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Lexington should be buffed before Enterprise release

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I think Lexington should be buffed before Enterprise is release, let me justify this if anyone disagrees:

 

1) What does Shokaku and Enterprise have in common? - They can both get air supremacy from a 1/1/1 Lexington (leaving skill out) with ease , For a line that's meant to be famed for Air supremacy this should receive some attention (yes enterprise can beat Lexington in click dogfight I did some maths taking air supremacy skill & fighter mod(that gives 20% more survivability does not include dogfighting expert which would benefit enterprise even more))

2) 013 Lexington - earning hatred since it existed. Lexington players need another viable loadout that isn't a magnet for comments such as "N00B CV at X coordinates pls kill him"

3) Not only can Enterprise and Shokaku get air supremacy from Lexington easily they both can out damage Lexington (especially enterprise - 5x2 torpedo bombers make up for lack of DB damage but there are still 2 DB squad, enterprise players will enjoy a nice strike capability better than that of Lexington 013 with the benefit of fighters and more skill based damage dealing

 

I personally think Lexington should receive 211 so that it 1)performs as advertised (Air supremacy as US trait) and out damaging shokaku shouldn't be an issue when you take into account that although 211 would do more damage shokaku with 312 (load out & commander skill) would still have the edge (15 IJN fighters vs 14 USN ones) 2) provides a more attractive load out instead of 013 (Since this is A loadout that can both get air supremacy AND still do damage) and 3)If it can't out damage the two (enterprise and shokaku) then it should at least be able to deal a decent about of damage (although not as much as enterprise and shokaku). Also like IJN on which Shokaku's upgraded strike loadout (IJN national favour is striking ability) becomes the stock one on Taihou, Lexington's upgraded Air supremacy loadout (which should be changed into 211) becomes stock on essex.

 

That way it will be

Air supremacy

Lexington>Shokaku>Enterprise

Strike

Enterprise>Shokaku>Lexington

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USN is already fine.... do you want versatile? play IJN CV

 

WHERE IS HIRYU BUFF?? Saipan OP, at least Hiryu need T7 TB

and if they buff USN, REDUCE all squadron to 5 for each. 

 

and LEXINGTON AA need NERF! i am almost never sunk strike lexington with AA build.... talking about balance....

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Lexington should be 2-1-1 or 2-1-0 for Air Superiority, 1-1-2 for Strike.

The lack of flexibility really hurts the USN line and it is why IJN CVs are superior.

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48 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

USN is already fine.... do you want versatile? play IJN CV

 

Trolling here are you ??? As the USN CV line isn't fine as anyone with a working knowledge of this game will tell you.

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24 minutes ago, Thyaliad said:

Lexington should be 2-1-1 or 2-1-0 for Air Superiority, 1-1-2 for Strike.

The lack of flexibility really hurts the USN line and it is why IJN CVs are superior.

AS load out 202 OK

Strike load out 112 is good:cap_like:

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1 hour ago, Skarhabek said:

USN is already fine.... do you want versatile? play IJN CV

 

WHERE IS HIRYU BUFF?? Saipan OP, at least Hiryu need T7 TB

and if they buff USN, REDUCE all squadron to 5 for each. 

 

and LEXINGTON AA need NERF! i am almost never sunk strike lexington with AA build.... talking about balance....

USN is already fine… I would say that for DM or Montana, their recent protection buff isn't really necessary. But USN CV, are they fine?

Even a surface only player like me knows clearly high tier USN CV are bad.

 

Brutality is no longer the core of CV gameplay, it's version 0.6.6 now not 0.5 0. Winning games in high tier rely heavily on securing cap, for CV it means spotting and destroyer hunting. And IJN does better than USN in both tasks. Balanced and fine?

 

Hiryu needs no buff. Ranger needs it. Hiryu is a T7 CV's optimal performance, while Ranger is stupid and Saipan is OP.

 

I seriously don't understand why you want to sink a Lexington so desperately. Just outperform him and win the battle.

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Just now, _Halcyon said:

I seriously don't understand why you want to sink a Lexington so desperately. Just outperform him and win the battle.

 

its prove of balance, if Lexington got the IJN versatility. lexington will be OP, it can snipe IJN CV but IJN cannt snipe USN.

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7 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

 

its prove of balance, if Lexington got the IJN versatility. lexington will be OP, it can snipe IJN CV but IJN cannt snipe USN.

You simply don't go CV sniping, that's it.

