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the Gneisenau battleship

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Been a while since I badposted, so why not throw it in there?

 

I PRESENT TO YOU THE LIGHT CRUISER EMERALD BATTLESHIP GNEISENAU

 

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GLORIOUS BATTLESHIP DURING SHAKEDOWN.

 

Interesting bit: both Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had their namesakes on famous Prussian(?) men, Scharnhorst's being Gerhard von Scharnhorst who later wrote books on how to military effectively and to Gneisenau's, August Neidhardt von Gneisenau. Seriously, Germanic names are a tongueful. Both ships also wear the heraldry marks of both men, located right after the anchor holes at the bow.

 

Now as Germany was still gagged due to the Treaty of Versailles literally disabling their capability on how to navy AND adding the fact that the Washington Naval Treaty was still in full effect, it was rather hard during the last 20 years when the Weimar Republic was trying to build a reasonable navy (included in the Versailles observation was the fact Germany cannot produce a massive flotilla of submarines as a loophole to the fact they were barred into making bigger and newer battleships and had to stick to the quota though they could replace old ships), it was then that when German rejected the terms of the Versailles Treaty and began modernizing everything, they realized that the Weimar era Deutschland panzerschiffes werent enough and so had to design a newer ship type that observed treaty rules and at the same time appeased the hell out of the British who were vocal about Germany having new ships: the improved iteration result were the Scharnhorsts from design plans A to C which were basically concepts on how to Deutschland that coincidentally were iterations D for the lead and E for the sister, or as some would say, the Gneisenau class battleships, owing to the fact that Gneisenau was literally the first ship to be keeled with Scharnhorst some months after despite the lumpy ships being commonly named for the lead ship.

 

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Gneisenau as built 1938-39.

 

Well, nothing's that lumpy regarding Gneisenau for most part as she was fairly based on her big sister but with teeny tiny visual and internal details like engines and the mast placement. Gneisenau was protected with about 14 inches of belt, 2 inches of deck, nearly 15 inches of turret and 14 inches of conning tower which is impressive while her main armaments comprised of the same 28cm or 11 inch guns in three triple mount turrets following the same AB-X layout, or in German parlence, AB-C because Anton Bruno, Cesar (Dora was only available during AB-XY type ships), and after being refitted like no tomorrow had some dozen 6 inch guns in six dual mount turrets, some 105's, a bunch of 37mm's and a whole bunch of 20mm's in either single mount or the ubiquitous flakvierling mount. She could run slightly slower than her big sister BUT WHO CARES? With a glorious speed of 31-32 knots, the twins were FAST. Dreadnought armor and glorious battlecruiser speed, what more could you want in a lumpy battleship? I'm going to refer to the Scharnhorst class as The Twins in this as they were usually never separated when sortieing and seal clubbing commerce raiding.

 

About her guns and the twins being rated as battlecruisers ... yeah.

 

The reason why the guns were that small in caliber was because of the English guys getting all antsy at the notion that the twins were "proper" battleships and so had to scale down with the 11 inch guns that, as most people rate, were for battlecruisers and WW1 battleships but that didn't stop the designers to try and cheat by designing the ship as such that it could accept 15 inch guns. Unfortunately, these 15 inch gun Scharnhorsts didnt happen as the new guns, they themselves improved upon their WW1 dread Bayern's (which was sleeping in Gutter Sound, Scapa Flow after the German Admiralty decided for their interned fleet to commit suicide by scuttling) own 15 inch guns, were given to both Bismarck and Tirpitz, which is why the twins were left with their 11 inch guns, not that the things were anywhere super bad as Scharnhorst scored a glorious range hit at 26km with em, making her the second battleship to score a hit on a moving target long range, the other being Warspite. It actually helped that the Germans had nice optics and they had the first iteration of tech assisted fire control which was installed in the form of Seetakt (this chunky thing came in form of that big ass grill like thing at the topmost part of the ship and on the aft that used microwaves to go all "I know where you are exactly" on any target), which, had the conditions been right, allowed the battleship to theoretically scan anything within 250km though the recorded effective range for gun laying was at 20km. These 11 inch guns were too small for battleship standards and add the notion they were sleek and at the same time fast, it wasn't farfetched to say they WERE battlecruisers despite their official status as full on battleships, even if they ran away from any capital ships because lol orders to not fight anything at their level and continue to be thugs to merchant shipping. 

 

And there's the ruddy engines...

 

Not like they were bad in output, they had this freaky tendency to go sideways as Scharnhorst demonstrated as she was fairly undamaged but could not accompany Bismarck and Prinz Eugen and Gneisenau was in dry dock and she was being bombed to high hell by the RAF as in that time, their bomber command intensified their bombings since the Blitz is happening and all in the UK.

