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Montana vs Yamato

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I don't know if I'm just crap at BBs but  I have real trouble dealing with Yamatos in the Montana, even more then i had in the Iowa.

So I've had enough of bashing my head against the wall so I figured I would ask for others opinions before the salt content in my body eclipses water.

 

I try to sneak up on them when possible but the opportunities to do so are rare due to Monty's speed and concealment and the only way I've had any luck with when dealing with a bow on Yamato is to approach at an angle to try and mitigate the dreaded bow citadels (coughbalancedcough) and attempt to citadel them through that sweet spot where the citadel armor is flat through the side of the bow underneath the front two turrets, this usually costs me a very large chunk of my HP and is near impossible to pull off against a competent captain or a Yamato with escorts because you end up burning to death or with torpedos shoved where they really don't belong.

 

TLDR: How do you all deal with Yamatos in your Montana.

 

Thanks in advance

 

EDIT: To clarify; I love the Montana and the issues I'm having are infinitely more likely to be captain error rather than her.

I don't want anyone to think I'm bashing the ship.

Thanks again for the advice

 

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Bow citadel is only a problem if you get too close to Yamato. First of all, you don't 1v1 a Yamato with anything short of gk. Let your HE spamming teammates take care of Yamato while you take care of their HE spammers.

 

On desperate attempts, don't slow down, do a drive by against Yamato. You may eat a few bow citadel hits, but as long as you have enough HP, it's not the end of the day. At close range Yamato won't be able to track you. Slow turrets.

 

Montana is arguably the best tx BB. Doesn't mean she has to win 1v1 against every other ship. It depends on how well she can perform her role.

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actually. at the current state. montana is MUCH MUCH better than yamato. especially after the citadel buff. it is VERY hard(tough still possible) to citadel montana.

 

what yamato has is only that lol pen from 460mm gun. she has nothing else. which is only produce overpen most of time if u aim for that overmatch.

manouverability? speed? concealment? turret traverse? raw alpha damage? accuracy? secondary?  all inferior compared to other BBs

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One of the most important things is to stay out of 12km range, at closer than this i have found that i just eat massive damage unless i have flanked them. At medium to long range if you aim between the second turret and superstructure you can deal massive damage including citadels at 20km+ ranges.

 

Also getting into a 1v1 with a Yamato is one the last things you should do in the Montana I've found I'm better off deleting the CA's and low tier BB's while leaving the Yamato mostly to be HE spammed to death by your own CA's, while saying this if he is broadside pump that accurate AP into him.

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18 minutes ago, Bob778_ said:

One of the most important things is to stay out of 12km range, at closer than this i have found that i just eat massive damage unless i have flanked them. At medium to long range if you aim between the second turret and superstructure you can deal massive damage including citadels at 20km+ ranges.

 

Also getting into a 1v1 with a Yamato is one the last things you should do in the Montana I've found I'm better off deleting the CA's and low tier BB's while leaving the Yamato mostly to be HE spammed to death by your own CA's, while saying this if he is broadside pump that accurate AP into him.

I think this here is one of my biggest problems, I felt that it was atleast partially my responsibility to engage the enemy Tier 10 BBs, guess that notion of an outside view is true after all,

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i dont have both but i can tell that Montana is more scary to be fight with, especially when you use Cruiser

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Montana , Missouri can,be considered borderline OP now as their lowered citadel significantly boost their toughness.Now i see too many Montana happily swing their broadside and nail the enemy team with that 12x13k5 shells of destruction.

 

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11 minutes ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

uhhh. no North Carolina buff?

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North Carolina wasn't as bas as Iowa/Missouri/Montana.

 

Alabama is very easy to citadel... I recall WG was going to buff the citadel but don't know if that actually happened in the end.

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On 6/10/2017 at 8:00 PM, Pocket_Fox said:

 

North Carolina wasn't as bas as Iowa/Missouri/Montana.

 

Alabama is very easy to citadel... I recall WG was going to buff the citadel but don't know if that actually happened in the end.

Alabama citadel is the same as NC when it actually was released so... :Smile_hiding:

 

 

On 6/10/2017 at 7:36 PM, THAI_THIEF said:

bwoah It's seem nothing difference because I shot them broadside got 7 cit 

Depends if you did it pre-patch or post-patch. Getting 7 cits with the lowered citadel means 84k+ damage which is a lottery winning volley at range considering RNG. If it's close-up, then actually getting close while the target still has ~72k+ HP is noteworthy, and getting 7 cits close up needs a straight up waterline shot which would need to be quite ideal.

 

 

57 minutes ago, THAI_THIEF said:

are they easily catch fire?

Easily catching fire is a technical myth as far as the game files go. Higher tier ships catch fire less and that's it. Most of the other factors would depend on captain skills of the receiver or the fire starting capabilities of the shell hitter.

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montana has higher range than yamato and use your HE Firecrackers to burn this Tojo up

also .isn't the 16" gun shells from montana Super Heavy Shells?-  I don't think super heavy shells are enough

give iowa and montana the Nuclear Shells!!!

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6 minutes ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

montana has higher range than yamato and use your HE Firecrackers to burn this Tojo up

also .isn't the 16" gun shells from montana Super Heavy Shells?-  I don't think super heavy shells are enough

give iowa and montana the Nuclear Shells!!!

Tactical nukes were never implemented for naval guns you know , AFAIK land arty was tested with it until they saw that missiles were a much better platform to deliver the nukes.

Russia was more fond of the concept that NATO though , and that influence those that has ties with former USSR.

North Korea is likely as not developing nuke arty since they have so many of those around

SHS shells are used starting from NC and Baltimore , penetration and damage wise it is the best of the tier , but the gun arc leave much to be desired as in game range do not allow these shells to do plunging fire on decks at acceptable engagement range

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1 hour ago, legionary2099 said:

Tactical nukes were never implemented for naval guns you know , AFAIK land arty was tested with it until they saw that missiles were a much better platform to deliver the nukes.

Russia was more fond of the concept that NATO though , and that influence those that has ties with former USSR.

North Korea is likely as not developing nuke arty since they have so many of those around

SHS shells are used starting from NC and Baltimore , penetration and damage wise it is the best of the tier , but the gun arc leave much to be desired as in game range do not allow these shells to do plunging fire on decks at acceptable engagement range

No, the Iowa did actually have nuclear shells designed for it, it's the W23 nuclear artillery shell if I'm not mistaken

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