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ok so . due to my experience to American ships

they are weaker than the competitiors in terms of fighting. and I think most of them needs buff (the newly buffed American ships don't need one)

here's the list that needs buffs and shit

"Pensacola New Orleans North Carolina Colorado and the destroyers(only Concealment tho)

wanna know why I put these ships in my list?

1)Pensacola don't have torps compared to myoko and myoko has higher HP pool with torpedo bulges and shit

2)New Orleans might be stealth but it cant do almost anything in close range. No Torps Almost no protection and no smoke. GIVE THIS SHIP SOME SMOKE! 

3) North Carolina Needs Accuracy buff or Reload buff .Anyway I read the Historic files of the NC and it says the speed is 28 but Ingame it's 27 WG WTF!!

4) Like I said about the Destroyers. they only need little bit of concealment buff

that's all for the USN

although I'm more concerned about the British cruisers though.. they weak as F

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I'm not sure why you think the N.C has accuracy issues. To me its probably one of the most accurate. Colorado does have accuracy issues and i hated playing it, and this alone nearly made me quit US Battleship line.

I have only gotten to the Omaha so far, and though its not a bad ship, it feels boring. So i leveled up my Soviet to T8 and its a lot of fun.

As far as destroyers go i prefer the Soviet line, i like the play style of them as they play similar to a cruiser.

 

If anything needs work doing on it, thats the US Carriers. They feel so uninspiring.

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No, no smoke on New Orleans. The concealment is already great and you can surprise 8" AP to broadsiding Mogamis all day long. USN CAs historically didn't have torpedoes mounted on. CVs are not that frequent in mid-tier and Pensacola-New Orleans AA are pretty crap for USN CA so you may get hydro instead of DFAA to spot for torpedoes.

 

USN DDs are single most OP line of destroyer in the game that the only nerf they got was stealth fire nerf - which was a global nerf. Doesn't need any concealment buff.

 

>NC accuracy buff

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the USN dont have torpedo in exchange of greater AA. and the USN ship is great for camping behind island, their arc shell is really annoying when you cannt shoot them back. i will be more happy if USN CA have torpedo but weaker AA.

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44 minutes ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

 

4) Like I said about the Destroyers. they only need little bit of concealment buff

Hmmm...  I wouldnt mind.  BUT... this BUFF will be the target of many other DDS.  the US DD line is actually one of the best ALL ROUNDERS already in the game.  ONLY IJN DDs can outmatch US dds.. specially in Mid to High Tier.

On its own.. US dds are deadly as is.

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NC accuracy buff?

nah. she doesnt need any. she has hard time hitting long range not because of the accuracy. but, because of her slow shell.


25 minutes ago, kultabashi said:

ONLY IJN DDs can outmatch US dds.. specially in Mid to High Tier.

only in concealment department. (except shimakaze)

other than concealment. USN DD rekt the IJN DD very easily.

and yeah. USN DD is the best all rounder DD.


Pensacola is not shit anymore after that Uber concealment buff that makes her 2nd best stealty cruiser at tier 7


its hard to carry well in NO. but the ship it self is fine tough. not bad. but she received the reload buff just few patch ago.

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23 minutes ago, ReNation said:

 


only in concealment department. (except shimakaze)

other than concealment. USN DD rekt the IJN DD very easily.

and yeah. USN DD is the best all rounder DD.


 

Youre right ReNation:)

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Some USN Ships are weak

Well duh

So are IJN ships (in fact almost Half of the destroyer tech tree are kinda weak)

So are RN Ships

So are Soviet Ships

So are Kriegsmarine Ships

So are French Ships

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7 hours ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

1)Pensacola don't have torps compared to myoko and myoko has higher HP pool with torpedo bulges and shit

2)New Orleans might be stealth but it cant do almost anything in close range. No Torps Almost no protection and no smoke. GIVE THIS SHIP SOME SMOKE! 

3) North Carolina Needs Accuracy buff or Reload buff .Anyway I read the Historic files of the NC and it says the speed is 28 but Ingame it's 27 WG WTF!!

4) Like I said about the Destroyers. they only need little bit of concealment buff

 

1) Pensacola can be a difficult ship to play, however definitely no to torps, USN didn't do that.

2) No. USN Cruisers are escort cruisers. They have much better AA. To top this off they have more charges of 'Defensive AA' from 6+.

New Orleans and higher get access to Radar, which is currently broken. IJN don't.

Sounds like you need to watch some youtube videos on playing to Pensa/NO strengths, they are a different play style to IJN CAs.

