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Battle off Malaya aka the Destruction of Force Z

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I'm not really that good in explaining stuff that much but I'll try as I can to explain properly.

 

One of the lulzy engagements ever in the APAC naval skirmishes in World War II (well Europe at the time as well as the Atlantic were playing "pin the depth charge on the U-boat" as well as the slugfests that happened), one of the sweat-inducing things to be sent back to London was the fact that the additional units they sent to reinforce the Far Eastern fleet that was at the time camping at Singapore, their own veteran ships, were sunk. little did they know that the sinking marked the end of the age of the battleship and the carrier spam that happened in the Asia Pacific theater of operations.

 

the two ships in question:

 

The HMS Prince of Wales

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remember this ship? well if you don't, let me tell you a very VERY funky thing that happened with it witnessing it all. see this ship was one of the belligerents that went on a slugging match against the Bismarck and its companion the Prinz Eugen at the Denmark Strait. shots and shots were had until something happened that horrified and greatly angered the British Royal Navy: its companion and pride of the RN, the HMS Hood, got ammo racked by the Bismarck, literally. the ship split in two as she sank and the Prince of Wales, in a fighting retreat, unloaded shitloads of salvos at the Bismarck that damaged its steering, something that was very much exploited by the Fairey Swordfish torpedo biplanes (hey don't laugh, they were the ones that further crippled the ship to be shot at from everything like fish in a barrel) and headed back to dry dock for repairs and outfitting while the lead ship of her class, the King George V, was among the hunter-killer force that was sent to destroy the Bismarck to avenge their loss in all her fury. since Japan was getting too brow raising in the APAC region, she was one of the ships to be the reinforcements for the Eastern fleet and at the time was assigned to Force Z to intercept the invasion of Malaya.

 

the HMS Repulse

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an old timer, the battlecruiser was one of the finest in the world. hell, it was incredibly fast for a capital ship (note: battlecruisers and battleships afaik were designated capital ships since the battlecruiser had guns that could deliver a salvo that could harm the heaviest battleships back in the day) and it was a proud veteran of World War I. despite being a World War I battlecruiser, it was still competent and had modernization in the 1930's to update it with then-hax equipment. it was also part of the hunter-killers of the Bismarck and had served a bit in the Norwegian coast and Spanish Civil War as a shipping guard. Was sent along with the battleship Prince of Wales as reinforcements for the Eastern Fleet and to stop Japan from getting too ambitious in capturing British territories of Malaya and Singapore in the APAC theater along with four destroyers.

 

now the whole bit: dafuq happened?

 

one carrier, the HMS Hermes, should have supposed to be with them for air screen but was deemed too slow (note: the RN carriers had concrete flight decks whereas the USN carriers had wood. what happened if the deck got pummeled up so bad with the two would result in the US sending the carrier back to Pearl for 3-4 weeks repairs whilst the Brits just simply told "sweepers, man your brooms" and got its shit together. Brit carriers were slower than their US counterparts) and whoever went derp and said "naw, they're one of our most hardy ships with moderate AA to protect their asses. screw giving them excessive air screens, they can take care of themselves" in the thought of giving Force Z air cover so they rolled without it but AA gunners were on heightened alert since London went all "these ships be our additional backbone to deter Japanese expansion" so the Japanese, being the trolls as they were when they surprise buttsecks'd Pearl Harbor, prepared to take their shit down to the bottom of the ocean. they were sailing along quite nicely to where the rest of the Eastern Fleet were to be until further orders be done when Force Z was to go full red and GQ every sailor to their stations and expect EVERYTHING and steam to Malaya and Singapore. a Japanese sub found them, shadowed the squadron, and relayed the coordinates to the Force Z response unit.

 

after confirming the location and situation, the Japanese response unit set off and every single AA gun and dual purpose guns on the ships started to let it rip after the massive plane spam heading in to deal with them was detected off the scanners.

 

since the Prince of Wales was a capital ship, it had the best hax outfitted in it, the AA suite and FCS were potent as it was but even that, coupled with the rather moderate amount of AA guns the battleship, couldnt save it from the mass plane spam which consisted of level bombers and torpedo bombers (the recon planes sent in were to confirm and verify Force Z's composition) that pummeled the living shit out of the capital ships and sooner or later sunk em without assistance even coming to aid the doomed squadron due to the lulzy radio silence rule in order to keep the element of surprise as to when they arrived. the destroyers with them helped pick up the survivors from both Repulse and PoW and scattered to regroup and report what happened. the sinking of two of Britain's veteran capital ships was a bad afterthought that was said to had Churchill roll in bed with anguish when he was contacted.

 

although it marked the end of the age of the battleship, they were only active capital ships to ever been sunk by pure aircraft spam and despite being large ships, they were faster than the US battleships that got hit at Pearl Harbor. having a ship sink a capital ship may hurt but you can always find that ship and sink it but having aircraft ordnance spam the crap out of the ship is just upsetting to them.

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Nice writeup mate!

 

I for one am a big fan of the King George V-class battleships which the Prince of Wales was, I think I'm just a fan of the quad mount guns. I knew the Prince of Wales got sunk due to silly move by Churchill but I didn't know they where originally meant to have a carrier escort. I think she was the only one of the class to go down too, although the others mostly had convoy duty.

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Alpha Tester
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Very well said, very well said

 

I'm as Royal Navy Ships Fan, really like this Writing. Too bad RN dont have bigger guns than 16 inch (Which it sucks) at Nelson and she's so freaking slow  (23 knots) with no Catapult for aircraft 

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lel thanks. I don't really like to write boring writeups if I can help it.