Let me give you an example to demonstrate how bad the Lexington is.

My friend just got his Lexington. Of his 42 battles in this ship, only 18 were won. I, being his surface AA platform in my Kutuzov, observed how he played. I can confidently say he is good, with excellent awareness and responsible for team support. Yes he is going 0/1/3 but he actively screen cap, bomb critical ships and guide the team. He has an average of 110K. So, that much damage, with a Kutuzov also doing much damage down the surface, getting a 43% WR, is that sufficient to prove how stupid the Lexington is?

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Long long ago… Lexington got 2-1-1 flight control as stock load.:fish_book:

 

Sigh.

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Just now, _Halcyon said:

You simply don't go CV sniping, that's it.

Let me give you an example to demonstrate how bad the Lexington is.

My friend just got his Lexington. Of his 42 battles in this ship, only 18 were won. I, being his surface AA platform in my Kutuzov, observed how he played. I can confidently say he is good, with excellent awareness and responsible for team support. Yes he is going 0/1/3 but he actively screen cap, bomb critical ships and guide the team. He has an average of 110K. So, that much damage, with a Kutuzov also doing much damage down the surface, getting a 43% WR, is that sufficient to prove how stupid the Lexington is?

 

my point is Lexington is already strong. if it got 2/1/1 loadout, lexington will own everything! air supremacy, heavy strike, and immune to air attack. if WG planning to buff lexington, at least its AA should be reduced OR the squadron reduced into 5 each (at least the fighter).

 

the 2/0/2 is already balanced, the problem is with strike 0/1/3. it should be 1/1/2 instead (no other change).

 

btw, an empty DB of lexington can perma spot shokaku. shokaku fighter cannt catch it, because its speed is so fast.

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3 hours ago, Skarhabek said:

 

my point is Lexington is already strong. if it got 2/1/1 loadout, lexington will own everything! air supremacy, heavy strike, and immune to air attack. if WG planning to buff lexington, at least its AA should be reduced OR the squadron reduced into 5 each (at least the fighter).

 

the 2/0/2 is already balanced, the problem is with strike 0/1/3. it should be 1/1/2 instead (no other change).

 

btw, an empty DB of lexington can perma spot shokaku. shokaku fighter cannt catch it, because its speed is so fast.

really dude, 2-0-2 is balanced?
in 2-0-2 if you want to strafe enemy planes you have to make sure enemy shokaku is stupid enough to group their 2 torpedo bombers and 2 dive bombers together, while shokaku can easily strafe lexington only 2 dive bombers, even if enemy lexington split their squadron shokaku can strafe half of his strike power, not to mention shokaku can cross drop enemy DD with 2 torpedo bombers and shokaku dive bombers can actually hit DD, you really have to rellies heavily on RNG to hit DD with lexington dive bombers.
there is a reason why not so many people playing high tier USN CV, and i'm sure it's not because USN CV is balanced

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USN CVs are not balanced and that is end of it... they need to be worked on but WG doesn't exactly have much of their staff playing CVs.. 

Which already has proven by WG itself... removing alt attacks but T5 CVs can face T6 CV which have access to alt attacks(if one of the T6 CV is less skilled opposite T6 CV will be in full control of the air and the battle)but no we don't have to take this into consideration...

Recent Kaga's really weird TB drops I mean what's the point??? for me I've never took a Torpedo hit from Kaga's TBs.. Heard that Enterprice is gonna have new TB drop... don't know why you wanna do that I mean normal drops were working fine...

Then USN Fighters add more planes, more health, more ammo... and where as IJN Fighters less planes but a bit more HP for single fighter but with all the skills and mods added IJN is still no match for USN...(You need to out play USN to get those fighters out of the sky)

Loadouts...lul now lets talk about player base once I had a fellow forumer who was in Ranger 202 which was fine but things got pretty bad because enemy CV (Hiryu 222) was freely killing the DDs and almost killed a DD when other players asked to save the team he said "I cannot be everywhere". which was fine by me then realised after the game he had shot down 9 planes and was from last to 3rd(202 doesn't give you damage yes but what happen to the job of shutting enemy CV down?)..surely  I thought enemy CV had shot down his planes but to my surprise he was in top 5 shot down 8 planes(lul)... 

At this point I was missing something... a USN CV with 202 loadout has lost to a hiryu... with all the fighter buffs it got...

 

Back to the topic USN CVs are not balanced and need a rework... 

