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Why aren't there any T8 in Ranked S4

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The topic says it all. Why haven't I seen any tier 8s in Ranked in S4? Tier 8 has many good ships, many unforgettable ships, and the thing is most T7s are trash except for Nagato, Myoko and its ARP colleagues and Kiev (especially Nagato), aside from those 3 it's so scarce to see any others. And because in those 3 Nagato is the best it's very common to catch the amount of BBs in queue equal to the number of CAs and DDs granted. By the way, people are starting to complain about 3 BB battles.

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all the T7 ships have fatal flaws in some way or another

non prems

nagato: NO protection at all from 410MM shells, rusted rudder

colorado:slow and HE restiance is too low

myoko:needs to show very large broadsides to use all it's guns

pencacola:too many flaws to name

yorck:again, too many flaws to name

schors: bad rudder shift and tissue armor

hatsuharu: not too bad, but considering the number of gunboat DDs out there, almost will certenly never live past a singel cap contest, unless you dont cap which will make your team lose

mahan: too slow and detection is a bit high for cap contesting unless you have a high level captain

kiev:you are seen miles and miles away+your HP is way too low for a T7 DD

prems

indi: not too bad, considering it has radar, but still pretty weak armor

atlanta: hard pressed to do damage in big open maps

sims:WTF torps and not available for purchase now, otherwise a great cap contested and DD hunter

blys: bad rudder shift, lower ROF on it's guns, and very difficult to train captains on unless you have been training it since first release, other wise it's the best ship for rank IMHO

(wont mention CVs cuz i am not a CV player)

 

the point is, unlike T8 ships which brings a lot more dynamics into the match, T7 shoot outs are very dull, and the choices are limited 

 

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I'm also wondering about this. Tier 8 has so many good ships which makes for more lenient ship choices. On the other hand, tier 7 has only one or two ships in each class which can be considered competitive. I really don't understand why WG decided to make RB in tier 7. :amazed:
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I Like the T7 Ranked, no Atago, Kutuzov or Tirpitz all expensive premiums. 

 

in T8 there are plenty of nonprem ships to choose from that can match a prem ship toe for toe, while in T7 the only option is either nagato, myoko, or mahan, sims, wica, the other ships will pretty much drag your team down

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The topic says it all. Why haven't I seen any tier 8s in Ranked in S4? Tier 8 has many good ships, many unforgettable ships, and the thing is most T7s are trash except for Nagato, Myoko and its ARP colleagues and Kiev (especially Nagato), aside from those 3 it's so scarce to see any others. And because in those 3 Nagato is the best it's very common to catch the amount of BBs in queue equal to the number of CAs and DDs granted. By the way, people are starting to complain about 3 BB battles.

 

All are trash? Except Nagato/Myoko/Kievs?.....

1. Get 1 T7 CV in each game[which does happen] and Colorado will outshine the nagato rather easily. Also, its easy for nagato to citadel a colo from long range, however try pitting a Colorado vs Nagato in a 8km distance with equally skilled players, see which one comes out alive. Almost all maps other Ocean and Atlantic has enough islands around to use as cover to get close. [However this entire scenario is hypothetical, since usually both are too busy trying to make sure they dont catch fire from the HE spamming of cruisers]. 

 

2. Myoko being superior to all other T7 cruisers, well yes that is true, however pensa isnt useless either, in games with CVs/lots of islands it does have its benefits, though still behind Myoko. The reason myokos are all over is simply that almost everyone has it, even the ones that sold their original myokos or other T7s and moved upto the later tiers.... - Blame the annoying ARP myoko giveaways for this..... 

 

3. Kiev is sad...... in TB, blyska has an upper hand, even Mahan to be fair.. kiev's horrible concealment literally means enemy always has the first shot..... and god forbid if there are more than 1 enemy dd close by, kiev wont be recovering from that. Also if opponents have Ranger/Saipan[bomber config] Kievs tend to suffer quite a bit. 

 

 

Oh and DRAKon33....

