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Tirpitz AP damage too low

AP damage buff or accuracy+secondary buff or no changes  

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  1. 1. Which one do you choose?

    • AP damage from 11600 to 12000
      0
    • Better main battery accuracy
      10
    • Better secondaries
      2
    • Better AP+better accuracy
      0
    • Better AP+better secondaries
      1
    • Better accuracy+better secondaries
      2
    • Better AP+better accuracy+better secondaries
      2
    • No changes at all
      14

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So as everyone knows, Tirpitz has the crappiest AP damage at T8, even the T7 BB beats it on damage. I know that it has lower caliber and that means less damage, but how come all other German ships have better AP damage? Say the Hindernberg at T10 has 5900 damage max per AP while the Des Moines only have 5000. They are both 203mm so it would make sense if the Tirpitz AP has more damage despite its low caliber. I propose that the Tirpitz AP damage get buffed to 12000 instead of 11600, otherwise increase the main battery dispersion and secondary range to increase it's combat efficiency

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In my opinion this is just an balance mechanics of Tirpitz to compensate for 25s reload time, if you increase base damage the DPM will go sky rocket and then this ship will becoming real OP kind of Pay2Win.

 

I do agree that Tirpitz lacking some accurate little adjust is welcome but no need to since i already happy with it :P

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I dont have the ship myself. 

But i think its suppose  to be a close range in your face BB and not a long range sniper BB.

Also it has those things called torpedoes  that it can use at close range to kill other BBs with. If you are playing it as a stand off sniper etc then i think you be playing it wrong.

Deathskyz would be able to tell you if its a brawler BB than a sniper BB .

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I dont have the ship myself. 

But i think its suppose  to be a close range in your face BB and not a long range sniper BB.

Also it has those things called torpedoes  that it can use at close range to kill other BBs with. If you are playing it as a stand off sniper etc then i think you be playing it wrong.

Deathskyz would be able to tell you if its a brawler BB than a sniper BB .

 

Her guns aren't very accurate at long ranges. Her deck isn't well armored because the Germans love convertibles.

Her belt armor is strong, her turtleback makes her armor even stronger.

It has torpedoes with great arcs. It has wonderful secondaries.

It goes fast. Its quite maneuverable...

She has pretty good concealment for a BB.

 

Definitely a brawler. Play to her strengths. Not her weaknesses.

The Tirpitz is definitely one of the best BBs tier-for-tier.

The competitive show match showed that all the teams picked the Tirpitz over any other BB consistently.

Edited by TE_Deathskyz

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Her guns arent very accurate at long ranges. Her deck isnt well armored because the Germans love convertibles.

Her belt armor is strong, her turtleback makes her armor even stronger.

It has torpedoes with great arcs. It has wonderful secondaries.

It goes fast. Its quite maneuverable...

She has pretty good concealment for a BB.

 

Definitely a brawler.

 

Maybe thats why i prefer North Carolina :D:D:D

 

I prefer mid-range tanking/supporting style i dont like to brawl because it will deplete too much of my HP 

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I dont have the ship myself. 

But i think its suppose  to be a close range in your face BB and not a long range sniper BB.

Also it has those things called torpedoes  that it can use at close range to kill other BBs with. If you are playing it as a stand off sniper etc then i think you be playing it wrong.

Deathskyz would be able to tell you if its a brawler BB than a sniper BB .

I always try to close in the distance and use my armour to bounch the shells, but as soon as i try to close in i realise the whole team is like 10 km behind me so I automatically become the target for thr whole enemy team.I hate sitting back and snipe, its boring and now hot BB are supposed to be played in this game. Hate it when full HP BB like yamatostay at the back of the map doing nothing

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Oh yeah her torpedo armour are trash incase you guys havent noticed. Also  her torrents can be fragile at times, i once had a match where i lost two front guns. I would have got kraken that match if i had at least one front gun

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I always try to close in the distance and use my armour to bounch the shells, but as soon as i try to close in i realise the whole team is like 10 km behind me so I automatically become the target for thr whole enemy team.I hate sitting back and snipe, its boring and now hot BB are supposed to be played in this game. Hate it when full HP BB like yamatostay at the back of the map doing nothing

 

Thats why i love mid-range you not too far so ur guns still accurate + you will be likely stay along side Cruiser so you wont be the only one that receiving damage while you have option to retreat and advance if needed but either way you will got left behind due to the speed that the most dangerous situation in this tactic.

