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seriously look up the ship's server stats before complaining!

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Japanese ships used to enjoy an overwhelming superority over the others.

But ( except CV which is totally broken) It is not doing as well anymore in the current patch.

(stat from last two weeks)

 

And people still complaining about current BB meta is broken and yamato is OP?

It is because those ignorant people who keep complaining that we get all those nonsense nerfs and buffs

 

like people please dont use your own freaking in game experience to judge stuff! look at the server stats, they give a much clearer picture at what is op and what is not.

 

 

 

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patches come and go, and so do nerfs and buffs, Cleverland used to be hella OP, what happens to it now?

 

All ships will experience buffs and nerfs, except well, say, some premiums (I am not talking about Nikolai or gremy or murmusk at all)

 

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Erie is OP-should be nerfed......

 

 

@OP - player complaints do not effect WG nerds/buffs, server stats across all servers do

 

ok maybe that something sorted but you have to realize i got tired of XXX is Op (when it is really not) posts

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Well, you are using overall server stats.
That is a cause for concern, because overall server stats are not a good judge of a ship's capability.

 

I usually use the top 50 players of each ship to judge how capable a ship is


For instance, Minotaur has highest overall WR, but if you look at the top players for Minotaur, they do not have higher WR compared to the top players of Zao, Moskva, or DM.  Just because most players of Minotaur are good does not mean it is the best T10 Cruiser.

Likewise the top Zao players top winrate for solo matches among T10 CAs, so is Zao OP?

 

The same situation can be seen with Khab and Gearing.  While Khab has higher overall WR and damage, the top Gearing players clearly outwin the top Khab players in all game types (solo, 2-man, 3-man).

The point is, the game is balanced around server stats by WG, but server stats are not a good judge of a ship's capability.  Many people do not play with optimum builds, or play to actually win the game.  Since so many people don't or don't know how to ptfo, how do you use server stats to see if a ship is good?

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And when someone said IJN DD dont need buff. They must be shortsighted.... Seeing that Shimakaze in all server, NA, EU, and SEA. Wouldnt it need a buff?

 

Stop saying git gud or players need buff. >:E 

 

I play shima too :D

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IJN have great ships but they're mostly driven by baddies that doesn't ptfo.

While USN/KM/VMF ships are driven by people with common sense since the beginning.

But we all agreed that Shima is crap, just like IJN irl.

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If you want to look up server statistics, I highly recommend using maplesyrup over warships.today. Main issue is, warships.today only aggregates the statistics of players who have been search on their portal before, whereas maplesyrup uses a crawler to aggregate stats right off the various WoWS region portals. That means more accurate snapshots of global statistics.

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If you want to look up server statistics, I highly recommend using maplesyrup over warships.today. Main issue is, warships.today only aggregates the statistics of players who have been search on their portal before, whereas maplesyrup uses a crawler to aggregate stats right off the various WoWS region portals. That means more accurate snapshots of global statistics.

 

thats pretty cool, i will look into it, thanks for the info

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if each ship really perform fit to it tier, than we should be able to see a "swing" phenomenon

 

like... if it's a weekly stat

one week shima on top

next week it turn to be gearing on top

another week this time is khab on top

and another is back to gearing on top again

but another is Z-52 on top

etc

 

for ship stat to be static like... a certain ship that always stick at bottom... means that something is wrong :hiding:

Edited by PGM991

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Yup general server stats in WOWs are pretty useless for measuring ship performance due to sample size variation, player group variation, build variation and time frame variation. 

Have a look at the following stats for EXACTLY the same ship:

Name Tier Type Nation Battles WR ▼ Dmg XP K/D Sh☠ Pl☠ Srv MBH T
Kamikaze R 5 DD  Japan 1080507 0.5611 30079 981 1.6 1 0 0.36 0.45 0.09
Kamikaze 5 DD  Japan 207902 0.5571 28224 1044 1.6 1 0 0.38 0.44 0.08
Fūjin 5 DD  Japan 29315 0.5464 27552 1089 1.4 0.9 0 0.35 0.44 0.08

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Japanese ships used to enjoy an overwhelming superority over the others.

But ( except CV which is totally broken) It is not doing as well anymore in the current patch.

(stat from last two weeks)

 

And people still complaining about current BB meta is broken and yamato is OP?

It is because those ignorant people who keep complaining that we get all those nonsense nerfs and buffs

 

like people please dont use your own freaking in game experience to judge stuff! look at the server stats, they give a much clearer picture at what is op and what is not.

 

 

 

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Do you have any headings for those columns,

Minotaur is 52.40%....... of what....52.4% win rate....lose rate.....hit rate...... the number of Minotaur players who drink beer whilst playing?........

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Actually looking at the numbers another thing is extremely obvious:

The correlation between number of games played and W/R is extremely strong ~ stronger than any other factor. The fewer the number of games played in a ship, the higher the win rate.  The only tier X that does not fit this pattern is Hindenburg (which suggests even elite players can't make this ship work).  

But this correlation and extreme differences in the player populations mean that these statistics are not generally useful for judging one ship against another.

I remember there being stats for only top 10% players somewhere - that would be much more useful.

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I remember there being stats for only top 10% players somewhere - that would be much more useful.

 

wows-numbers has top 5% and top 10% stats, but it faces the same issue as warships.today since it only saves and takes snapshots of profiles searched through its system.  It also does not differentiate between the types of games played unlike warships.today

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if it's about win rate then blame your teammates for losing and scattering around without teamworking

about German vs Japanese BBs . Well.. Germans have Extra Strong Beer mixed to their ships as ingredients

while Japanese has weaker SAKE as ingredients

for the cruisers. British are overcaffiened so they have higher chance of win rate and they're energetic

for DDs: why did Hitler's DD got the high tier? I guess German Beer is still stronger than Vodka

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Yup general server stats in WOWs are pretty useless for measuring ship performance due to sample size variation, player group variation, build variation and time frame variation. 

Have a look at the following stats for EXACTLY the same ship:

Name Tier Type Nation Battles WR ▼ Dmg XP K/D Sh☠ Pl☠ Srv MBH T
Kamikaze R 5 DD  Japan 1080507 0.5611 30079 981 1.6 1 0 0.36 0.45 0.09
Kamikaze 5 DD  Japan 207902 0.5571 28224 1044 1.6 1 0 0.38 0.44 0.08
Fūjin 5 DD  Japan 29315 0.5464 27552 1089 1.4 0.9 0 0.35 0.44 0.08

 

Consider the following: Kami R is earned with skill, and the latter two was bought, which doesnt require any skill.

Also Kami R was released far earlier than the other two, so a much higher Battle count

 

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Consider the following: Kami R is earned with skill, and the latter two was bought, which doesnt require any skill.

Also Kami R was released far earlier than the other two, so a much higher Battle count

 

Exactly.  The same thing happens with dissimilar ships.  That is why it is very difficult to compare.

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