 

Tier 6s and 7s are probably the most balanced tiers in the entire game [except for ognevoi, its just painful]. They do not lack in game dynamics in any way than tier 8, where things are still being balanced and rebalanced massively, [eg, last Trump sponsored update where they made America great again, jk].

 

If it was tier 7 & 8...there would have been no Nagatos, nor Mogamis, a few Amagis.. Full of Carolina{FOR AA} & Orleans {RADAR}. Cause, when there is a lexi or shokaku around, lulz IJN BBs wont stand a chance. Also, do imagine a game with 3 Fubukis in 1 team.. 27 torps travelling 15 km.. -_-', even if 1 or 2 from each set of 9 manage to find metal... its doomsday for the enemy..... Area saturation & denial becomes way too easily accessible from tier 8. 

 

Again, tier 6s & 7s have no less dynamics than tier 8, and ranked mode is supposed to be more about individual skill, and mutual co-ordination among strangers, for completely organized gameplays, Team battles did go on for last couple of months. :) . Ranked mode not only promotes the development of a player's ingame skills but also of leadership principles communication in a multi-lingual arena.  [ Basically to see how acceptable someone's lead would be in a game, if all the other 6 be willing to follow it out..]

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All are trash? Except Nagato/Myoko/Kievs?.....

1. Get 1 T7 CV in each game[which does happen] and Colorado will outshine the nagato rather easily. Also, its easy for nagato to citadel a colo from long range, however try pitting a Colorado vs Nagato in a 8km distance with equally skilled players, see which one comes out alive. Almost all maps other Ocean and Atlantic has enough islands around to use as cover to get close. [However this entire scenario is hypothetical, since usually both are too busy trying to make sure they dont catch fire from the HE spamming of cruisers]. 

 

2. Myoko being superior to all other T7 cruisers, well yes that is true, however pensa isnt useless either, in games with CVs/lots of islands it does have its benefits, though still behind Myoko. The reason myokos are all over is simply that almost everyone has it, even the ones that sold their original myokos or other T7s and moved upto the later tiers.... - Blame the annoying ARP myoko giveaways for this..... 

 

3. Kiev is sad...... in TB, blyska has an upper hand, even Mahan to be fair.. kiev's horrible concealment literally means enemy always has the first shot..... and god forbid if there are more than 1 enemy dd close by, kiev wont be recovering from that. Also if opponents have Ranger/Saipan[bomber config] Kievs tend to suffer quite a bit. 

 

 

Oh and DRAKon33....

 

Tier 6s and 7s are probably the most balanced tiers in the entire game [except for ognevoi, its just painful]. They do not lack in game dynamics in any way than tier 8, where things are still being balanced and rebalanced massively, [eg, last Trump sponsored update where they made America great again, jk].

 

If it was tier 7 & 8...there would have been no Nagatos, nor Mogamis, a few Amagis.. Full of Carolina{FOR AA} & Orleans {RADAR}. Cause, when there is a lexi or shokaku around, lulz IJN BBs wont stand a chance. Also, do imagine a game with 3 Fubukis in 1 team.. 27 torps travelling 15 km.. -_-', even if 1 or 2 from each set of 9 manage to find metal... its doomsday for the enemy..... Area saturation & denial becomes way too easily accessible from tier 8. 

 

Again, tier 6s & 7s have no less dynamics than tier 8, and ranked mode is supposed to be more about individual skill, and mutual co-ordination among strangers, for completely organized gameplays, Team battles did go on for last couple of months. :) . Ranked mode not only promotes the development of a player's ingame skills but also of leadership principles communication in a multi-lingual arena.  [ Basically to see how acceptable someone's lead would be in a game, if all the other 6 be willing to follow it out..]

 

Umm, you only need to look at Season 3.

 

Its Bensons, Atagos, Amagi's, Tirpitz. That was the meta. 

 

Season 4, its Sim's, Blys, Nagatos, Myokos.

 

CVs are a waste of time in ranked.

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3. Kiev is sad...... in TB, blyska has an upper hand, even Mahan to be fair.. kiev's horrible concealment literally means enemy always has the first shot..... and god forbid if there are more than 1 enemy dd close by, kiev wont be recovering from that. Also if opponents have Ranger/Saipan[bomber config] Kievs tend to suffer quite a bit. 