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You @Skarhabek

Should really try playing it before unleash your word right from your derb mouth

 

No sane Player call USN CV balanced after playing with them a couple of games (unless you often meet other lexington)

 

Your stats also says that you dont even have good enough skill to match proper Shokaku player but doing just fine against lexy

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8 hours ago, Skarhabek said:

USN is already fine.... do you want versatile? play IJN CV

 

WHERE IS HIRYU BUFF?? Saipan OP, at least Hiryu need T7 TB

and if they buff USN, REDUCE all squadron to 5 for each. 

 

and LEXINGTON AA need NERF! i am almost never sunk strike lexington with AA build.... talking about balance....

Why would you try to sink him? Your better off just getting air kills from hims, then you can afford your repair bill.

Hiryu need buff.... At least hiryu can do something right, not like ranger, reduce USN squad to 5 won't help the situation, USN would just be UP again

Lexington AA is fine, you won't be flying by that AA in most battles unless you try to snipe, in that case, thats the point of lexington AA - to prevent sniping

 

5 hours ago, Skarhabek said:

 

my point is Lexington is already strong. if it got 2/1/1 loadout, lexington will own everything! air supremacy, heavy strike, and immune to air attack. if WG planning to buff lexington, at least its AA should be reduced OR the squadron reduced into 5 each (at least the fighter).

 

the 2/0/2 is already balanced, the problem is with strike 0/1/3. it should be 1/1/2 instead (no other change).

 

btw, an empty DB of lexington can perma spot shokaku. shokaku fighter cannt catch it, because its speed is so fast.

Currently, Shokaku own everything, 312 gets air supremacy (15 IJN planes vs 14 USN ones) 222 get everything includes air supremcy if you up against anything except 202 Lexington. 122 (stock shokaku) is the only loadout that does not get air suprmacy on a regular basis (still can against 111 if you know how to barrage but it'll be tough against lexington players who regularly have to fight 2 IJN FT with 1 USN FT.

Edit:Don't forget that soon there will be 2 differnt CVs clubbing lexington (enterprise is part of this article too)

 

6 hours ago, Shibeta said:

Long long ago…Lexington got 2-1-1 flight control as stock load.:fish_book:

 

Sigh.

Yes I know that, but this is a re introduction as an upgraded loadout and not without reason.

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7 hours ago, Skarhabek said:

 

my point is Lexington is already strong. if it got 2/1/1 loadout, lexington will own everything! air supremacy, heavy strike, and immune to air attack. if WG planning to buff lexington, at least its AA should be reduced OR the squadron reduced into 5 each (at least the fighter).

You have absolutely no idea don't you?

7 hours ago, Skarhabek said:

 

btw, an empty DB of lexington can perma spot shokaku. shokaku fighter cannt catch it, because its speed is so fast.

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10 hours ago, Skarhabek said:

 

my point is Lexington is already strong. if it got 2/1/1 loadout, lexington will own everything! air supremacy, heavy strike, and immune to air attack. if WG planning to buff lexington, at least its AA should be reduced OR the squadron reduced into 5 each (at least the fighter).

 

the 2/0/2 is already balanced, the problem is with strike 0/1/3. it should be 1/1/2 instead (no other change).

 

btw, an empty DB of lexington can perma spot shokaku. shokaku fighter cannt catch it, because its speed is so fast.

If you think Lexington is strong enough, it means you, as a Shokaku, performed only Lexington level, which is below Shokaku average. An average Shokaku can outperform average Lexington with ease.

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the only thing they need to buff is the stock loadout .1/1/1? Really? even tho the Lex have a Wide and Long Deck Style!?:Smile-angry:

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3 hours ago, Vorshlaghammer666 said:

the only thing they need to buff is the stock loadout .1/1/1? Really? even tho the Lex have a Wide and Long Flight deck!?:Smile-angry:

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I Think I can see where your going with this, That concealment is horrible, and thats how I got poor on credits - cause that concealment mod cost me a fortune and my North Carolina still has better concealment. Also yes 111 need buff but then WG probably not be happy with a stock loadout being better than an upgraded one

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you guys must know i am potato. but i can tell if something is OP or not based on comparison what it can do compared to other. 

 

Just now, _Halcyon said:

If you think Lexington is strong enough, it means you, as a Shokaku, performed only Lexington level, which is below Shokaku average. An average Shokaku can outperform average Lexington with ease.

 

Just now, silenthunter19944 said:

You have absolutely no idea don't you?

