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I'm sick of these selfish DD players in my team - rant

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As the title says, I am getting sick of these selfish DD players that seem to be always in my team.  :izmena:

 

When I play my CVs, the DD players ALWAYS turns off their AA, then they yell at me to spot for them. The whole teams says "spot CV".

 

I do what they request,  try to help out the team, but am usually confronted with enemy planes (usually IJN planes), so the bet thing to do, is to bait the enemy planes & drag them over our ships so that AA, then our team our DDs ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP WIPE THEM OUT, but what happens instead?

our DDs turn off their AA nowadays, so my planes end up getting wiped out,  the DDs with thier tunnel thinking believe that they are invisible with it switched off, WELL WAKE UP GUYS, you are not invisible when enemy planes fly over you anyway figiting my planes, so logic suggests to turn your AA on, so you can help your own CV PLANES by wiping out or reducing the enemy planes.

 

You say "oh, let the cruisers do the AA work?  Well, they always nick off to do their own thing too, so there is no teamwork to help CV planes, yet you all want us CVs to spot for you, to bomb enemy DDs, to torp other ships, but you dont want to help our LIMITED SUPPLYof planes, esp if its a US carrier....

 

What usually happens then in the game, everyone swears at the poor CV player, yelling out "noob, bad  CV player , shouldn't play, stupid CV  etc etc", but how many of you ACTUALLY TRY TO WORK IN TANDEM with your CV ?

 

I know for one, that I do, when I play my high AA ships, or my ships that has AA, I actually invite our CVs to bring the enemy planes over me, so I can help his planes with the enemy planes. ..

 

I rarely see anyone else do that.

 

So, stop being selfish, DDs, help your CV by wiping out enemy planes quickly, & not gripe about our planes "showing the enemy where you are" by flying over you.... you are not the only ships on the water...

 

Either do the right thing & help, or stop asking CVs to spot for you or bomb enemy DDs (which I also try to do to help our DDs out), or stop playing altogether because you are not helpful, & thats why everyone picks on these "solo warriors".

 

I am sure other CV players will agree with at least SOME of the points I make here.

 

Rant over.

 

Ordrazz

 

 

 

 

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there are lots of good dd player there who knows what they are doing like spotting and setting smoke screen for their allies. but like any other ship type there are noobs too who come from lower tier them move to higher tier and still using lower tier tactics. like hugging map border to sneak and sink enemy cv. or just sneaking behind enemy because they think they can sink the battleship without problems.

 

i saw lots of dd in domination who ignore the cap to sneak because they think that capping don't give exp. :teethhappy: but hey, there are selfish cruiser, battleship and cv player too. its not the dd are selfish. its some player who are playing them are selfish.

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To the OP, out of curiosity, what's your opinion on DDs who are scouting way ahead of the team who then are furiously requesting air cover when they become spotted by an enemy CVs aircraft but then get no help from a friendly CV and end up either getting killed or coming out with barely enough health to comfortably do anything to help? Then the DD gets the torrent of "useless DD' "DD scout please" etc... I can understand what you're saying but what about all the times when a DD asks for a little support from a CV and gets nothing? Not trying to start a fight or anything just wanting your thoughts on this.

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LOL wut?

 

Words....stuck ... in ... throat, do not know where to begin.

 

This is a troll post right? Please tell me you are trolling!

 

EDIT : Okay, I just did something I hate and looked up your stats, you have zero games in DDs so maybe that explains your one sided view re DDs and AA.

 

Except for probably the end game, if a DD is doing his thing and up front spotting, if he turns on his AA - he is dead meat, simple as that. And the AA is average at best, even on the higher tier US DDS to get decent AA they have to give up a gun, and to get defensive AA they lose the Speed boost consumable ( I think). And the other nations, the AA is not even worth worrying about, the detection penalty for what is poor AA  negates the great concealment strength of DD.

 

Have a look in the port view at the actual AA rating of the DDs you have issues with, then you might understand why they DDs don't turn on their AA.

 

I actually tried an AA build on the Farragut ( or maybe Mahan one or the other ). yeah, that build lasted 2 games. even with def AA and the C hull the AA really struggled to shoot anything down. About the only thing it was good for was spreading TB/DB drops if I was playing escort to BBs. 

 

 

Edited by j0e90

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Umm... let me clarify one thing.

 

For DDs, getting perma-spotted by planes is one of the worst possible situation, and most DDs don't have enough AA to actually shoot them down (except higher tier US DDs). And yet, not only you dragged enemy aircrafts to them, but also asking them to shoot them down, which is something a DD isn't supposed to do?

 

I'm sorry, but I don't think you have the right to call them selfish here...

 

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and why of all think you are asking for a DD is AA. you can ask for smoke cover and spotting duty for a dd but AA? are you and idiot OP? there are some exception DD who are good at AA but most DD don't have an adequate AA to protect themselves, i you wanted AA support you should lure enemy planes to cruiser or USN bb. not lure them into helpless dd. are you trolling? why would you lure and enemy planes to a DD who are doing scouting duty?

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Very Selfish CV player

 

indeed, the pot is calling the kettle black. oh wait, the dd is not even a kettle. he is just doing his job scouting while this selfish cv lure enemy planes on top of him.
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indeed, the pot is calling the kettle black.

 

As An IJN DD player

Especially when you are trying to cap without using smoke

That is really a shitty situations

The smoke it self telling enemy DD where to launch their torpedo

And you cant move much in there until the planes are gone

Edited by Harpoon01

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Op, I hope you know that competent cv players always snipe dds first. So it is your job to provide aa cover if you see a strike package is aimed for you dds. Unless ofcourse you think dds are useless and you can win by yourself.

