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Scharnhorst and Dunkerque

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Yes, have been checking the official website a few times a day to look for their availability.

 

Premium ships don't usually turn up in the premium shop till  Tuesdays (around 5pm NZ time for us)

 

Although the recent Wild Bunch group was a Friday which was really unusual 

 

 

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Still waiting for anyone on YouTube to review this ship

 

It's still under testing and NDA lol.

What you are seeing is someone "ghost riding" a super tester.

The ship as you see it now is NOT guaranteed to be what is sold.

The developers will go through the data from the super tester's efforts on the live server to see what balance changes need to be made before it is released.

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It's still under testing and NDA lol.

What you are seeing is someone "ghost riding" a super tester.

The ship as you see it now is NOT guaranteed to be what is sold.

The developers will go through the data from the super tester's efforts on the live server to see what balance changes need to be made before it is released.

 

It's still fresh in my mind the Arizonagate

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The French Dunkerque is interesting, I heard WG say a month or so ago IIRC that a new nation was being introduced to the game and I could sweat they said it wasn't France...nice trolling if that was the case

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Bastille Day and no Dunkerque  :(.

 

 

Hmm a ship whose history is bleak at best - built to counter the German "pocket battleships" ( never encountered).

 

Sails to Mediterranean and gets shelled by Brits,  and then scuttled so as to avoid  capture 

 

Two ships, Dunkerque and Strasbourg, were completed. Together they formed the 1ère Division de Ligne ("1st Division of the Line"), and saw service during the early years of the Second World War. While they never encountered the German pocket battleships they were designed to counter, they suffered the British attack of Mers-el-Kebir, and stayed under the Vichy authorities control until they were scuttled at Toulon in November 1942.

 

It looks like a mini Izumo (minus one turret)

 

Now the Scharnhorst on the other hand.................

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Somewhat OT,but it appears the Gneisenau ( Scharnhorst tech tree sister ship ) will only come with 15 inch guns,no 11 inch option:

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2016/07/15/wows-qa-15th-july-2016/#more-27555

 

 “For all of those who are not aware of this conundrum, here is a brief summary: players are questioning the developers’ decision to equip the premium ship Schranhorst with her historical 283mm guns whereas the standard Gneisenau is planned to be equipped with 380mm guns.

More than once, we have explained that historicity cannot be entirely supported in the game for several reasons. We try to conform to historical realities or at least take them into consideration but the gameplay will always come first. In some rare cases, we have decided not to implement certain changes because of their glaring inconsistency with reality, but it happened extremely rarely. On the other hand, we try to model our ships as close to their historical counterpart as possible. Standard ships represent their class whereas premium ships represent one concrete ship in a given period.

Do some ships have errors or lack precision ? Of course. We are progressively identifying and fixing them. In our Supertesters team, we have one expert whose work for the year ahead is to fix all these little things.

Have we already deliberately forsaken historicity for gameplay ? 100% yes. As an example, we can take the AA configuration of Atago or Arizona (to make them more balanced, the first one had her AA made worse, the second one, better) or the coats of arms displayed on German ships (during combat, they were not displayed, but they are rather pleasing to the eye). There are a lot more of these examples.

The calibers on German BB’s follow the same deliberate choice.

Here are the reasons behind our decision:

1. We currently think that it is best to avoid caliber size going back and forth when advancing in a line. Regarding Scharnhorst, it’s not a problem since it is a premium ship and stands apart from the main line. Regarding Gneisenau, the problem is as follows:

283-305-305-380-380-380-406-406. This is the current caliber progression.

If we had equipped Gneisenau with her historical guns, it would be 283-305-305-380-283-380-406-406.

When gun caliber changes drastically, players have to change the tactics they use considerably. In general, when the main gun caliber changes, it is a risky and stressful moment. Just remember for example the jumps that occur when hopping on Pensacola or Furutaka. Both ships are more difficult to learn because players have to change the way they approach these ships’ gameplay.

Let’s not forget about the enemy ships Gneisenau will face. They are equipped with 410 and 406 mm guns. In this case, a decrease in caliber can be even more off-putting.

2. One ship having more than one gun caliber size option is, sadly, a bad idea. According to our research, Mogami, which is often cited as an example, having the gameplay option between being a heavy cruiser and a HE spam monster is negatively affecting the “audience” of the ship. Now, players are talking more about the satisfaction this ships brings, how it affects their desire to get better and master the game (etc.) than the ship’s combat effectiveness.

3. We are not against sometimes releasing sisterships or developing premium ships that play like their standard counterparts. However, in this case, taking into account the arguments that were previously given, we had the opportunity to release a premium BB with an unusual gameplay (Scharnhorst + 283 mm) as well as fit a standard ship into the BB line (Gneisenau + 380 mm), which will be a logical step in regards to the lower and higher tier ships.

We believe that both ships will be interesting to play as well as being different and needing different styles and tactics. We also believe that with our current plans each of these remarkable ships will find its place.

When both ships will be made available to everyone, we will see if we were right. Currently, we have however no reason to change our plans or question them.

Thank you for your attention !”

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That's rubbish.

Make the "standard" ship the one available in the ship tree, i.e. the 11" gunned Scharnhorst, and the 15" Gneisenau as the premium ship - as the special "what if?" variant.

Poor choice.

 

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That's rubbish.

Make the "standard" ship the one available in the ship tree, i.e. the 11" gunned Scharnhorst, and the 15" Gneisenau as the premium ship - as the special "what if?" variant.

Poor choice.

 

Tee

 

Agreed, the Russian Cruiser line is a perfect example of the Devs hypocrisy, going from 7"  Gunned Kirov to 6" Budyounny or even the Bogatyr going from 150mm to 130mm guns as well...

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Agreed, the Russian Cruiser line is a perfect example of the Devs hypocrisy, going from 7"  Gunned Kirov to 6" Budyounny or even the Bogatyr going from 150mm to 130mm guns as well...

 

a premium tier 7 with 9 15" gun is interesting too, but i do also like scharnhorst 11" making her better for close range against bb and mid range against cruisers.

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:aqua:How many dunkerque's will we see sailing backwards like pro's with those forward facing turrets only.  

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It won't get released until this season of ranked is over.

 

So at least next week onwards.

 

Maybe another reason why it's taking so long for the Scharnhorst  - from the devs themselves 

 

 "......... I will also add that you should not make premature conclusions regarding the effectiveness of ships that are still being tested. For now and from what the tests have shown, Scharnhorst is too performant and it’s unlikely it will be released in her current state. We will slightly tweak her and test her once more."

 

 

http://www.himmelsdorf.com/questions-and-answers-from-the-ru-forum-19-07-2016/

 

Edited by Kapitan_Zur_See_Hoffmann

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Maybe another reason why it's taking so long for the Scharnhorst  - from the devs themselves 

 

 "......... I will also add that you should not make premature conclusions regarding the effectiveness of ships that are still being tested. For now and from what the tests have shown, Scharnhorst is too performant and it’s unlikely it will be released in her current state. We will slightly tweak her and test her once more."

 

 

http://www.himmelsdorf.com/questions-and-answers-from-the-ru-forum-19-07-2016/

 

NOO please No, no, nope. What else does the devs want to nerf? Anything but the guns.. please

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NOO please No, no, nope. What else does the devs want to nerf? Anything but the guns.. please

 

Oh yes

 

Because you can't ever have an op GERMAN ship.....oh no that's just not happening 

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Oh yes

 

Because you can't ever have an op GERMAN ship.....oh no that's just not happening 

The devs better not ruining her completly.. one wrong nerf and she'll be an atlanta for sure

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