 

 

Good luck hitting the Kiev at >9 kms..and with planes? That's really-really hard to pull off except for maybe the Saipan DB's. 

 

Kiev is STRONK with CE and Survival Expert Skills. Ofc as i say all this holds true if its a good player.

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All are trash? Except Nagato/Myoko/Kievs?.....

1. Get 1 T7 CV in each game[which does happen] and Colorado will outshine the nagato rather easily. Also, its easy for nagato to citadel a colo from long range, however try pitting a Colorado vs Nagato in a 8km distance with equally skilled players, see which one comes out alive. Almost all maps other Ocean and Atlantic has enough islands around to use as cover to get close. [However this entire scenario is hypothetical, since usually both are too busy trying to make sure they dont catch fire from the HE spamming of cruisers]. 

 

2. Myoko being superior to all other T7 cruisers, well yes that is true, however pensa isnt useless either, in games with CVs/lots of islands it does have its benefits, though still behind Myoko. The reason myokos are all over is simply that almost everyone has it, even the ones that sold their original myokos or other T7s and moved upto the later tiers.... - Blame the annoying ARP myoko giveaways for this..... 

 

3. Kiev is sad...... in TB, blyska has an upper hand, even Mahan to be fair.. kiev's horrible concealment literally means enemy always has the first shot..... and god forbid if there are more than 1 enemy dd close by, kiev wont be recovering from that. Also if opponents have Ranger/Saipan[bomber config] Kievs tend to suffer quite a bit. 

 

 

Oh and DRAKon33....

 

Tier 6s and 7s are probably the most balanced tiers in the entire game [except for ognevoi, its just painful]. They do not lack in game dynamics in any way than tier 8, where things are still being balanced and rebalanced massively, [eg, last Trump sponsored update where they made America great again, jk].

 

If it was tier 7 & 8...there would have been no Nagatos, nor Mogamis, a few Amagis.. Full of Carolina{FOR AA} & Orleans {RADAR}. Cause, when there is a lexi or shokaku around, lulz IJN BBs wont stand a chance. Also, do imagine a game with 3 Fubukis in 1 team.. 27 torps travelling 15 km.. -_-', even if 1 or 2 from each set of 9 manage to find metal... its doomsday for the enemy..... Area saturation & denial becomes way too easily accessible from tier 8. 

 

Again, tier 6s & 7s have no less dynamics than tier 8, and ranked mode is supposed to be more about individual skill, and mutual co-ordination among strangers, for completely organized gameplays, Team battles did go on for last couple of months. :) . Ranked mode not only promotes the development of a player's ingame skills but also of leadership principles communication in a multi-lingual arena.  [ Basically to see how acceptable someone's lead would be in a game, if all the other 6 be willing to follow it out..]

 

-CVs have faded so NC's AA is only for decoration

-NO has radar but armor is completely off the window, easily citadel'd even by other cruisers (and after the ARMADA for New Orleans I still suck at it)

-MM now was far better than then (spreads ships between each nations mroe evenly, o more triple Fubuki)

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I'm also wondering about this. Tier 8 has so many good ships which makes for more lenient ship choices. On the other hand, tier 7 has only one or two ships in each class which can be considered competitive. I really don't understand why WG decided to make RB in tier 7. :amazed:

 

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What you want to play World of Benson and Atago again?

It hasnt changed.

 

World of Benson... nah, have you ever been completely outrun and outranged by the Tashkent? The moment when you just say: OK Tahskent, your free kill.

World of Atago... it posesses quite a lot of drawbacks from Myoko e.g. needs to turn the almost complete broadside for all 10 guns to be used... CITADEL GALORE!

 

Good luck hitting the Kiev at >9 kms..and with planes? That's really-really hard to pull off except for maybe the Saipan DB's. 

 

Kiev is STRONK with CE and Survival Expert Skills. Ofc as i say all this holds true if its a good player.

