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Seriously over fighting vs this ship in Montana. The thing pens me no matter what I do yet nearly all my shells bounce or over pen. Its ridiculous. There's zero reward for WASD your ship to the correct angles vs a Yamato as it just pens you anyway. I reckon about 95% of shots taken from this thing take min 8-10k damage off me no matter what angle I'm on or what range. It's total BS. If you're going to make a ship have that much fire power then you need to nerf it somewhere else. Give it a much bigger citadel would be a good start IMO or maybe make it really slow. As it is now it's just not fun. I dont mind when I get citadelled or taking heavy damage from my own mistakes but when I've done everything by the book so to speak and still huge damage its really frustrating.

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Seriously over fighting vs this ship in Montana. The thing pens me no matter what I do yet nearly all my shells bounce or over pen. Its ridiculous. There's zero reward for WASD your ship to the correct angles vs a Yamato as it just pens you anyway. I reckon about 95% of shots taken from this thing take min 8-10k damage off me no matter what angle I'm on or what range. It's total BS. If you're going to make a ship have that much fire power then you need to nerf it somewhere else. Give it a much bigger citadel would be a good start IMO or maybe make it really slow. As it is now it's just not fun. I dont mind when I get citadelled or taking heavy damage from my own mistakes but when I've done everything by the book so to speak and still huge damage its really frustrating.

i lost a few brain cells looking at this

1., aim for superstructure or use HE

2. learn to WASD and to speed tank and angling FFS

3. if you are losing duels in a montana all the time then you OBVIOUSLY are still doing something wrong

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Yamato has 460 mm guns, which can overmatch 32 mm bow armor. He can pen you through the bow at any distance so dont bow on, slightly angle instead. Btw Yamato turrets have around 70s 180 degrees traverse time, so you may want to close distance quickly so he can't track you. Yamato citadel has hexagon shape at front bulkhead, so if you get close to 8 km and he's angling around 45 degrees, try shooting under the front turrets => guaranteed citadel

 

Trust me the Yamato doesn't need any nerf. It is already a damage sponge for HE and torpedoes and its health consumable has been nerf hard before. The only thing it better than Montana is killing other BBs. 

 

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Yamato has 460 mm guns, which can overmatch 32 mm bow armor. He can pen you through the bow at any distance so dont bow on, slightly angle instead. Btw Yamato turrets have around 70s 180 degrees traverse time, so you may want to close distance quickly so he can't track you. Yamato citadel has hexagon shape at front bulkhead, so if you get close to 8 km and he's angling around 45 degrees, try shooting under the front turrets => guaranteed citadel

 

Trust me the Yamato doesn't need any nerf. It is already a damage sponge for HE and torpedoes and its health consumable has been nerf hard before. The only thing it better than Montana is killing other BBs. 

 

 

no, even montana is better at killing BBs, it's a whole lot versatile then yamato, and not to mention the side armor can troll even yamato shells when angled properly never mind 406 and 380 shells, it's also the only T10 BB that can speed tank, and it's guns are just as punchy as yamatos, if not more when shooting at targets that dont auto bounce. ah, and it has really good HE resistance

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i lost a few brain cells looking at this

1., aim for superstructure or use HE

2. learn to WASD and to speed tank and angling FFS

3. if you are losing duels in a montana all the time then you OBVIOUSLY are still doing something wrong

 

1. Aim for superstructure AND use HE? As using AP at super structure is sure to over pen.

2. IF you read my post correctly you would see I actually do mention WASD (apparently some of your brain cells are already missing?).

3. Maybe I am doing something wrong, depends who you talk to about it?

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no, even montana is better at killing BBs, it's a whole lot versatile then yamato, and not to mention the side armor can troll even yamato shells when angled properly never mind 406 and 380 shells, it's also the only T10 BB that can speed tank, and it's guns are just as punchy as yamatos, if not more when shooting at targets that dont auto bounce. ah, and it has really good HE resistance

 

Please explain this speed tanking you speak of? Whats the correct angle of aproach to troll shells in side armour? HE resistant? LOL. Maybe I have the wrong build or something on mine then............