 

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How to Gneisenau:

top - mod 1941 with Atlantic bow fitted

middle - mod 1943 "Cerberus" fit

bottom - mod 1944 with the projected refit and 15 inch guns replacement

 

Well wasn't long after she was floated out to test for defects in the hull when she had her shakedown and, like her sister, they found out she got soaked in the forward section when the seas went really wild and so had fitted her with the same Atlantic bow and after which, was with her big sister and several cruisers and destroyers for a patrol to project their force and to ease up Graf Spee's condition as she was literally being hounded by the heavy cruiser Exeter and her light cruiser consorts though it resulted in the Battle of Rio de la Plata (TL: River Plate) and the panzerschiffe committing suicide because she could not fix herself in time and she only got 72 hours to stay in a neutral country after her commerce raids. After those patrols, they intercepted and blasted an auxiliary cruiser Rawalpindi and as she and her sister were picking up survivors after blasting the poor ship down to the water, the Town cruiser Newcastle appeared off the horizon as they were still in the midst of picking up survivors in the water and had to run as it was most certain the cruiser just pinged a quick reaction force to run them down... and ping she did. Ships that responded were Hood, the two Nelsons, and Dunkerque which tried to chase the twins but failed as the two reached safely to home base though were whacked hard by winds and seas after steaming full speed. It was in this respite where Gneisenau got fitted again as she was in a slightly bad state than her sister.

 

Getting her bearings together, they participated in the invasion of Denmark and Norway as floating batteries and as guards since the British may send a task force to wipe out the beachheads they set up but their initial attacks didnt come from the surface, but rather from the air, as the RAF Bomber Command decided it was a nice time to greet the ships again. The campaign had more red lights flashing when Glowworm YOLO'd right to Admiral Hipper after sending out a contact report though Hipper wasn't that severely damaged and earned herself a Die Hard badge, Glowworm sank after executing the YOLO move though as a side effect, brought the twins to battlestations. It was during this campaign where Gneisenau found Renown with her Seetakt radar but she couldn't get close enough to effective range when Renown unloaded at her and Scharnhorst was suffering FCS malfunction as well. Taking 3 hits from the battlecruiser which smashed her Seetakt, disabled turret X and some of her equipment, she and Scharnhorst ran, making that skirmish inconclusive though Gneisenau popped 2 rounds that didnt do severe damage on Renown as a result though the closest the twins could have done is straddle the cruiser because during that engagement, their new Atlantic bows didn't actually help much with seakeeping again. After kissing a magnetic mine (how to naval mine: proximity is basically using magnetism to trigger the explosion when the ship is close enough, magnetic means the mine floats to the target because lolmagnet. there's a reason why ships like Hipper had degaussing coils in the hull to reduce the chances of mines), she had her tenure of killing helpless baby seals that could not fight back just like a thug should SINKING merchant ships or capturing em, the twins found and whacked the carrier Glorious and her escorts where Gneisenau would see her sister use glorious aimbot to score a long range hit.

 

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Because glorious bow.

 

She was used as the command ship where Commander Gunther Leutjens, yes the same commander who died with Bismarck, was serving his early tenure on Gneisenau and his first reception aboard during combat were torpedo strikes that flooded the ship and gave her a small list though emergency repairs were done so she could reach home base for full repair, and adding the fact that a big task force was out there for blood looking for them. Most of her early tenure was blasting merchant shipping as part of the commerce raiding duties they did alongside her big sister, hell most of the twins' kill tallies were merchant ships and they didn't commit themselves to combat with another capital ship such as skirting the hell out of Malaya and there was that amusing yet literal laugh inducing moment of HMS Rodney's first encounter with Gneisenau: as the battleship decimated a whole convoy, one of the ships sunk, a fridge ship, managed to ping an SOS while Gneisenau popped her at range thinking she was a ninja'd cruiser out for recon. As she was mulling about, Rodney appeared in the horizon and challenged Gneisenau from afar using the blinking lantern with "WHAT SHIP" (the blinking lantern or signal lamp is that lamp with a button used by signalmen on a high point of the ship to send out messages in Morse Code), which commander Leutjens had the signalman answer "LIGHT CRUISER EMERALD". Rodney then proceeded to collect survivors in the water and Gneisenau, after sorting out internal problems, got the hell out of dodge before Rodney realized that thing was the enemy. Camping in France wasn't any better as the RAF molested her repeatedly with bombs and torps while under repair, in fact one strike whacked her a bit. It was this heavy bombing by the RAF bomber command that she could not sortie with Bismarck and as a result, the lone battleship had Prinz Eugen, which was available for tasking as Scharnhorst's engines and rudder went balls-to-the-wall and she had maintenance then. Okay you shipgirl shlubs, you can put away your battleship x heavy cruiser girls love doujins and stop with the heavy breathing that Bismarck's ONLY consort was Prinz Eugen kthxbai.