 

CVs have faded. Kiev is too fast. When you turn your stern on other DDs won't even hit near you. Cruisers will keep swearing WTF dispersion (Russian ships are mostly long and narrow, that's why they run fast and turn slow)

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Lol, I dont even have a tier 8 :teethhappy: just gotten Colorado and Pensacola

 

Welcome to food from the trash bin! Colorado is super-slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww and bad dispersion (penetration as well imo even after hull upgrade) and Pensacola has $H!T armor and detection range

When you play Craporado: the team dies before you even catch up with them and shield them

When you play the Penance-cola: DDs will spot you and you see none of the enemies and BOOM! One hit and goodbye cruel world!

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All are trash? Except Nagato/Myoko/Kievs?.....

1. Get 1 T7 CV in each game[which does happen] and Colorado will outshine the nagato rather easily. Also, its easy for nagato to citadel a colo from long range, however try pitting a Colorado vs Nagato in a 8km distance with equally skilled players, see which one comes out alive. Almost all maps other Ocean and Atlantic has enough islands around to use as cover to get close. [However this entire scenario is hypothetical, since usually both are too busy trying to make sure they dont catch fire from the HE spamming of cruisers]. 

 

2. Myoko being superior to all other T7 cruisers, well yes that is true, however pensa isnt useless either, in games with CVs/lots of islands it does have its benefits, though still behind Myoko. The reason myokos are all over is simply that almost everyone has it, even the ones that sold their original myokos or other T7s and moved upto the later tiers.... - Blame the annoying ARP myoko giveaways for this..... 

 

3. Kiev is sad...... in TB, blyska has an upper hand, even Mahan to be fair.. kiev's horrible concealment literally means enemy always has the first shot..... and god forbid if there are more than 1 enemy dd close by, kiev wont be recovering from that. Also if opponents have Ranger/Saipan[bomber config] Kievs tend to suffer quite a bit. 

 

 

Oh and DRAKon33....

 

Tier 6s and 7s are probably the most balanced tiers in the entire game [except for ognevoi, its just painful]. They do not lack in game dynamics in any way than tier 8, where things are still being balanced and rebalanced massively, [eg, last Trump sponsored update where they made America great again, jk].

 

If it was tier 7 & 8...there would have been no Nagatos, nor Mogamis, a few Amagis.. Full of Carolina{FOR AA} & Orleans {RADAR}. Cause, when there is a lexi or shokaku around, lulz IJN BBs wont stand a chance. Also, do imagine a game with 3 Fubukis in 1 team.. 27 torps travelling 15 km.. -_-', even if 1 or 2 from each set of 9 manage to find metal... its doomsday for the enemy..... Area saturation & denial becomes way too easily accessible from tier 8. 

 

Again, tier 6s & 7s have no less dynamics than tier 8, and ranked mode is supposed to be more about individual skill, and mutual co-ordination among strangers, for completely organized gameplays, Team battles did go on for last couple of months. :) . Ranked mode not only promotes the development of a player's ingame skills but also of leadership principles communication in a multi-lingual arena.  [ Basically to see how acceptable someone's lead would be in a game, if all the other 6 be willing to follow it out..]

 

right,IJN BBs wont stand a chance you say? do you even know how OP the amagi is?, if theres a amagi kiteing you, you'd better hope that you are driving a yamato because a skilled player can pretty much bounce ANY kind of ap shells.

 

and the point about fubukis?, lol, bensons are much faster, have better guns, about.the same detection range, and stronk torps, a team with 3 fubukis will get steamrolled so hard by a team.with just 2.bensons it's not even funny, as for area denial, that's what you have DDs and CAs with sonar on your own team for, if your teammates arent doing their job, then dont blame.the ship for failing you

 

and CVs? obviously you have never.played the last few ranked season because in the last 2(seasons), you couldnt find a cv in rank if you hung a lex in the line for 2 hours, not to mention that since in rank it's all about aggressive pushes for caps in a group. after the buffs, even 2 amagis or tirpitzs moving in a group would become a no fly zone foe either lex or shokaku