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Seriously over fighting vs this ship in Montana.

 
 The thing pens me no matter what I do yet nearly all my shells bounce or over pen. Its ridiculous.
 
There's zero reward for WASD your ship to the correct angles vs a Yamato as it just pens you anyway. I reckon about 95% of shots taken from this thing take min 8-10k damage off me no matter what angle I'm on or what range. It's total BS.
 
If you're going to make a ship have that much fire power then you need to nerf it somewhere else. Give it a much bigger citadel would be a good start IMO or maybe make it really slow. As it is now it's just not fun. I dont mind when I get citadelled or taking heavy damage from my own mistakes but when I've done everything by the book so to speak and still huge damage its really frustrating.

Yamato is specialized in fighting battleships, the anti-battleship specialist of T10 battleships. So what you experience is normal.

 

Trust me or not, your angling is already doing great. If a salvo takes between 8k and 10k off you, it means Yamato didn't get any citadel hits off you. Just normal penetration or over-pen. Both can be recovered using repair party.

 

And how to fight back? There's the 1 key. Battleship firing HE is nothing to be ashamed of. If your AP can't get satisfying damage, time to HE. A well aimed salvo of 16" HE can often take more than 10k off Yamato. Oh keep in mind Montana's HE and AP has difference in ballistics and shell speed.

 

Yamato need a nerf? I guess no. She needs a buff to make her gameplay more satisfactory. A more impressive muzzle blast effect or more roaring sound when the turret is rotating is good. But her performance is rather balanced IMO. It is the least flexible of T10 BB and lacks diversity, gameplay is dumb and boring. Yamato's citadel is already huge, and the octagonal citadel layout means trouble*. Also Yamato is the least protected T10 BB against 203mm HE shells. The transverse rate of 460mm turrets are also bad. Yamato actually sacrificed a lot for the ability to overmatch 32mm armor.

 

*Detailed explanation

 The armor box of Yamato is octagon shaped, and the angled platings connecting the front bulkhead and the main belt is the weak point in-game. An experienced BB player will know to target there when Yamato is angling for full salvo at below 10km range.(IDK if this trick works above 10km, as I haven't played high tier BBs for months) Even the German 406mm, known as the softest gun in T10, can get a citadel off an angled Yamato this way.

 

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1. Aim for superstructure AND use HE? As using AP at super structure is sure to over pen.

goes to show you still have no idea where to aim

2. IF you read my post correctly you would see I actually do mention WASD (apparently some of your brain cells are already missing?).

if you are still taking 10k+ dmg per salvo, then you need to go relearn it

3. Maybe I am doing something wrong, depends who you talk to about it?

i have no idea what you are trying to say, but if you are trying to say "who are you to question me?" then i'll just point out i have 3 times more battles in just BBs alone then you have put together, and you montana stats are just... horrible

 

Please explain this speed tanking you speak of? Whats the correct angle of aproach to troll shells in side armour?

speed tanking is using the W and S keys to throw off the other ship's aim while keeping a decent amount of speed , how to troll shells? make the other ship hit your belt. if you still dont know how to do this, i suggest going  back to lower tiers and relearning how to do so before playing high tiers

HE resistant? LOL. Maybe I have the wrong build or something on mine then............

by seeing this, i infer that you have never tried to play either yamato or GK....

 

scratch that, did you just use free XP and prem account to speed grind to montana? your overall stats are really, really bad. please go play mid tiers to get a feel for the game before trolling your teammates at high tiers...

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if they nerf Yamato, THEY SHOULD NERF AA in Montana....

Yamato is weak againts bomber lol :V

 

 

scratch that, did you just use free XP and prem account to speed grind to montana? your overall stats are really, really bad. please go play mid tiers to get a feel for the game before trolling your teammates at high tiers...

 

DONT LISTEN TO HIM!

PLAY CV AND SUNK THE YAMATO!!! CV are EZ bro :V

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if they nerf Yamato, THEY SHOULD NERF AA in Montana....

Yamato is weak againts bomber lol :V

 

 

DONT LISTEN TO HIM!

