and I couldn't shoot back at those ships because I couldn't see them because my DD had smoked up and couldn';t spot anything whereas the enemy DD had not smoked up and therefore was able to spot me for the other members of his team - it is hard to support a DD if he hasn't actually spotted anything for you to shoot at!!

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20 hours ago, Velvet_Scarlantina said:

Oh I don't know... Maybe move up to support them for starters? That helps?

 

Also, it'll do the team good when BBs actually decide to go up and support CAs and DDs.

 

If I sound like I have no shred of empathy, sympathy or pitance to BBs in my reply here or else where, you're right. I'm sick of all the random and pointless ramblings by BB players against CV and DDs

I was moving up to support them which is why I was getting shot at by 5 different ships - the fact that the DD on my team had smoked up meant that he couldn't spot anythign and therefore I couldn't see anything to shoot back - also DDs are a lot faster than BBs so if he dashes off and then smokes up before I am in a position to suport him whose fault is that??

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10 hours ago, Admiral_Neptulussus said:

 

And then there are mensa-level genius DDs that opt to hide behind that marvelous BB, that is in turn, hidng behind CV, while I am a "dumb" BB on the front line struggling along with cruisers for a cap because all the enemy ships keep resetting me from capping. :Smile_trollface:

 

Passivity isn't limited to a certain class, but  surely the passive BBs are doing really ugly for the team since their job is to tank damage. However, passive DDs are even more egregious.

your's it's your fault that you camped the islands the last time i saw you, then you went off in chat about how "DDs not smokeing me up" and "DDs dont do jack" despite the fact the DDs went off and tried to cap, which ended up badly for them due to them having no support

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6 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

your's it's your fault that you camped the islands the last time i saw you, then you went off in chat about how "DDs not smokeing me up" and "DDs dont do jack" despite the fact the DDs went off and tried to cap, which ended up badly for them due to them having no support

in that battle on Haven there were 2 dds on my flank, a fletcher and a udaloi - the fletcher was 5 km on my right and the udaloi was 7 km in from and a bit to my left - i was being targeted by 4 ships and getting shot at before either of them spotted anything the fletcher then enter the B  cap, got spotted by an enemy DD and immediately smoked up and then left the cap, allowing the enemy dd to cap out using his smoke and shoot his torps at me - i couldn;t shoot back at the dd in order to support the fletcher since I couldn't see it - the udaloi had nestled up against an island so he couldnt see anyhing nor shoot at anything until the hipper and missouri came round the corner and belted him - it was my iowa, the der grobe, the udaloi and a roon that got killed immediately against the missouri, baltimore, hipper and yamato - i killed the baltimore and the missouri killed me - in that battle, all our DDS died (the one on your flank was the first to die!), they didnt cap anything, they didn't spot anything and they didnt do any damage - i was 5 km away from the fletcher when he went in the cap - i was not hiding at the back - also you can't really tall about not supporting anyone with the way that you and the hindenburg turned tail and ran, leaving our missouri to get torped by their fletcher

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23 minutes ago, warboss_alex said:

in that battle on Haven there were 2 dds on my flank, a fletcher and a udaloi - the fletcher was 5 km on my right and the udaloi was 7 km in from and a bit to my left - i was being targeted by 4 ships and getting shot at before either of them spotted anything the fletcher then enter the B  cap, got spotted by an enemy DD and immediately smoked up and then left the cap, allowing the enemy dd to cap out using his smoke and shoot his torps at me - i couldn;t shoot back at the dd in order to support the fletcher since I couldn't see it - the udaloi had nestled up against an island so he couldnt see anyhing nor shoot at anything until the hipper and missouri came round the corner and belted him - it was my iowa, the der grobe, the udaloi and a roon that got killed immediately against the missouri, baltimore, hipper and yamato - i killed the baltimore and the missouri killed me - in that battle, all our DDS died (the one on your flank was the first to die!), they didnt cap anything, they didn't spot anything and they didnt do any damage - i was 5 km away from the fletcher when he went in the cap - i was not hiding at the back - also you can't really tall about not supporting anyone with the way that you and the hindenburg turned tail and ran, leaving our missouri to get torped by their fletcher

you do realize the missouri pushed me out of the island broadsided and yoloed in againt vastly supior forces right, if not for the fact my HP got taken down to 7k in less then 10s(pushed out broadsided), and after he yoloed in we lost the only BB on that side, and you tell us to keep pushing?

 

 

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52 minutes ago, drakon233 said:

you do realize the missouri pushed me out of the island broadsided and yoloed in againt vastly supior forces right, if not for the fact my HP got taken down to 7k in less then 10s(pushed out broadsided), and after he yoloed in we lost the only BB on that side, and you tell us to keep pushing?

 

 

 just goes to show how difficult it is to accurately see what is going on on the other side of the battlefield! Anyway, we have met in two battles since this back and forth started!  One battle where yet again the DD on my flank hid behind the island and smoked up, although I did get the pleasure of citadelling you in that battle; the other where we were on the same team where the benson rushed ahead before we were in a position to support it and died!!

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