 

But if needed brawl is always option since most of the time you stay with fleet you will have tons of HP left so when you dual someone you usually coming out on top (except is the sniper Yamato with full HP lol)  

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I always try to close in the distance and use my armour to bounch the shells, but as soon as i try to close in i realise the whole team is like 10 km behind me so I automatically become the target for thr whole enemy team.I hate sitting back and snipe, its boring and now hot BB are supposed to be played in this game. Hate it when full HP BB like yamatostay at the back of the map doing nothing

 

your a fast battleship that can keep up with cruisers, imo this battleship should be sailing with cruisers so you can help engage enemy cruisers while they keep you safe from enemy dd, at 10-14ish km its guns are accurate enough.

 

i lost count how many times i got punish by this ship with its fast reloading gun. its the best cruiser killer at its tier.

 

this ship doesn't need any more buff, its actually one of best performing premium ship right now.

 

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your a fast battleship that can keep up with cruisers, imo this battleship should be sailing with cruisers so you can help engage enemy cruisers while they keep you safe from enemy dd, at 10-14ish km its guns are accurate enough.

 

i lost count how many times i got punish by this ship with its fast reloading gun. its the best cruiser killer at its tier.

 

this ship doesn't need any more buff, its actually one of best performing premium ship right now.

 

 

Yes indeed it is very deadly up close, but it is only good when you have a team that plays the objective and supports you. I had a great match in it a few days ago, I will upload the replay to the replays website and ppst the link here when i get a chance

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your a fast battleship that can keep up with cruisers, imo this battleship should be sailing with cruisers so you can help engage enemy cruisers while they keep you safe from enemy dd, at 10-14ish km its guns are accurate enough.

 

i lost count how many times i got punish by this ship with its fast reloading gun. its the best cruiser killer at its tier.

 

this ship doesn't need any more buff, its actually one of best performing premium ship right now.

 

 

Actually, one the best performer in tier 8s...

Ships on Asian server (2 Weeks)

 
Icon Name Tier Type Nation Battles WR% ▼ Dmg XP Ship ☠ Plane ☠ Srv%
           
  Chapayev 8 CA/CL  USSR 7,892 53.97% 38,630 1,359 0.7 2.1 43%
  Shokaku 8 CV  Japan 7,898 53.95% 51,724 1,225 1.0 19.5 81%
  Benson 8 DD  USA 19,195 53.71% 25,232 1,315 0.7 0.6 39%
  Tirpitz 8 BB  Germany 34,019 52.98% 55,672 1,395 0.7 2.3 53%
  Mikhail Kutuzov 8 CA/CL  USSR 16,179 52.49% 39,495 1,335 0.6 3.3 43%
  Lo Yang 8 DD  Pan-Asia 5,501 52.48% 20,476 1,291 0.6 0.7 34%
  Atago 8 CA/CL  Japan 49,716 52.37% 38,309 1,276 0.7 1.2 44%
  North Carolina 8 BB  USA 26,059 50.96% 51,830 1,176 0.7 3.6 54%
  Amagi 8 BB  Japan 29,956 50.61% 53,524 1,082 0.7 2.0 53%
  Tashkent 8 DD  USSR 4,886 50.49% 24,324 1,200 0.5 0.4 33%
  Fubuki 8 DD  Japan 45,648 50.07% 23,484 1,137 0.6 0.3 37%
  New Orleans 8 CA/CL  USA 15,350 49.93% 28,886 1,082 0.5 1.9 39%
  Mogami 8 CA/CL  Japan 31,412 49.83% 31,270 979 0.6 1.1 39%
  Admiral Hipper 8 CA/CL  Germany 13,936 49.74% 32,330 1,084 0.5 1.8 41%
  Lexington 8 CV  USA 4,289 44.95% 46,073 1,059 0.8 16.5 77%
Edited by TE_Deathskyz

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Actually, one the best performer in tier 8s...