 

Just now, BravaZulu296 said:

Why would you try to sink him? Your better off just getting air kills from hims, then you can afford your repair bill.

Hiryu need buff.... At least hiryu can do something right, not like ranger, reduce USN squad to 5 won't help the situation, USN would just be UP again

Lexington AA is fine, you won't be flying by that AA in most battles unless you try to snipe, in that case, thats the point of lexington AA - to prevent sniping

 

can you kill AA build lexington with Shokaku strike? of course NO

can strike lexington outdamaged a strike Shokaku ? assume the Shokaku is a good player but the lexington player IS FAR BETTER...

can strike lexington got division with 2 AA build ship ?  making the weaker Shokaku plane useless......

 

now WHAT WILL YOU DO if you got a match with FULL AA BUILD ship? of course the best choice is snipe the enemy CV :V

if the enemy CV got deleted, you can all out to lose all plane. dealing some damage before being useless is more usefull rather than doing nothing.

on other scenario (if survived), the AA ship will cover the CV from another wave strike. leaving the other ship so less AA screen.

 

tell me if you got a match with 1 DM, 1 minotaur and 1 AA build missouri as opponent. your enemy CV is a lexington with strike loadout, but your team got NO AA SHIP. of course strike lexington will got a lot of advantage since it can attack but you cant. if the AA on lexington is standart, you can snipe it to prevent further strike. or it will force DM or other AA ship to cover lexington, less AA for their team. or in another case the lexington will get closer to team so you only need to spot it from behind. leaving it vulnerable to artilery strike. 

 

but what will happen if lexington got great AA? it can untouchable and spotting it will cost you plane per second :V

 

well, i will admit lexington is not versatile and depend so much on their team. of course give 1 fighter to strike is sufficient to protect important allies or to escort the strike wave.

 

if you keep insist on asking why try to snipe lexington, why try to play USN if you can got what you want on IJN?

 

Just now, Harpoon01 said:

You @Skarhabek

Should really try playing it before unleash your word right from your derb mouth

No sane Player call USN CV balanced after playing with them a couple of games (unless you often meet other lexington)

Your stats also says that you dont even have good enough skill to match proper Shokaku player but doing just fine against lexy

 

i am already on langley, farming to 10pts commander skill before getting bogue.

 

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23 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

can you kill AA build lexington with Shokaku strike? of course NO

can strike lexington outdamaged a strike Shokaku ? assume the Shokaku is a good player but the lexington player IS FAR BETTER...

can strike lexington got division with 2 AA build ship ?  making the weaker Shokaku plane useless......

now WHAT WILL YOU DO if you got a match with FULL AA BUILD ship? of course the best choice is snipe the enemy CV :V

if the enemy CV got deleted, you can all out to lose all plane. dealing some damage before being useless is more usefull rather than doing nothing.

on other scenario (if survived), the AA ship will cover the CV from another wave strike. leaving the other ship so less AA screen.

why would you tried to snipe enemy lexington??? 
if you get to a match with so many AA ship, sniping enemy CV and particulary Lexington is the worst tactic i can think of, not only you literally have to fly your planes across the map full of enemy AA but by the time you reach enemy lexington he can use his DFAA rendering your sniping effort useless

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26 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

you guys must know i am potato. but i can tell if something is OP or not based on comparison what it can do compared to other. 

 

 

 

 

can you kill AA build lexington with Shokaku strike? of course NO

can strike lexington outdamaged a strike Shokaku ? assume the Shokaku is a good player but the lexington player IS FAR BETTER...

can strike lexington got division with 2 AA build ship ?  making the weaker Shokaku plane useless......

 

now WHAT WILL YOU DO if you got a match with FULL AA BUILD ship? of course the best choice is snipe the enemy CV :V

if the enemy CV got deleted, you can all out to lose all plane. dealing some damage before being useless is more usefull rather than doing nothing.

on other scenario (if survived), the AA ship will cover the CV from another wave strike. leaving the other ship so less AA screen.

 

tell me if you got a match with 1 DM, 1 minotaur and 1 AA build missouri as opponent. your enemy CV is a lexington with strike loadout, but your team got NO AA SHIP. of course strike lexington will got a lot of advantage since it can attack but you cant. if the AA on lexington is standart, you can snipe it to prevent further strike. or it will force DM or other AA ship to cover lexington, less AA for their team. or in another case the lexington will get closer to team so you only need to spot it from behind. leaving it vulnerable to artilery strike. 