 

the King George V's quad mount guns were afaik designated the "X" turret but there's a serious flaw in the KGV battleship: if the turret is knocked out, the battleship loses most of its firepower. if you want quad guns in a turret, there's the Marine Nationale battleships the Richelieu and Dunkerque and the planned souped up version of those two which was the Alsace class that had the A, B, X, Y turrets packing four 15 inch guns instead of the A, B, X configs of both Richelieu and Dunkerque.

 

as for the Hermes, it should have been there, seriously. aside from the level bombers and torpedo bombers, the most likely thing that would accompany the IJA kill unit would be one of the carriers that hit Pearl.

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If i remembered somewhere, the carrier that was supposed to escort the PoW and Repulse was too big to go pass the Susie canal or something like that, which delayed her reaching Singapore Base in time. That and the British high command had received reports of Japan attempting to launch an invasion force to Malaya which made them send out PoW and Repulse without air cover. Another thing was that British did not think the (backwater) Japan posed any threat to their great battlewagons.

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Yeah, I know they also had a lot of other technical problems with the quad mount guns which came into play on both Prince of Wale and King George V in their skirmishes with Bismark. New technology not always the best to test out on the battlefield, but they sure do look nice!

 

One of the original configurations planned for the KGV ships was actually twelve 14 inch guns in 3 quad mounts, but they couldn't make it work and the ship would be to unstable with the displacement limits put on its design by the naval treaties. They wanted the 12x 14 inch configuration since they where worried the aforementioned treaties would not be renewed and it would provide a stronger broadside then a 3x 15 inch configuration while abiding by them, it but it was not to be.

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lesson of history~

dont sent your heavy battleship without any air or ships back up~ (well mostly u need air support)

 

That is what happened to Bismarck and yamato

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Super Tester
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Um...... You got the pictures mixed up. 


The first one is HMS Repulse and the second one is HMS Prince of Wales.

Extra tidbit - Prince of Wales was really a new ship. Her engineers and builders were still onboard her when she engaged Bismarck. They were putting the final pieces and final adjustments to her

And I must say, Repulse is certainly one elegant ship

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lesson of history~

dont sent your heavy battleship without any air or ships back up~ (well mostly u need air support)

 

The problem is that they underestimate the air power during that time which is understandable since no one really thought aircraft can sink a battleship until the destruction of Force Z and Pearl Harbour.

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Um...... You got the pictures mixed up. 

 

The first one is HMS Repulse and the second one is HMS Prince of Wales.

 

Extra tidbit - Prince of Wales was really a new ship. Her engineers and builders were still onboard her when she engaged Bismarck. They were putting the final pieces and final adjustments to her

 

And I must say, Repulse is certainly one elegant ship

 

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that she is.

 

if the Royal Navy were to be put in, screw getting KGV battleships, I need the Hood and Repulse in my dock. also, the speed of the battlecruisers may be nice to take on battleships since it has BB grade guns.

 

lel sorry about that. I can't really tell that much about looking at the ships in side view myself since I've been looking at ships at the oblique angle.

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The problem is that they underestimate the air power during that time which is understandable since no one really thought aircraft can sink a battleship until the destruction of Force Z and Pearl Harbour.

 

The British planted the idea of Pearl Harbour in the Japanese by attacking Taranto.

 

IIRC, the Japanese visited Taranto when they heard news that it was attacked by the air as a case study for carrier tactics and also draw lessons from it

 

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It will be nice to have Battlecruiser line in the game, and I vote for Tier X RN Battlecruiser line is Vanguard

 

wait, isn't the Vanguard a fast battleship thats colleagues with the Iowa class in that regard? the G3 battlecruiser would be its tier X.

 

assuming that even without air cover it would still be capable of defending itself from plane spam.

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wait, isn't the Vanguard a fast battleship thats colleagues with the Iowa class in that regard? the Lion would fit in as that regard but the G3 battlecruiser would be its tier X.

 

assuming that even without air cover it would still be capable of defending itself from plane spam.

 

I choose Vanguard as Tier X in Battlecruiser Line since basically Vanguard Is a battleship with Incredible speed but Lower Firepower with her 2 x 4 x 15 inch(Same with Revenge, Queen Elizabeth, and Hood)

But I do agree when G3 comes Vanguard will be dragged to tier 9

 

 

 

 

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In Battlestations: Midway, there is a mission where your the Japanese and you had to sink Prince of Wales and Repulse. The cache is that the RN had HMS Hermes as fighter escort with navy version Hurricanes, quite a tricky challenge to complete but all the worth.

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In Battlestations: Midway, there is a mission where your the Japanese and you had to sink Prince of Wales and Repulse. The cache is that the RN had HMS Hermes as fighter escort with navy version Hurricanes, quite a tricky challenge to complete but all the worth.

 

As in Pacific but the strange thing there is that how in the world did Buffaloes reach Force Z's position when afaik the freakin planes were all the way at Australia and the ones camping at Singapore were only shitloads of ships. I still wonder why the destroyers too had a few AA guns unloading at the sky but its likely the pom poms and large caliber AA weren't meant for blasting high altitude bombers. torpedo bombers however....

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The Buffaloes were stationed in Malaya at the time in service with the RAAF and perhaps some with the RAF as well.

At any rate the Buffaloes were soon found to be outclassed in every way by the Japanese aircraft they faced, and were decimated in the sky; that's when they weren't destroyed on the ground by the rapidly advancing Japanese forces.

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err... Prince of Wales got hit by lucky one torpedo .. 
which knocked out a prop ( reduced speed ); flooding and knocking out a whole lot of electrical power... 

also typical of european made machinery, the heat and humidity didn't do really nice things to the ready ammo for the pom-poms; check out the wiki on QF 2 pounder naval guns. and their radar...

 

lucky hits, faulty electricals, machinery & ammo....  
 

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