PLAY CV AND SUNK THE YAMATO!!! CV are EZ bro :V

 

are you trying to act stupid? because it's working

 

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Shooting at the superstructure of a broadside yamato gets you overpens. Shooting at the superstructure of a bow-on or angled yamato does not. The reason is that the shell penetrates a lot more of the superstructure that it basically wasn't able to overpen it and was enough to arm the fuse of the AP shell and explode inside the ship giving you a guaranteed 33% of the AP damage. If you managed to hit at least 2 of those shells, it will do around 9k damage.

 

Generally you must avoid 1v1 a yamato unless you have backup, the Yamato is distracted or you have HP advantage. However if you do get in a situation you need to 1v1, don't go bow-on. He can pen your bow but you can't because he has 460mm guns you only have 406mm. Instead, get angled about 10-20 degrees to bait him to shoot at your belt armor. Of course, a smart Yamato captain will also aim for your superstructure for guaranteed pen damage, just as I mentioned earlier.

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Montana has the best broadside firepower in the game without showing her own broadside. And unless you are too close to Yamato, he can't do much either apart from some deck pens. 1v1 with certain ship does not prove her worth. You can't brawl with Yamato under normal circumstances, so don't try. Yamatos are your last target.

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Honestly OP you need to stick in T4-8 for the next month or so as you're just getting clubbed at T10 which is leading to massive frustration to you. It seems that you really need to look at how you are aiming as well as your MBH is shockingly low in your BB's, as you only fire every 30 seconds every salvo counts and you look like you are wasting most of them.

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scratch that, did you just use free XP and prem account to speed grind to montana? your overall stats are really, really bad. please go play mid tiers to get a feel for the game before trolling your teammates at high tiers...

 

Yeah my stats are bad as I don't just sit at long range and snipe. I like to get among the battle and consequently I get torped/burnt to the waterline fairly quickly/regularly when my team all disappear into hiding.

 

i have no idea what you are trying to say, but if you are trying to say "who are you to question me?" then i'll just point out i have 3 times more battles in just BBs alone then you have put together, and you montana stats are just... horrible

 

As for this comment, I wasn't referring to you at all. I was referring to the fact I've tried a number of tactics suggested by people without a lot of success. As most people know, stats dont tell the whole story of how good a player is. Neither do the amount of games played....just saying.

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Yeah my stats are bad as I don't just sit at long range and snipe. I like to get among the battle and consequently I get torped/burnt to the waterline fairly quickly/regularly when my team all disappear into hiding.

 

yep, imho that's the way that BBs should be played and that's also how i play it, if you are doing so then good for you, but that being said, pushing up is tricky buisness, if you dont have the experience, skills and knowhow to do so (speed tanking, baiting shells, predicting torps, baiting armor belt ect.) then pushing and playing is a death sentence, dieing early on does nothing for your team if you dont deal a large ammout of damage trading for your life or if your team dosnt know how to capitalize on that. which is why i suggested going back a few tiers and not just learn, but master the basics

 

As for this comment, I wasn't referring to you at all. I was referring to the fact I've tried a number of tactics suggested by people without a lot of success. As most people know, stats dont tell the whole story of how good a player is. Neither do the amount of games played....just saying.

you are quite right here, battles played dont say much about skill and stats dont tell the whole story, but they do tell a lot, for example, from my experience of playing the game looking at your MBH i can tell that your accuracy needs a lot of work, and looking at your surival rate, i can see you are either pushing way too aggresively or just plain sailing broadside, looking at your avrg dmg tells me that you also A.cant aim well, or B. dies quickly in matches, such and such

if you really dont want to train down at lower tiers then i suggest you find a unicum montana player to division with and observe how he plays

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Seriously over fighting vs this ship in Montana. The thing pens me no matter what I do yet nearly all my shells bounce or over pen. Its ridiculous. There's zero reward for WASD your ship to the correct angles vs a Yamato as it just pens you anyway. I reckon about 95% of shots taken from this thing take min 8-10k damage off me no matter what angle I'm on or what range. It's total BS. If you're going to make a ship have that much fire power then you need to nerf it somewhere else. Give it a much bigger citadel would be a good start IMO or maybe make it really slow. As it is now it's just not fun. I dont mind when I get citadelled or taking heavy damage from my own mistakes but when I've done everything by the book so to speak and still huge damage its really frustrating.