3) NC is probably the standout BB of tier 8. Amagi and Bismark are good, but NC knocks them out of the park. She has amazing AA and is an all-round great BB. An accuracy buff to NC would remove any balance at tier 8 BBs.
4) USN DDs are best in the game at almost all tiers. A DDs job is to cap, scout, smoke. USN DDs cap better than almost all others due to their close-focused gunnery (quick firing, quick turning guns). Their smoke is the best in the game, allowing for awesome screening for allies/yourself. Their torps are 2nd only to IJN, and arguably better given the current spotted range of IJN torps. If you gave these guys more concealment they would literally do everything as a DD better than other nations.

 

Yes Pensa/USN Cruisers can feel overmatched however they excel in other areas. Your other suggestions are asking for buffs to ships that are already at the head of the pack.

Particularly with DDs, try capping against a USN DD with an IJN DD, trust me you won't be asking for a concealment buff after that experience.

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7 hours ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

ok so . due to my experience to American ships

they are weaker than the competitiors in terms of fighting. and I think most of them needs buff (the newly buffed American ships don't need one)

here's the list that needs buffs and shit

"Pensacola New Orleans North Carolina Colorado and the destroyers(only Concealment tho)

wanna know why I put these ships in my list?

1)Pensacola don't have torps compared to myoko and myoko has higher HP pool with torpedo bulges and shit

what you're forgetting is Pensacola is an american cruiser with 8" US guns, so that means she can (given the circumstances) delete said myoko faster than myoko deletes pensacola. If we're talking about her having torps, either the stock hull have them or make a new one, also considering that IJN CA captains tend to go broadside to fire all their guns gives pensacola a chance to really wreck her

2)New Orleans might be stealth but it cant do almost anything in close range. No Torps Almost no protection and no smoke. GIVE THIS SHIP SOME SMOKE! 

she already received enough buffs for now, first reload time then concealment. Meaning if she's built prioritizing stealth she can be a death sentence to any DD that spot her added with the reload that's faster than prebuff.

3) North Carolina Needs Accuracy buff or Reload buff .Anyway I read the Historic files of the NC and it says the speed is 28 but Ingame it's 27 WG WTF!!

yeah I can't really comment about this one

4) Like I said about the Destroyers. they only need little bit of concealment buff

that's all for the USN

they don't need neither a buff or a nerf, they're already good in their current condition (heck, really good)

although I'm more concerned about the British cruisers though.. they weak as F

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And USN CA don't really need torps, they don't even equip them in real life

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You cannot expected every ships like ZAO and Yamato.

 

some USN CA may under powered when compare with other same tier ship.

 

but What if Wargaming buff them? So people will ask the same thing again, buff their favorite ships。

 

its a never ending circle.

 

 

 

 

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Come to think of it... many of the US ships are devastating, as long as they are played properly.   US DDs,  US CLs/CAs even.  

Many think they are bad, because they are compared directly to their contemporaries.    Different Doctrines, Different Schools of Thought, Different uses... Hence, different play styles.

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8 hours ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

1)Pensacola don't have torps compared to myoko and myoko has higher HP pool with torpedo bulges and shit

2)New Orleans might be stealth but it cant do almost anything in close range. No Torps Almost no protection and no smoke. GIVE THIS SHIP SOME SMOKE! 

3) North Carolina Needs Accuracy buff or Reload buff .Anyway I read the Historic files of the NC and it says the speed is 28 but Ingame it's 27 WG WTF!!

4) Like I said about the Destroyers. they only need little bit of concealment buff

that's all for the USN

1) Pensacola has amazing AP that allows her to melt any cruiser showing a tiny bit of broadside. Probably the best anti cruiser cruiser at tier 7

2) NO is weak, that is true, somehow I enjoyed Pensacola more than NO. But she doesn't need smoke, she need repair party imo

3) https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/23968-north-carolina-guide-updated/

4) No

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The only beef I have with NC's gun is when they "unified" the degree of normalization for shells. Back then the USN super heavy shells were having better normalization angle than the others and this results in better penetrations against the angled targets.

 

The "super heavy shells" now with gimped normalization, combined with low speed will not perform much better, if not outright worse than the IJN counterparts on most of the meaningful engagement distances.