Also, there is a reason why dds turn off their aa when they are in smoke, like it makes any difference for planes, and no one should use dfaa on fighters.

 

I dont play cv myself, but i hang around with lot of good cv players here. There is a thing called strafing which can make things lot easier.

 

Also, at the beginning of the match, mention your loadout, and mention the caps you will cover or scout. Also mention your intention or target so others can react to the situation properly.

 

If you expect aa support from dds, then you are doing it wrong. Maybe play dd instead of cv for a change. Because, dds need aa cover, not spotting.

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Oh, btw, I don't think any CV player will agree with you. I mean, sure there are exceptional cases, but stop luring enemy fighters over your dds, and if you see enemy planes over your torpboat dds, chase them away.

 

You might not be a noob, but you are definitely selfish.

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As An IJN DD player

Especially when you are trying to cap without using smoke

That is really a shitty situations

The smoke it self telling enemy DD where to launch their torpedo

And you cant move much in there until the planes are gone

 

been in those position before, i'm scared of staying in the smoke because of torpedo but if i leave planes will bomb the living hell out of me. in the end it was the cv who sink me because i was force to leave the smoke in fear of enemy torpedo and radar.

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So you are one of those idiots that lure enemy planes over my DD... Only time you can do that is if it's a fletcher or gearing and they say: yes lure them here I have def AA. Don't remember how many times I told the cv to NOT retreat his planes over me while I try to cap because the enemy fighters are chasing his planes

 

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Just looking at OP CV stats, the highest CV you have is only tier 7. there is no DD tier 7 and below that can shoot down planes (in any number) or do much in the way of damage. once you get to tier 8 you can milk a bit of damage out of the Benson but not with the 'C' AA hull use the 'B' hull as it has greater dps at long range (have run testes) Fletcher if it is setup as a AA DD can shoot down plays (52 in one game my record).

 So back to the OP with the tiers you are running and the fact the 99% of players don't run their DD's with AA in mind you should never expect them to help you shoot down planes and as others have said don't take enemy planes to them.

 Some good players have giving you advice (don't count me as a good player). take it and learn.


 

Oh and try a DD for yourself it will help you understand what was mentioned here :great:

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wow you guys are unreal.

Now I don't play CVs, But I totally get what this guy is saying and you lot are only thinking about the bad points of DDs using its AA when there are enemy planes near.

But think about it guys, this is where you need to put you're thinking caps on ok.

Now I play lots of DDs and I do pretty good in a DD ok, and YES I TURN MY AA ON TO HELP DAMAGE ENEMY PLANES, but I do it only if my DD is in the right position on the map,  and only if I am closer to my side of the map or, I am hiding behind  islands, I will turn my AA on and try to do SOME DAMAGE TO THEM EVEN IF I HAVE POOR AA, some damage is better than no damage at all but again it all depends on what area of the map my DD is in.

 

Now CV players also need to take noticed of what part of the map your friendly DD is in ok. If that DD is out in the open and closer to enemy ships and has no chance to get to cover then you MUST KEEP YOUR PLANES AWAY FROM THE EXPOSED DD ok, cuz everyone knows once a DD is spotted in the open it will be dead DD. Yes it is a good idea to try and drag enemy planes over your friendly ships but again you need to make sure your DD if they are close are in the right position to be able to help you out in the first place, as I said no point bringing enemy planes over a DD if he is not in a position to help and that DD is very exposed to enemy fire.

 

Both DD and CV players need to have a think about what is happening on the mini map before making a decision on what is best for the team and for his team mates.

DDs are the most versatile and most important Ship in the game, in my opinion, as the team that has a DD alive has a better chance of winning than a team without a DD, that we can all agree on.

But for you OPs to just shoot this guy down without firstly explaining to him the DOs and DONTS of CV and DD play is just wrong and this is why this forum is so bad.

Edited by yobbo1972

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Well, with all the nerf and stuff, people think CV's only job is to scout. Back then when i play, i tell them to [content removed] off and if they talk back, I go to their stat page and make them stfu; they speak as if I didn't know what I'm doing and I think that's what you should do.

DDs turn off their AA so they don't get spotted immediately since most of the times their AA range outranges their air detection range. Also, why the hell are you luring enemy planes atop of your DDs? You're giving them their positions.

 

Profanity (continued within warning period). Post edited. User sanctioned.

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Well, with all the nerf and stuff, people think CV's only job is to scout. Back then when i play, i tell them to  [content removed]  off and if they talk back, I go to their stat page and make them stfu; they speak as if I didn't know what I'm doing and I think that's what you should do.

 

DDs turn off their AA so they don't get spotted immediately since most of the times their AA range outranges their air detection range. Also, why the hell are you luring enemy planes atop of your DDs? You're giving them their positions.

I see red stuff coming real soon

 

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No need to quote and point out sanctions coming.  Verbal warning.

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the only ships that even have a chance to help shoot planes are fletchers and AA with troll AA build, and even then, THEY HAVE MUCH BETTER THINGS TO DO THEN SHOOT PLANES, i dont mean to bash the OP, but what you are doing is basicly

1: FORCEING A DD TO GIVE UP A TORP RUN/AMBUSH/STOP SCOUTING

2:EXPOSEING THEIR POSITIONS TO THE OTHER TEAM AND GIVING THEM FREE FOOD

3:FORCEING THEM TO WASTE A PRECIOUS SMOKE THAT MIGHT SAVE THEIR LIVES OR THE LIFE OF A BB/CA THAT HAVE LOW HP

 

as you can see, lureing planes over your team's DD is VERY bad for not just the DD, but for the whole team

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