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Intresting stuff I found on USS Montana that may or may not be in game

Make montana great again!  

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  1. 1. Montana needs historical double belt

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    • no
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  2. 2. Montana needs 3x3x18" guns

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  3. 3. Montana should have super heavy freedom shells for 18" guns

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  4. 4. Donald Trump capt. event (I had to come up with a random question because I can't figure out how to remove question)

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Hi all

 

So I was reading Jane's battleships of the 20th century and for anyone who does not know about books  branded with Jane's are basically archived facts about ships using given by government although sometimes they are used to spread propaganda for example The British used the book to say that the INVINCIBLE CLASS had 10" guns so the germans built Butcher armed with 8.6" but the INVINCIBLE CLASS actually had 12" guns.

 

So according to this book Montana:

 

Has 2 belts the first belt everyone knows is the 16" belt on the outside but covering the citadel and machinery spaces is another 7" belt so in game a citadel hit to a montana class should actually be a shell that has pierced 23" of armour The game should be reworked so that montana may get alot of standard pens by shells penning it's 16" armour but citadels should be rare and only ships with the ability to pierce 584mm of armour should be scoring citadel hits

 

on top of that it was considered to carry an 18" main battery (457mm) main battery but then reconsidered and instead they decided 16" guns in 3 quadruple turrets then changed to the gun layout the current in game montana has.

 

It would be great if WG could buff montana's armour to what it was historically meant to be and also give it 18" battery ( for Yamato lovers Yamato still has largest caliber gun (18.1"/460mm) by 3 mm

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Jane's Books are good to read but a lot of what is in there can be off the mark (one of my favourites is the Grumman Hellcat had top speed over 400mph :D).

Must admit hadn't seen Janes write up on the Montana (I have 'Janes fighting ships of world war II' plus a couple other Jane's), but I'm sure as with all ships there were multiple designed and I'm guessing the 18' guns were dropped as an option because they would have to first design this gun, easier and quicker to use a gun already in service.

 

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To be honest the Montana is one of my most played ships and i don't think we need 18" shells as It's 16" shells are pretty good, I would prefer to see them have more of their characteristics that they should have had. But in terms of T10 balance It's still very competitive, It plays different to both Kurfurst & Yamato you just need to play it accordingly.

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Jane's Books are good to read but a lot of what is in there can be off the mark (one of my favourites is the Grumman Hellcat had top speed over 400mph :D).

Must admit hadn't seen Janes write up on the Montana (I have 'Janes fighting ships of world war II' plus a couple other Jane's), but I'm sure as with all ships there were multiple designed and I'm guessing the 18' guns were dropped as an option because they would have to first design this gun, easier and quicker to use a gun already in service.

 

 

except the F6F could go 391mph so it was only 9 MPH off

 

Donald Trump as captain. . . Why was I thinking about that during the week?

 

I would laugh if there was an event like that

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18 inch gun ?

That Idea is scraped so early. because US comited to make 2 Ocean Navy. 18 inch gun will make her beam to wide for Panama Canal.

 

In any "What If" imaginary Navy did in WW2. US is the one that cant go further than 16 inch.

Super Yamato and H44 both use 20inch gun

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18 inch gun ?

That Idea is scraped so early. because US comited to make 2 Ocean Navy. 18 inch gun will make her beam to wide for Panama Canal.

 

In any "What If" imaginary Navy did in WW2. US is the one that cant go further than 16 inch.

Super Yamato and H44 both use 20inch gun

 

Actually the montanas in game already couldn't pass the panama canal and they were approved this goes with Midway as well

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Actually the montanas in game already couldn't pass the panama canal and they were approved this goes with Midway as well

 

Montana can Pass 1942 Planned Expansion Lock of Panama Canal. (Maximum Beam are 41 meters - Montana Beam are 37 meter).

All US new Dreadnought were planned with expansion in mind (The Two-Ocean Navy Act). but the expansion were canceled because of the war effort

 

History of USS Illinois (BB-65) stated, that the supposed to be the first Montana Class Hull were retrofited into IOWA hull. because the Canal Expansion were canceled.

 

18inch Battlship would require the beam to be 45-50 meters wide. its can be 10 meter wider and much bigger displacement than the Gerald R Ford Supercarrier. (which put her around 30-35% larger than ingame kurfurst and around 100 meter longer than shokaku).

Even the 2006 Panama Expansion Canal were not wide enough for that (Nimitz class can Pass the canal since its expansion btw)

 

ingame she would be so inmanuvarable + Fire Magnet - 

that player will chose to snipe with her and we can agree that sniper BB is bad dont we

 

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I am fine with this as long as we give the German ship the theoretical 19/20 inch guns. 

 

Kurfurst is H41 not H44

Kurfurst and Fredy should have Torpedo tubes. at T9-T10 torps is more usefull than pea shooting secondary

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hahah dis gon be gud

 

I mean GK no fun zone with armor

Yamato is potato's choice  good gun, good protection?

then Montana is what the heck no pen zone with AA and AA and AA

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Double belt? Well, no.
Actually there ain't another 7" belt. The BB-67-4 design, which was final, had a 16.1" belt for protecting the waterline and formed a "armor case" with the 6.1"-5.8" armored deck. There was, however, a belt 3.2"-8.5"-3.75" thick which was directly at the side of the machinery. But this belt was underwater and served as a protecting against diving shells.

So let's make this simple. What will a shell have to pass through to get into Montana's machinery?  There are three ways. 1. Penetrate the 6.1"/5.8" Armored deck. 2.Penetrate the 16.1"/19° Side belt. 3.Dive underwater, penetrate the TDS, and penetrate the 3.2"-8.5"-3.75" underwater protecting.
18" gun designs never reached final stage of design. All BB-65 designs were 16" except a 14". And the BB-67 designs made after the last two (5th and 6th) Iowa-class were ordered, were all 16".
And Donald Trump? Oh yes! Yes please! I want a little person walking on deck and giving speeches!

Can anyone tell me how to attach a picture using the mobile version? I hope I can post the armor layout of BB-67-4 and a nice pic of Trump

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Double belt for montana would be a good idea. Then maybe a slight change to her dispersion to be worse at long range but a lot more accurate at mid range to make it like this

- GoKu godike secondary, 12 420mm and uncitadelable armor at close range for close quarter

- Montana double belt that can't be citadel from faraway but can still be cit at close range, 12 16inch and powerful AA for mid range combat

- Yamato overall powerful armor and biggest shell for long range fight

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I would rather if they correct the citadel area  model by lower  the citadel just like the North Carolina.Her citadel is just too big and isnt she and Iowa supposed to have a similair citadel layout like the North Carolina? 

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I would rather if they correct the citadel area  model by lower  the citadel just like the North Carolina.Her citadel is just too big and isnt she and Iowa supposed to have a similair citadel layout like the North Carolina? 

 

She is. But War Gaming purposefully modeled it wrong because they don't want people to get the impression that the Montana can stand up to the Yamato... Because you know, she is supposedly the best battleship in World War 2 and even the ship that was made to counter her is inferior to her

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