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So I was doing a bit of reading earlier this morning about the history of Japanese carriers. 

 

Read about the Hosho, Zuiho, Hiryu, Shokaku...then found the article on the Taiho. 

 

Looks like the real-life captain of the Taiho suffered from CV potato syndrome and forgot to hit 'R'  for about eight hours when Taiho was hit by a torpedo. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Taih%C5%8D

 

Built by Kawasaki at Kobe, she was laid down on 10 July 1941, launched almost two years later on 7 April 1943 and finally commissioned on 7 March 1944. She sank on 19 June 1944 during the Battle of the Philippine Sea after suffering a single torpedo hit from the American submarine USS Albacore, due to explosions resulting from design flaws and poor damage control.

 

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Taihō's chief damage control officer eventually ordered the ship's general ventilation system switched to full capacity and, where possible, all doors and hatches opened to try to rid the ship of fumes. Unfortunately, this simply resulted in saturation of areas previously unexposed to the vapors and increased the chances of accidental or spontaneous ignition.[24][25] About 14:30 that afternoon, 6½ hours after the initial torpedo hit, Taihō was jolted by a severe explosion. A senior staff officer on the bridge saw the flight deck heave up. The sides blew out. Taihō dropped out of formation and began to settle in the water, clearly doomed. Though Admiral Ozawa wanted to go down with the ship, his staff prevailed on him to survive and to transfer his flag to the cruiser Haguro. Taking the Emperor's portrait, Ozawa transferred to Haguro by destroyer. After he left, Taihō was torn by a second thunderous explosion and sank stern first at 16:28, taking 1,650 officers and men out of a complement of 2,150 down with her.[24][26][27]


She sank at coordinates 12°05′N 138°12′ECoordinates: 12°05′N 138°12′E.

 

Two whole hours to abandon ship and still 1,650 sailors went down - that is absolutely awful. 

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If I recall correctly, the damage control on Taiho was uneffective with the lethal gases accumulating over the internals of the ships. Hence the explosion

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Its more with the design of the ship really, aviation gasoline built up around the area under the no.1 elevator. There is no way to release them outside as Taihou has an enclosed hangar, nor is there is any to prevent it from flowing all over the ship as they have to resume aircraft operations and thus the gasoline flowed around until a point it just blew up. Shinano's design have holes which can be opened in the sides  of the enclosed hanger which allows the gas to be release if ever there is a leak. 

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Historical reference of "why you should get premium damage control"

 

Edit: Seem that only the carriers, due to their heavy loss and production during wartime*, showed poor damage control during battles. IJN battleships and cruisers had some legendary damage control experiences. Some, IMO, were more impressive than USN ones.

 

* Only four Japanese "warships" (in IJN definition) started construction after the war begun were commissioned. One was the light cruiser Sakawa, the other three were all Unryu class aircraft carriers. And the only classes of "warships" (again in IJN definition which excluded destroyer and smaller naval vessels) commissioned after battle of Midway were Agano class, Unryu class and Taiho. With so many (in IJN view) aircraft carriers commissioned, and heavy loss of their crew, it's natural their damage control wasn't as effective as battleships or cruisers.

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Morw like i find Taiho is a very advanced ship put into the hands of completely new recruits. There is the ship flaws , but in general the design is advanced for its time and by that point IJN naval air arms is made up of newbies vs US veteran force. It is that difference , not the ship fault , its the crew.

I find its funny for the japanese design philosophy that is centered around making man and machine to work harmoniously in a specific way and that its this very plague that push unexperienced crew to their death due to little leeway allowed while US drsign stress comfortability and durability which is much more practical for a large war.

Japan designs are very good and extremely sophisticated to specialized in one purpose , but this overspecialization kill them due to them being unable to switch job on the go.

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Its more with the design of the ship really, aviation gasoline built up around the area under the no.1 elevator. There is no way to release them outside as Taihou has an enclosed hangar, nor is there is any to prevent it from flowing all over the ship as they have to resume aircraft operations and thus the gasoline flowed around until a point it just blew up. Shinano's design have holes which can be opened in the sides  of the enclosed hanger which allows the gas to be release if ever there is a leak. 

 

Actually Taiho had vents for the hanger, but Taiho should have actually sealed the gasoline leaks to prevent fumes spreading, instead the vents were all opened as well as windows and hatches which made the ships more explosive

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Actually Taiho had vents for the hanger, but Taiho should have actually sealed the gasoline leaks to prevent fumes spreading, instead the vents were all opened as well as windows and hatches which made the ships more explosive

 

LOL so they did the opposite of hitting 'R' to use damage control party. 

 

Kinda sad. Especially the death toll on that ship. 

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The Japanese naval administration should have implemented measures to prevent inexperienced captains from Free-XPing their way into high tier ships. Also, the matchmaker really dropped the ball here.

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Actually Taiho had vents for the hanger, but Taiho should have actually sealed the gasoline leaks to prevent fumes spreading, instead the vents were all opened as well as windows and hatches which made the ships more explosive

 

Taiho have 2 fire prevention method

its actualy the same concept applied by British Carrier

Aside from fan and vent, they use forward and back lift to provide natural ventilation

 

The only Design flaw on Taiho were, It dont use Water displacement system for storage of aviation fuel like British Carrier.

on British Carrier, there a space with inert carbon dioxide surrounding the aviation fuel tank, so any leak, ruptured avgas would mix with carbon dioxide, reducing fire hazard. this space also can be flood out if necesary

onTaiho, the avgas tank were part of the ship structure, it relied on the capability of the ship alone to absorb shock or impact to prevent leak or rupture. this were the flawed concept

 

 

Aside from flawed concept, on paper the Taiho would easily survive ruptured avgas tank

The problem were how they handle damage control, Taiho damage control parties know there are flamable fumes in hangar, but they dont know what to do, and do everything wrong instead

They close up the forward lift, which eleminated any natural ventilation.

This would make the aviation facilities full of fumes, however its still can be controled. since taiho aviation facility were fire proffed, and disciplined maintained to keep any fire hazard in check

 

However the next step by Damage control parties, were Opening all door, hatches, breaking windows into hanggar.

and those fumes, which can be keeped in check on enclosed space, instead spreading through the ships. 

its inevitable that sparks would happen, somewhere in the ships

 

taiho even took precaution on putting light and electirac outlet 8 feet from the ground to avoid fire hazard on the hanggar

but it obviusly cant be dont through all ship section, The Damage control parties decision which try to dissolve thick fumes by trying to spread it through the ship, instead making the fumes contacted more combustable materials

its like when you press R, instead put down 2 fire you got 4 fire instead, taiho is more damage control fail rather than design flaw. because even with design flawed, they have possibility to save the ships

Edited by humusz

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