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Scharnhorst HE Performance

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While many (many, many) are excited about the upcoming Premium ship Scharnhorst, there's been some concerns about the performance of her 11-inch guns. According to a Dev response, the Armour Piercing ammunition has a significant penetration drop-off at longer ranges. As a dedicated brawler and cruiser-killer this probably isn't going to be a major drawback, but there will still be plenty of occasions where Scharnhorst must engage enemy battleships outside of brawling range. Sounds like a job for High Explosive! Except the HE rounds don't look too hot at first glance: 3200 damage and 20% fire chance.

 

How does this stack up with her peers? Here's the raw numbers:

 

Scharnhorst

Broadside - 27 shells dealing 86,400 damage and 5.4 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 18 shells dealing 57,600 damage and 3.6 fires per minute.

 

Colorado

Broadside - 16 shells dealing 91,200 damage and 6.1 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 8 shells dealing 45,600 damage and 3.0 fires per minute.

 

Nagato

Broadside - 15 shells dealing 97,500 damage and 4.5 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 7.5 shells dealing 48,750 damage and 2.3 fires per minute.

 

Seems roughly similar to her counterparts and is even superior when fighting bow-on (which will likely be a common attitude for Scharnhorst), though it could be argued that Nagato and Colorado have little use for HE in the first place. In fact, this switching between ammo types sounds distinctly like the style of a cruiser...

 

Scharnhorst

Broadside - 27 shells dealing 86,400 damage and 5.4 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 18 shells dealing 57,600 damage and 3.6 fires per minute.

 

Pensacola

Broadside - 40 shells dealing 112,000 damage and 5.6 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 20 shells dealing 56,000 damage and 2.8 fires per minute.

 

Myoukou

Broadside - 42.9 shells dealing 141,429 damage and 7.3 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 17.1 shells dealing 56,571 damage and 2.9 fires per minute.

 

Shchors

Broadside - 90 shells dealing 198,000 damage and 10.8 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 45 shells dealing 99,000 damage and 5.4 fires per minute.

 

Yorck

Broadside - 40 shells dealing 116,000 damage and 4.8 fires per minute.

Bow arc only - 20 shells dealing 58,000 damage and 2.4 fires per minute.

 

Once again not overly impressive, but quite viable. Also remember that fighting an enemy battleship at long range is the worst possible scenario a Scharnhorst will find herself in. At close range, her AP rounds, torpedoes, secondaries, and heavy armour will no doubt give her the upper hand and against cruisers she will unleash fury at any range. She will probably be better at dealing with destroyers than is usual for a battleship, too.

 

On a side note, I suspect that the HE shell alpha characteristic (and/or caliber) will affect these raw numbers somewhat - Shchors will lose a greater percentage of potential damage to armour absorption than the others, for example.

 

Overall, Scharnhorst is looking to be a very interesting and versatile ship.

Edited by Unraveler

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This is only on paper, cant survive well placed 406mm or 410mm even with bow on. Basically a cruiser killer, but melts in front of bbs. So not sure if that HE alpha can do significant damage in short amount of time. Then again, some ships have good HE resistance.

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I agree that the HE is not her strong point, but I was mildly surprised that it wasn't noticeably inferior either. The German cruisers tend to have terrible HE performance - Yorck is actually the exception here.

 

None of the Tier 7 battleships can survive well-placed 16-inch shells. All of them (including Gneisenau) only have 25mm bow armour which the 16-inch shells overmatch. Even so, her citadel appears to be better protected than the others.

 

Here's a couple of replays you can study:

 

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/13591

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/13703

 

Obviously, these are both exceptional matches (like most replay uploads) but you still get a feel of her tanking ability when under heavy fire.

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got to love how players discuss ships they have yet to play.

 

Replays are fine to watch, and become accustomed to the ship, but wait till you play the ship before you start carrying on about its performance. 

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I expect it to operate much like the Ishizuchi in that regard, which is to save your AP shots for close ranged, broadsided cruisers but spam HE the rest of the time. At least it won't have the deplorable range limitations of the Ishizuchi.

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got to love how players discuss ships they have yet to play.

 

Replays are fine to watch, and become accustomed to the ship, but wait till you play the ship before you start carrying on about its performance. 

 

Having a bad day? I'm not making claims as to its actual performance in battle, just discussing the hard stats that have been released. Scharnhorst's HE rounds are demonstrably not as bad as certain other individuals are claiming.

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no, just having a giggle.....

 

gonna be interesting to see what is said the day she is released, which should be XXX days from now

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