 

Solution is simple. 

 

Use the Yamato instead! 

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Yeah my stats are bad as I don't just sit at long range and snipe. I like to get among the battle and consequently I get torped/burnt to the waterline fairly quickly/regularly when my team all disappear into hiding.

 

i have no idea what you are trying to say, but if you are trying to say "who are you to question me?" then i'll just point out i have 3 times more battles in just BBs alone then you have put together, and you montana stats are just... horrible

 

As for this comment, I wasn't referring to you at all. I was referring to the fact I've tried a number of tactics suggested by people without a lot of success. As most people know, stats dont tell the whole story of how good a player is. Neither do the amount of games played....just saying.

 

 

You can't brawl in Tier X battles early on, this is why you die often.

I love to brawl too and was very good at it all the way to tier 8. From Tier 9 onwards, brawling just means death in a BB. You can only brawl towards the end of the battle if circumstances permit.

 

Which IS annoying because I am a terrible sniper and much better at just getting into the melee. BUT, you have to play for the situation you're in, not the situation you want.

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Here's a new strategy for you. DO NOT PUSH TO A SIDE WITHOUT FRIENDLY DDS SCOUTING AHEAD.

(Well if your team is full of IJN DDs then GG, it is probably going to be a loss since the IJN DD player base play for fun and because of that anime related game).

 

This does not mean you hang far back, you stay relatively close. Montana is very accurate and you should not get hard time hitting mid ship at 15 km. I am sort of average in Montana and I regularly chunk Khabarovsk at 12-15 km. Also be on the lookout for German Battleships. They are the easiest source of damage. You cannot damage them much from close range, but at long range (and since they think they cannot be citadelled, they will keep showing broadside), easy 30 k salvo. If a GK keeps showing you broadside you will need around 3 salvo to delete him at 8 km. When ever you push, make sure there is a fail safe plan. Also, by the time you reach a T10 BB, you should not get torped all that much because of the instinct you grow from lower tiers. If that is absent then no one can help you.

 

Use proper captain build. Don't pick the range or accuracy mod, go for RoF mod and pick AR captain skill. At less than half HP, you can shoot 12 USN Super Heavy shells every 21 seconds (roughly). That's insane. Like I said, Just ignore the Yamatos, and don't go very close to them. Yamato can't damage you more than anything else from a range if you don't show your side.

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Why don t you guys just use the stealth build for US bb to disengage and suprise other for ez play.I mean they get very good camo if u max it and will suprise many when u show up 12km to their broadside and boom them. This build is not for trigger happy ppl but i find them extremely useful for dealing with high tiers bb player that love to hang back espc yamato. NC 2 tiers down have no problem dealing with yamato because you vanish between shots and if you keep from 13km you will always get the 1st shot with more or less the other unaware and catch them off guard.

And the lol pen from yamato can be solved if he font spot you long enough for a good shot anyway while you can aim all ur guns and back to angled again while disappearing from his view

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Why don t you guys just use the stealth build for US bb to disengage and suprise other for ez play.I mean they get very good camo if u max it and will suprise many when u show up 12km to their broadside and boom them. This build is not for trigger happy ppl but i find them extremely useful for dealing with high tiers bb player that love to hang back espc yamato. NC 2 tiers down have no problem dealing with yamato because you vanish between shots and if you keep from 13km you will always get the 1st shot with more or less the other unaware and catch them off guard.

And the lol pen from yamato can be solved if he font spot you long enough for a good shot anyway while you can aim all ur guns and back to angled again while disappearing from his view

 

1st, a maxed conealment yamato has about the same detection range as a montana, so that's a nogo

2nd, if a BB is competent then he will know to angle at a BB that he knows is just lurking around his concealment  range, even if he isnt detected

3rd, it's not good to "assume" the yamato wont know where you are, remember they have DDs and the minimap to show you current and last know position

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