 

Then came the moment of truth: mustache boy wanted all active capital ships to run back to Kiel and Wilhelmshaven to interdict arctic convoys but that would mean the ships in France would go through the narrow Pas de Calais where both sides of that strait had every strongpoint and shore battery that could thwart an invasion. This gauntlet run, with the aid of the Luftwaffe (air force) Bf-109's and Fw-190's screening from the air, was known as Operation Cerberus, or in most to shlubs, the Channel Dash. When I said it was a gauntlet run, I meant it. Scharnhorst and Gneisenau got hit by mines, the RAF sent Swordfishes to try and go for torpedo runs, some destroyers tried to surprise torpedo the squadron but failed due to choppy seas, and to add problems, Gneisenau had a 'tis but a scratch' moment where her hull collided with an underwater wreck.

 

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Dear Rodney, this is light cruiser Emerald over the horizon. No questions asked.

 

She was drydocked and repair commenced to refit her with 15 inch guns and more AA guns to the suite, it was more pressing that the Fuhrer, already lost his confidence with the Kriegsmarine because Graf Spee committed suicide, Bismarck was hunted down by a vengeful hunter-killer task force led by Renown and too committed suicide before the task force could deal the coup de grace, Scharnhorst was caught by a task force led by Duke of York, and now Gneisenau was totaled because during a bombing mission, turret B's magazine went boom due to red hot fragments doing their thing, had a massive ragequit and stopped the repair and refit of the ruddy battleship and in the end, her guns were used as shore defense batteries (one still survives even today) and the ship herself was sunk as a blockship to halt the advance by sea to Germany where she was scrapped eventually. A sad end for such a good looking battleship.

 

In-game wise, Gneisenau will probably be a whole new world to the most seasoned of battleship players at tier 7 pretty much like how Furutaka slaps you in how to heavy cruiser at tier 5 in the Japanese cruiser tree compared to Pensacola in how to heavy cruiser... "heavy" cruiser.... at tier 7 because unlike the Americans or the Japanese battleship trees where tier 7 presented their pinnacle dreadnoughts the Colorado and Nagato, the Germans historically stopped their dreadnoughts with Bayern as the L20 was never put into motion which SHOULD make it into an ideal tier 7 as it would literally be a super Bayern. It is with this, Gneisenau will practically be the first post-dreadnought battleship with the arrival of the German battleships, dethroning North Carolina as the first post-dread battleship to be built keel up (actually, Amagi and Kongo don't count because they were refitted from battlecruisers and given the time frame, battlecruiser =/= battleship just yet at the time. There's a difference between being built as a post-dreadnought battleship keel up and being reformatted from an existing ship type even if said ship type blurred when the concept of the post-dread came about). 

 

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Edited by EvyL

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How the 380mm(15inch) come from? 

 

After Cerberus/Channel Dash, Gneisenau was planned to have the intended rearming both sisters were originally slated for before the Bismarcks came to be since the barbette was designed so it could carry said turret and gun weight. That exactly didnt effectively happen since Gneisenau was attacked by aerial assault and severely crippled.

 

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After Cerberus/Channel Dash, Gneisenau was planned to have the intended rearming both sisters were originally slated for before the Bismarcks came to be since the barbette was designed so it could carry said turret and gun weight. That exactly didnt effectively happen since Gneisenau was attacked by aerial assault and severely crippled.

 

 

So they foiled the plan after Gneisenau loss :hmm:

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So they foiled the plan after Gneisenau loss :hmm:

 

Well Scharnhorst sank in 1943 and Gneisenau was the last of the sisters alive before suffering the crippling hit~

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Hey I wonder about her badge

 http://imgur.com/a/PsLXl

 

Even Bismarck class nobody mention about the Badge  

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The real #Gneisenau hd (3X3) gun torrets instead of(3x2) as in the game.#Rectify the error.

 

 

 

Weell~ about that....

 

Only Scharnhorst has those 11 inch guns because of her state as a premium ship despite the fact Gneisenau also had em. The RUdevs INTENTIONALLY gave Gneisenau a "what-if" refit because not only it is slated historically, it enables the ship to fight on the same level as their peers. And the notion of "modular battleship" doesn't really click for the RUdevs.. Those turrets are basically the ones they were to have when they were rearmed as the 11 inch guns were there so that the British wouldn't be antsy mofos until they were given to the Bismarcks and that turret design can NOT carry an additional gun for triple barrel mounts as it would be too heavy and the Germans didn't really like the notion of having turrets having more than two guns on a turret housing

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that turret design can NOT carry an additional gun for triple barrel mounts as it would be too heavy and the Germans didn't really like the notion of having turrets having more than two guns on a turret housing

 

Their gun cradle and ammo hoist design, is not compact enough

because germans gun cradle design defficiency, it took them 50% more space than other nation did

 

Interestingly enough, IJN warships use cradle system that similiar to germans. which surprised american at that time (US always presumed japan use British gun cradle)

but unlike German, Japan managed to solve the problems - which beutifully applied to Yamato

German on the other hands, still stucks on that problem. thats why their design like H39, have more than 4.6 meters spacing betwen Guns

 

its not like they dont like the notion of having more than 2 guns in the turret, they just can not fit one in

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