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why don't we have Shinano in the game?

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Heya peeps,

 

Just wondering why we don't have the Japanese carrier Shinano in the game?

 

Would be at tier 10, I think it was the largest carrier sunk in WWII

 

Was a sister ship to Yamato & Masashi, but converted mid build into a carrier, & was torpedoed by a US submarine, on it's way I think to be fitted with planes.

 

Maybe a future premium ??

 

With that BB armour, it would be a formidable ship

 

Still waiting for RN Battleships, by the way, & I still want an Albany 8')

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Maybe because historically Shinano have really low hanger capacity since it a BB conversion and space not well utilized and able to only accommodate around 50+ aircrafts.

 

So if WG want to put Shinano in T10 they have to buff the hanger capacity to unrealistic amount (which is fine) or put her into T8 where that capacity is reasonable (and there you go stripped Yamato armor at T8 good luck try to kiil it with T6) 

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shinano could actually carry upwords to 120 planes IIRC, but the problem is, she was designed with a "forward mobil operating base" concept in mind, so plane could refuel and restock on her after they had launched from other carriers, and because she was very armored(yamato hull lulz), she can withstand shellfire unlike all other unarmored CVs. still, i really really really dont want the shinano to be ingame, having armored carriers like midway, taiho and hakuryu is a pain in the arse enough at high tiers to shoot at already, a armored CV flight deck+ yamato hull is just a nightmare

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armor belt up to 400mm+....

 

People shoot HE to CV not AP so dont think armor is going to be helpful...
Edited by yukionfire

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wg is already done with the render but might released for a long time cuz balance issues. but why they release it as tier 9 though, cuz of hangar capacity maybe? hmmm:hmm:

 

 

wg's images for shinanoo(for those who havent seen it yet)

Gd9xSkk.jpg INT0b1X.jpg

 

 

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Front line close support Carrier my friend :D:D:D

 

BB low on HP ??? let me tank !!!!

 

Would also certainly make the *ran out of planes death run* interesting.

 

WG could just pretend that IJN uses proper folding wing aircraft to buff the number.

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WG could just pretend that IJN uses proper folding wing aircraft to buff the number.

 

Nah they can just increase the number without explaining the reason since this is game and not actually have to reflex the reality :D:D:D

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So long as Daishoumaru wants it, it will never be in the game.

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My though

- Shinano is "Converted carrier" which you already have Akagi, Kaga, Hiyo, Chitose, Ryuho, Shoho, Taiyo, etc. this is not include that Unryu and Soryu which is true carrier did not appear in the game. So she is supposed to be second CV line for IJN that you have to wait for a couple of year to tribute the line

- Carrier rework is undergoing and expected to be ready in this year. No additional CV available until it complete.

- I don't think Shinano will be premium (She's too strong for mid tier despite very low capacity). I'd rather see Soryu as premium instead to compete Saipan

​- Side branch of Yamato? Please no dess.:facepalm:

- Artificial buff/nerf is usual for arcade games so I'd expecting her capacity goes up to 100+ when release.

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Shinano was configured as a support carrier because of Japan's desperate late war situations. If configured under normal circumstances it would have an air group of 140 + deck park. She was as large as a Forrestal...

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Isn't that in case of using deck to carry planes ? then how to landed or refuel lol 

 

it had space, but the space was used to carry spare parts an misc for planes that landed

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Maybe because historically Shinano have really low hanger capacity since it a BB conversion and space not well utilized and able to only accommodate around 50+ aircrafts.

 

No

IJN divided her carrier force into 2, Fleet carrier and Support carrier. Support carrier, dont have either sufficient protection or mobility to keep up with Japan Battle group (like Unryu class, Amagi, Taiyo, Unyo and many other ship with Yo ending) - so they were placed in Rear (this was sometimes called 2nd line carrier)

Shinano is a niche concept developed after Battle of Midway.Following the destrucion of Akagi, Kaga, Soryu and Hiryu. that was 4 out of 7 Fleet Carrier IJN have

 

Shinano were employed as Forward Floatting fortress, to re-fuel and re-arm Aircraft from other less protected carrier that opperated from rear.

And this re-fuel and re-arm process is happening bellow armored flight deck (for protection)

An armored bulkhead split the hangar deck in two; the front section would carry Shinano’s own air group, while the aft hangar would service other carriers’ planes. 

so, She actualy have enough spaces to carry 70+ aircraft (which still less capacity than a true fleet carrier carry). but she was a dedicated support carrier (that use spaces for storing ammo and fuel for other carrier aircraft)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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IJN divided her carrier force into 2, Fleet carrier and Support carrier. Support carrier, dont have either sufficient protection or mobility to keep up with Japan Battle group (like Unryu class, Amagi, Taiyo, Unyo and many other ship with Yo ending) - so they were placed in Rear (this was sometimes called 2nd line carrier)

Shinano is a niche concept developed after Battle of Midway.Following the destrucion of Akagi, Kaga, Soryu and Hiryu. that was 4 out of 7 Fleet Carrier IJN have

 

Shinano were employed as Forward Floatting fortress, to re-fuel and re-arm Aircraft from other less protected carrier that opperated from rear.

And this re-fuel and re-arm process is happening bellow armored flight deck (for protection)

An armored bulkhead split the hangar deck in two; the front section would carry Shinano’s own air group, while the aft hangar would service other carriers’ planes. 

so, She actualy have enough spaces to carry 70+ aircraft (which still less capacity than a true fleet carrier carry). but she was a dedicated support carrier (that use spaces for storing ammo and fuel for other carrier aircraft)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^this

 

wait, iirc she could carry up to 100? or is that for the older variants of the planes that was smaller?

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Shinano was configured as a support carrier because of Japan's desperate late war situations. If configured under normal circumstances it would have an air group of 140 + deck park. She was as large as a Forrestal...

 

Makes sense to ignore history and change it to a non-support carrier but that probably adds more problems since it's got heavy armour and more aircraft than other T10's.

Also what about the rocket launcher AA, ignore those as well? 

All these changes kinda make it a paper ship though, since it probably ignores all design decisions.

Edited by Axion_Nova

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Also what about the rocket launcher AA, ignore those as well? 

 

That one is utter failed concept (Most IJN carrier carry it, but it never shoot a single plane)

 

also Shinano dont carry it (its planned, but she sunk before it instaled)

 

 

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That one is utter failed concept (Most IJN carrier carry it, but it never shoot a single plane)

 

also Shinano dont carry it (its planned, but she sunk before it instaled)

 

 

 

That's pretty funny; seems they had a lot of useless AA tech.

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That's pretty funny; seems they had a lot of useless AA tech.

 

Lots of problem on IJN AA capability. half of the problem were their doctrine, the other half were weapons

 

for example they maintain strict radio silence, even when under air attack

so evey ships act individualy, evade individualy, each ship target whichever squadron they think is more dangerous   -  so you can have those accidents where ships crashing or almost crashing into each other when under aircraft attack

which result in sporadic rather than cordinated defence

 

on other hand American keep their formation when manuvering under air attack, so they can cordinate where to focus their AA barrage. (their short range and medium AA, still act as point defence for the ship though, but their long range AA is focused on defence of the whole formation as whole)

they combined  their firepower might be a better description

 

Edited by humusz

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