 

 

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2 hours ago, silenthunter19944 said:

1) Pensacola has amazing AP that allows her to melt any cruiser showing a tiny bit of broadside. Probably the best anti cruiser cruiser at tier 7

2) NO is weak, that is true, somehow I enjoyed Pensacola more than NO. But she doesn't need smoke, she need repair party imo

3) https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/23968-north-carolina-guide-updated/

4) No

 

1. yes it's true, despite their current buff, pepsi and NO is still weak. warships.today's 2 week stats has proved that. They still have among the lowest average damage 

    but they have been buff recently though it doesn't really help their stats. imho they really and will do well in T6 and T7 respectively, perhaps too well.

    but while I struggle in NO, I really did enjoy the pepsi very much, her guns are quite good. at the end of my NO grind though, I finally get to know how to play her      

    and somewhat enjoy her, what a shame.  

    pepsi remains as one of my favourite cruisers

3. coming from a strong colorado to a squishy NC is quite a shocker for most people including me. took me a while to get to realize NC is a huge battlecruiser rather

    than a BB. it's just so frustrating that she's not really a sniper and can't really brawl

4. say what?! if you buff their CE, ijn dds captains would go for a strike!!! don't be ridiculous!!!

 

them again, i'm just a potato, what do i know:Smile-_tongue:

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8 minutes ago, blacknoheart said:

coming from a strong colorado to a squishy NC is quite a shocker for most people including me. took me a while to get to realize NC is a huge battlecruiser rather than a BB

 

Only on the first 50 games of so for me that I felt NC is squishier than Colorado.

 

Today I feel that the Colorado is barely any tankier than the Nagato armor wise. Your fantastic 343 mm belt doesn't do much at all when people begin to aim their 16+ inches at the deck and upper hull, where you will eat full penetration damage every time those 16+ inches touch. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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4 minutes ago, Admiral_Neptulussus said:

 

Only on the first 50 games of so for me that I felt NC is squishier than Colorado.

 

Today I feel that the Colorado is barely any tankier than the Nagato armor wise. Your fantastic 343 mm belt doesn't do much at all when people begin to aim their 16+ inches at the deck and upper hull, where you will eat full penetration damage every time those 16+ inches touch it. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

that's true

however T7 MM is much more forgiving than the devastating T8 match which see alot more yamatos and GKs than T7 seeing FDGs and Missouris

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11 hours ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

ok so . due to my experience to American ships

they are weaker than the competitiors in terms of fighting. and I think most of them needs buff (the newly buffed American ships don't need one)

here's the list that needs buffs and shit

"Pensacola New Orleans North Carolina Colorado and the destroyers(only Concealment tho)

wanna know why I put these ships in my list?

1)Pensacola don't have torps compared to myoko and myoko has higher HP pool with torpedo bulges and shit

Pensacola is a bit weak.

2)New Orleans might be stealth but it cant do almost anything in close range. No Torps Almost no protection and no smoke. GIVE THIS SHIP SOME SMOKE! 

Dude what? The New Orleans is very strong at staying bow on and radaring caps. She is currently competitive enough.

3) North Carolina Needs Accuracy buff or Reload buff .Anyway I read the Historic files of the NC and it says the speed is 28 but Ingame it's 27 WG WTF!!

North carolina is currently very good at bow tanking and dealing good damage at the same time. Her AA is also formidable.

4) Like I said about the Destroyers. they only need little bit of concealment buff

Nah, USN are the most competitive DDs in the game currently.

that's all for the USN

although I'm more concerned about the British cruisers though.. they weak as F

British cruisers are very strong tier 7+

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If anyone here thinks the NO is weak, it might look like it because of a change in playstyle from the pensacola. I suggest that you guys watch some guides which would help you play it better.

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NC is weak ? you are the one that weak

USN DD need coancelment buff ? they are the best DD line in game

 

its not the ship line that have problem, its you

 

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First of Pensacola is the most maneuverable "heavy" cruiser in the game. She also has good AA for her tier and awesome concealment rating as a bonus.
Comparing her firepower to counterparts you might think she has nothing but then she has better AP shell "normalization" than all other counterparts. Why do you want more.

Ok let's see about New Orleans. Again she's still the most maneuverable out of all other counterparts, Same firepower as pensacola but has faster RoF.
Concealment comparable to Atago which has the best concealment rating possible for cruiser. 

Unlike Atago you have radar which you can use instantly after you're spotted to see who's spotting you since you only have 100 meters of radar range gap to your concealment.
However she has the lowest hp pool out of all tier 8 cruisers.

Enough of this BB Accuracy buff already you do realise 1 citadel hit on a cruiser = 30% or half of their hp is gone and 1 penetration = 10% of their HP is gone.
Not to mention 1 overpen on DD = 10% of their hp is gone and penetration = 30% of their hp is gone AND their in game scale is already big for you to land battleship caliber guns on them.
I play North Carolina myself and her accuracy is so grouped together its all up to the players to AIM and LEAD correctly. 

Did I mention North Carolina also has the best concealment rating and AA rating out of all tier 8 battleships !?

As for US Destroyers do you know this is the most picked can be seen in "Fishing Division" for a reason ?

You can't have it all.

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