 

the reason i said that this ranked season, is a joke is because of all the flaws in each ships, a player can almost never play to his full potencial, take for example a duel between nagato/nagato and a duel between amagi/amagi, for amagi/amagi, the captain who can take advantage of his opponent's openings and angles against incoming shells will win, but with nagato/nagato, no matter how hard you try to angle, you will still take a ridiculous ammount of damage, try angling perfectly only to take 3 citadels from the bow, that is total shit. it's all up to RNGesus to decide who will stand and who will fall

 

finally, yes, most t6 ships are rather balenced, apart from oggi and nukeburg that just sucks on a whole other level, but there are some ships like fuso and budy who can wreck a whole team by itself(i got 7 high calibers in a roll in rank with fuwo before i got up to r15, so i should know, and wica is so OP for rank that frankly, i feel almost guilty for using it to rekt derps

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World of Benson... nah, have you ever been completely outrun and outranged by the Tashkent? The moment when you just say: OK Tahskent, your free kill.

World of Atago... it posesses quite a lot of drawbacks from Myoko e.g. needs to turn the almost complete broadside for all 10 guns to be used... CITADEL GALORE!

 

CVs have faded. Kiev is too fast. When you turn your stern on other DDs won't even hit near you. Cruisers will keep swearing WTF dispersion (Russian ships are mostly long and narrow, that's why they run fast and turn slow)

 

Do you even play the game?

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All are trash? Except Nagato/Myoko/Kievs?.....

1. Get 1 T7 CV in each game[which does happen] and Colorado will outshine the nagato rather easily. Also, its easy for nagato to citadel a colo from long range, however try pitting a Colorado vs Nagato in a 8km distance with equally skilled players, see which one comes out alive. Almost all maps other Ocean and Atlantic has enough islands around to use as cover to get close. [However this entire scenario is hypothetical, since usually both are too busy trying to make sure they dont catch fire from the HE spamming of cruisers]. 

 

2. Myoko being superior to all other T7 cruisers, well yes that is true, however pensa isnt useless either, in games with CVs/lots of islands it does have its benefits, though still behind Myoko. The reason myokos are all over is simply that almost everyone has it, even the ones that sold their original myokos or other T7s and moved upto the later tiers.... - Blame the annoying ARP myoko giveaways for this..... 

 

3. Kiev is sad...... in TB, blyska has an upper hand, even Mahan to be fair.. kiev's horrible concealment literally means enemy always has the first shot..... and god forbid if there are more than 1 enemy dd close by, kiev wont be recovering from that. Also if opponents have Ranger/Saipan[bomber config] Kievs tend to suffer quite a bit. 

 

 

Oh and DRAKon33....

 

Tier 6s and 7s are probably the most balanced tiers in the entire game [except for ognevoi, its just painful]. They do not lack in game dynamics in any way than tier 8, where things are still being balanced and rebalanced massively, [eg, last Trump sponsored update where they made America great again, jk].

 

If it was tier 7 & 8...there would have been no Nagatos, nor Mogamis, a few Amagis.. Full of Carolina{FOR AA} & Orleans {RADAR}. Cause, when there is a lexi or shokaku around, lulz IJN BBs wont stand a chance. Also, do imagine a game with 3 Fubukis in 1 team.. 27 torps travelling 15 km.. -_-', even if 1 or 2 from each set of 9 manage to find metal... its doomsday for the enemy..... Area saturation & denial becomes way too easily accessible from tier 8. 

 

Again, tier 6s & 7s have no less dynamics than tier 8, and ranked mode is supposed to be more about individual skill, and mutual co-ordination among strangers, for completely organized gameplays, Team battles did go on for last couple of months. :) . Ranked mode not only promotes the development of a player's ingame skills but also of leadership principles communication in a multi-lingual arena.  [ Basically to see how acceptable someone's lead would be in a game, if all the other 6 be willing to follow it out..]

Lol! You're really saying that being able to communicate? A lot of players joining are stubborn like they dont speak english. A lot feel like pros and will say that their stats are good but looking at their average ship tier it is only the mid tier wherein most noobs loiter.

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