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Nurnberg Skills of Commander.

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With our recently ability to reskill captains on the cheap, it's time to maybe re-examine things. I'm unsure which level 4 skill is the most appropriate for German CA Commander.

 

I'm toying with either AFT or Manual Fire Control. Perhaps neither of these and go Demo expert. 

 

What have other players been disappointed/successful with?

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I went with Demo Expert on my own Nurnberg. The HE shell damage is disappointing, but the good RoF makes fires pretty easily with the DE skill.

 

Haven't tested AFT or Manual Fire Control yet. :(

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go with demo, CV population gets lower and lower the further up the tiers you go, it's not that worth it to invest in AFT or manual when just meeting a CV is like a lottery draw

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but AFT dont apply to 155MM shells anymore...

 

Ah, but it's for the AA value. It  adds 9 to AA, bringing the total AA for the ship to 56.

Not really caring about the extra range.

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I went with Demo Expert on my own Nurnberg. The HE shell damage is disappointing, but the good RoF makes fires pretty easily with the DE skill.

 

Haven't tested AFT or Manual Fire Control yet. :(

 

yep, I agree, the HE is a bit meh. Is it worth having a skill to bump something up to average?

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DE all the way from Konigsberg to Hindenburg for me. For several reasons :

 

- Your primary ammo is AP, but you'll still need HE to shoot DDs and angled BBs. And at tier 8+, your HE actually become a decent choice.

- German CAs have the best hydro in the game. You'll want to use it instead of Defensive AA.

- I've tried using AFT, the AA difference feels negligible. Not really enough to make a difference when a CV really wants you dead.

- CV rarely attacks CA anyway.

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DE all the way from Konigsberg to Hindenburg for me. For several reasons :

 

- Your primary ammo is AP, but you'll still need HE to shoot DDs and angled BBs. And at tier 8+, your HE actually become a decent choice.

- German CAs have the best hydro in the game. You'll want to use it instead of Defensive AA.

- I've tried using AFT, the AA difference feels negligible. Not really enough to make a difference when a CV really wants you dead.

- CV rarely attacks CA anyway.

 Thx, these are all good points.

But DE gives only 3% increased fire chance.  3%.- not that much really.

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DE for me on the Nurberg. AFT is good for the AA, its DPS isnt as good as a cleveland, but with the rare chance of seeing a CV is it worth the AA?

You will always shoot at ships, so DE is the way to go.

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 Thx, these are all good points.

But DE gives only 3% increased fire chance.  3%.- not that much really.

 

don't get fooled by the 'only' 3 %. It is additive, from memory the nurnberg has an 8%(?) fire chance. So you are actually lifting your fire chance by 30 %. And with the very high rate of fire it is worth it, as people have said, CVs aren't super common. Not unusual to go 2 or 3 games at Tier 6 up in a row and not see a CV. And I bet in every game you play either need to shoot at a DD or an angled BB.
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Aft almost useless now on nurnberg. Run hydro and protect fleet from torpedus.

 

And yes, DE is additive, not multiplicative.

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AFT is better, Demolition expert isn't a good idea either for the reason is I quote "Demolition Expert is a good choice to fight BBs, but not as important for the Germans as it is for the other nations because of the weak HE."

 

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Ah, I remember the good ole days when the Nurnberg first came out. It's AP was godly ... you could citadel BBs through their deck armor at range. I even detonated 2 full-health BBs at range. That was hilarious to the max. Then the ninja nerfs came and her AP was "balanced" for "reasons".

 

Now she is a glass cannon support ship which rusts in my port. I'd probably sell her and move her 12-point captain to a German BB if they are any good.

 

That being said, when I do take her out occasionally, I have DE on the captain and I take HA coz German HA is good. Also, since it is a support ship, you'll be sailing in the 2nd line with your BBs. If any DD pops up, I hit HA to spot torpedoes. I use HE on angled BBs to set them on fire and knock out a few modules. If they show broadside, then AP gives good damage on the superstructure.

 

If planes show up, you're in a group AA umbrella, so why worry? Ff playing against a unicum CV driver, you or your BBs that you're escorting are dead anyway.

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 Thx, these are all good points.

But DE gives only 3% increased fire chance.  3%.- not that much really.

 

Trust me it makes it a lot better. On my Benson: set 4 fires in 20 seconds (also blessing of RNGesus) and my Des Moines sets wayyyyyyyyy more fires

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well, after much consideration and taking in all these wonderful views on the matter, i've decided to go with AFT.

 

But i'm not done yet. While the reskilling is cheap, i'll give DE a go and see what happens.

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well, after much consideration and taking in all these wonderful views on the matter, i've decided to go with AFT.

 

But i'm not done yet. While the reskilling is cheap, i'll give DE a go and see what happens.

 

Trust me, DE is the way to go - I had AFT on the Nurnberg way back when aft boosted its primaries and I switched to DE back then.

 

The issue with the 'Nurn is that BOTH its AA and HE ammo is the worst of the T6 cruisers - so either way you are buffing something that is mediocre. And with the AA, we go aft so our big AA guns can reach out and touch further out, well, the Nurns 88mm is pretty woeful, and that is on the C hull Nearly the same DPS as the Budyonny but with a base 4.2km range vs 6km. .  If you are running the B hull for the extra torps, well the AA is even worse. Its 40mm AA guns are just okay, but even with AFT they only have a 4.2 km range.

 

So, yeah, DE for me, you will be firing HE at something every game. You wont see planes every game.

 

 

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AFT is better, Demolition expert isn't a good idea either for the reason is I quote "Demolition Expert is a good choice to fight BBs, but not as important for the Germans as it is for the other nations because of the weak HE."

 

while the HE shell is weak, the fires that it sets aren't dependent on the shell damage but the target ship's HP%. Without DE you're never going to stand a chance at whittling down an enemy battleship's healthpool.

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