 

but what will happen if lexington got great AA? it can untouchable and spotting it will cost you plane per second :V

 

well, i will admit lexington is not versatile and depend so much on their team. of course give 1 fighter to strike is sufficient to protect important allies or to escort the strike wave.

 

if you keep insist on asking why try to snipe lexington, why try to play USN if you can got what you want on IJN?

 

 

i am already on langley, farming to 10pts commander skill before getting bogue.

 

Why play USN? Because some of us are HISTORY FANS, I didn't get here playing world of tanks I got here reading Jane's fighting ships of 20th century & some other books. 

AA build Lexington? who AA builds Lexington! That would be like secondary build Taihou! You may have the better secondaries or AA but you don't use them often why put emphasis on them! You come across AA build Lexington you don't have to worry about a player that chooses AA over his aircraft, just leave him alone! The average player may choose 1 or 2 skills and modules to buff his AA but he wouldn't DEDICATE himself to it!

If your being out performed by a strike Lexington then your obviously not using your fighters correctly even if your team has no AA ships the enemy CV still has to bring his planes to your ally's ship to do damage, when his does bring his planes to your ally's ship THEN you pop in that barrage while he drops and if it's an RNG based attack your ally will probably get away unscratched, if it's skill, there is not much chance of it doing much damage.

If that scenario is an AS load out Lexington the situation does not change If he want's to do something let him come to you. He want's to shoot planes, he has to come to you. He wants to prevent you from dealing damage, give you planes a preset path so that he wastes time chasing them, I was playing 122 ryujou ( in a game where I was bottom tier) the enemy 201 Independence literally chased my fighter planes around the whole map while I did damage, Lexington has a huge detection radius, if your spotting it in it's AA range your too close, that's your fault not balance because there is a very large gap between max range to spot the Lexington and the Lexington's AA max range.

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38 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

you guys must know i am potato. but i can tell if something is OP or not based on comparison what it can do compared to other. 

So you are telling me that everything you says will be based of personal experience? I've yet to see any statistics from you

39 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

can you kill AA build lexington with Shokaku strike? of course NO

can strike lexington outdamaged a strike Shokaku ? assume the Shokaku is a good player but the lexington player IS FAR BETTER...

can strike lexington got division with 2 AA build ship ?  making the weaker Shokaku plane useless......

1. And who use an AA build Lexington ?

2. Congratulation on stating the obvious.

3. The funny thing is that those 2 AA ships will only stay on one flank. Ships in divs stays together. So you can use your planes on the OTHER flank

42 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

now WHAT WILL YOU DO if you got a match with FULL AA BUILD ship? of course the best choice is snipe the enemy CV :V

if the enemy CV got deleted, you can all out to lose all plane. dealing some damage before being useless is more usefull rather than doing nothing.

on other scenario (if survived), the AA ship will cover the CV from another wave strike. leaving the other ship so less AA screen.

I've never seen a team where all ships are AA build, ever. 3-4 at most

44 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

tell me if you got a match with 1 DM, 1 minotaur and 1 AA build missouri as opponent. your enemy CV is a lexington with strike loadout, but your team got NO AA SHIP. of course strike lexington will got a lot of advantage since it can attack but you cant. if the AA on lexington is standart, you can snipe it to prevent further strike. or it will force DM or other AA ship to cover lexington, less AA for their team. or in another case the lexington will get closer to team so you only need to spot it from behind. leaving it vulnerable to artilery strike. 

Strike Lexington has an advantage if your team has no AA ships ?
You play a bloody CV, where are your fighters, just strafe the bombers and bam, they are all gone !

47 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

but what will happen if lexington got great AA? it can untouchable and spotting it will cost you plane per second :V

well, i will admit lexington is not versatile and depend so much on their team. of course give 1 fighter to strike is sufficient to protect important allies or to escort the strike wave.

1. Uh hello, you are in a Shokaku, you have more squadrons, therefore you can do more spotting than Lexington

2. You don't play high tier USN CV, therefore, your opinion on 1 fighter squadron being enough is irrelevant

49 minutes ago, Skarhabek said:

if you keep insist on asking why try to snipe lexington, why try to play USN if you can got what you want on IJN?

i am already on langley, farming to 10pts commander skill before getting bogue.

 

1. Why encourage the use of broken ships ?

2. Bogue and Langey ≠ Lexington.
 

Stop whining. 

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