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There's nothing wrong with battleships

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After going through Reddit a bit, it seem that NA and EU people consider battleships OP.

Do you guys think high tier battleships OP?

 

IMO not.

Admittedly battleships top average damage among surface ships of the same tier.

But I think it's normal and what it is supposed to be. If we take the ole RPS model, battleships should hunt BB and CA/CL, which have the thickest/second thickest HP among surface ships so naturally BB should have better average damage. But usually cruisers will get better average damage than destroyers, which is not normal. So if we take the game as a strict RPS and examine the current stats, cruisers are OP.

But if the game is strictly a RPS, battleships will naturally be underpowered. As battleships have the worst concealment, they will not be able to run away from their natural predators, the destroyers.

 

But in the current status of the game, it's not strictly a rock-paper-scissors model. Destroyers and cruisers have responsibilities other than doing damage and taking damage, but battleships can do non of spotting or AA cover or capping or smoke screening. So IMO battleships' sole duty is doing damage and thus the higher average damage. BB tanking is not as effective as smoke screening and cruiser WASD can also tank quite some damage.

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Actually t10 BBs are useless against maneuvering t10 cruisers, they can't do almost nothing with russian DDs and torpedoboats (that play good enough). And if BB alone, this BB won't live for a long. Also when you meet AS CV you hope not to be focused, because CV can easily sink you. This is what I can clearly see on RU. 

BBs and torpedoboats are too random. They can do plenty of damage, but it insists on enemy's silliness. 

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No I don't.

 

My general feeling is that WG have all the numbers and they also have supertesters. I think the impressions of a handful of users may well be valid to their situation, but might not accurately reflect the overall situation.

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They are not OP , but fact remains that they can derp any ship in game into smoking wreck if their salvo hit it right much like playing 777. Although rare , it is still capable of it and that possibility frighten potato like me.

Also BB AP hurt dd alot, and the best counter to them is threat they cant see and cant shoot at. They have alot of counter , but most of those are only effective if bb push up with the team and stay aroumd 15km to 10km.So we have the bb sit camp smoke weed around. We got mad when the campers got lucky and delete us with luck why he laughed his ass off oblivious to just how bad he is

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OP?

nope

I like playing CA but BB not OP if you know how to kill

HE set on fire

AP when you close range combat (just head-on) (neither Moskva and Hinden both ships can use AP any range)

RN TORPEDOTHEYAMATO!!!!!!!!!

if CA/CL show broadside BB can delete you in 1 salvo

 

Battlesheep : "First Blood"

Battlesheep : "Devvastating Strike"

Heaviest_Cruiser : "Detonation"

 

when BB use bow-on use HE

when BB show broadside use HE/AP up to situation

that's it!

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They are not OP , but fact remains that they can derp any ship in game into smoking wreck if their salvo hit it right much like playing 777. Although rare , it is still capable of it and that possibility frighten potato like me.

Also BB AP hurt dd alot, and the best counter to them is threat they cant see and cant shoot at. They have alot of counter , but most of those are only effective if bb push up with the team and stay aroumd 15km to 10km.So we have the bb sit camp smoke weed around. We got mad when the campers got lucky and delete us with luck why he laughed his ass off oblivious to just how bad he is

 

This. The skill floor for BB is too low compared to other classes. 

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Actually t10 BBs are useless against maneuvering t10 cruisers, they can't do almost nothing with russian DDs and torpedoboats (that play good enough). And if BB alone, this BB won't live for a long. Also when you meet AS CV you hope not to be focused, because CV can easily sink you. This is what I can clearly see on RU. 

BBs and torpedoboats are too random. They can do plenty of damage, but it insists on enemy's silliness. 

 

GG secondary build + manual AA...... CV are doomed, but ONLY FOR A FEW BB can do this

- Missouri

- Scharnhorst

- Hood

- Tirpitz

- Texas

 

AND MOST OF THEM ARE PREMIUM SHEEP

 

HOOD GOT AADF! HOWLING SHEET!

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GG secondary build + manual AA...... CV are doomed, but ONLY FOR A FEW BB can do this

- Missouri

- Scharnhorst

- Hood

- Tirpitz

- Texas

 

AND MOST OF THEM ARE PREMIUM SHEEP

 

HOOD GOT AADF! HOWLING SHEET!

Missouri's AA is not dissimilar from Iowa C hull.

 

Scharnhorst has less AA than Gneisenau B.

 

Hood is WiP and the only thing that makes her seem to be an AA ship is the 7" UP rockets. Which has only 1.5km range and won't stop TB from releasing their torps. And at 200HP each, they are very easy to destroy. Hood DAAF only affect UP rockets, other AA guns will not be affected.

 

Tirpitz has less AA than Bismarck B.

 

Texas has short AA range, can't get any benefit from MCAA, and a full AA spec König has better AA.

 

P2W?

 

And all battleships' AA suite are very easy to be lost due to HE spam.

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Missouri's AA is not dissimilar from Iowa C hull.

Scharnhorst has less AA than Gneisenau B.

Hood is WiP and the only thing that makes her seem to be an AA ship is the 7" UP rockets. Which has only 1.5km range and won't stop TB from releasing their torps. And at 200HP each, they are very easy to destroy. Hood DAAF only affect UP rockets, other AA guns will not be affected.

Tirpitz has less AA than Bismarck B.

Texas has short AA range, can't get any benefit from MCAA, and a full AA spec König has better AA.

P2W?

And all battleships' AA suite are very easy to be lost due to HE spam.

 

those AA rating is lie :v for example Missoury and Iowa both have AA build ( may be with AFT and manual AA) buts its weird why attacking Iowa have 3~4/8 TB manage to drop torpedo but againts Miso NO PLANE SURVIVE.... its AA rating just 82 for Iowa and 83 for Missouri..... but what the heck is that! RNG FOR PREMIUM SHIP ARE OP!!

 

for texas may be it was true. and AADF for Hood affect rocket only? they just buff Hood recently.....

 

well, the long range Torp may be work with Kaga or other IJN CV..... but HOW ABOUT USN CV? they rely most of their Damage by DB.

 

Tirpitz have Torpedo and bismarck dont.... WEIRD WHY THE HECK WG BUFF tirpitz secondary too?

P2W?

well, P2W in WoWs bit is fine(except for saipan) .... we can still win with skill and.... of course GG divison

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back to topic, BB are not OP.... it can rekt ship easy and deal devastating damage, But need skill to aim and predict the best position. 

the most OP is the player itself.  a pro BB player is "CRAB of the Northstar", they are so annoying because CIT and CIT like a boss

 

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GG secondary build + manual AA...... CV are doomed, but ONLY FOR A FEW BB can do this

- Missouri

- Scharnhorst

- Hood

- Tirpitz

- Texas

 

AND MOST OF THEM ARE PREMIUM SHEEP

 

HOOD GOT AADF! HOWLING SHEET!

CVs are still very powerful. You have AA only if you don't being shooted with HE by everyone. 

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I wouldn't say BBs are OP, but they are certainly a lot more forgiving compared to the other classes, thanks to their high armour, high health pool and heal.

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