Ships on Asian server (2 Weeks)

 
Icon Name Tier Type Nation Battles WR% ▼ Dmg XP Ship ☠ Plane ☠ Srv%
           
  Chapayev 8 CA/CL  USSR 7,892 53.97% 38,630 1,359 0.7 2.1 43%
  Shokaku 8 CV  Japan 7,898 53.95% 51,724 1,225 1.0 19.5 81%
  Benson 8 DD  USA 19,195 53.71% 25,232 1,315 0.7 0.6 39%
  Tirpitz 8 BB  Germany 34,019 52.98% 55,672 1,395 0.7 2.3 53%
  Mikhail Kutuzov 8 CA/CL  USSR 16,179 52.49% 39,495 1,335 0.6 3.3 43%
  Lo Yang 8 DD  Pan-Asia 5,501 52.48% 20,476 1,291 0.6 0.7 34%
  Atago 8 CA/CL  Japan 49,716 52.37% 38,309 1,276 0.7 1.2 44%
  North Carolina 8 BB  USA 26,059 50.96% 51,830 1,176 0.7 3.6 54%
  Amagi 8 BB  Japan 29,956 50.61% 53,524 1,082 0.7 2.0 53%
  Tashkent 8 DD  USSR 4,886 50.49% 24,324 1,200 0.5 0.4 33%
  Fubuki 8 DD  Japan 45,648 50.07% 23,484 1,137 0.6 0.3 37%
  New Orleans 8 CA/CL  USA 15,350 49.93% 28,886 1,082 0.5 1.9 39%
  Mogami 8 CA/CL  Japan 31,412 49.83% 31,270 979 0.6 1.1 39%
  Admiral Hipper 8 CA/CL  Germany 13,936 49.74% 32,330 1,084 0.5 1.8 41%
  Lexington 8 CV  USA 4,289 44.95% 46,073 1,059 0.8 16.5 77%

 

Im still surprise that Chapayev is on the top.. i mean is a good ship but it should not be on the top :D:D:D

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Im still surprise that Chapayev is on the top.. i mean is a good ship but it should not be on the top :D:D:D

 

Her long range and good gun handling makes her snipe far far away....

And because of that, nobody shoots them. So they farm damage.

 

If only people shoot them more...

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Her long range and good gun handling makes her snipe far far away....

And because of that, nobody shoots them. So they farm damage.

 

If only people shoot them more...

 

In that aspect Kutuzov should perform better since it have longer range (which show in higher avg. damage) but still dont understand why it have lower WR% should i assume that because wallet worrier ruin it WR% ?

 

But seem like wallet worrier is not the case for Tirpitz since is the highest WR% of all BBs this is so confusing... 

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I have an explanation on why Chapayev could have that much score when compared to other ships of her tier.

 

My experience when encountering Russian Cruisers, often end up as skirmishes. Their gun range, accuracy, arc, and fire-starting chance encourages this sort of gameplay. 

Compound that with the nature of players in the Asian Server, you just got yourself the perfect ship for Asian way of playing.

 

Most of the time, I just end up being pelted by HE shells from afar from those Russians when I'm driving my Hipper.

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In that aspect Kutuzov should perform better since it have longer range (which show in higher avg. damage) but still dont understand why it have lower WR% should i assume that because wallet worrier ruin it WR% ?

 

But seem like wallet worrier is not the case for Tirpitz since is the highest WR% of all BBs this is so confusing... 

 

She is mostly owned by "HE Spamming Scrub" along with Atlanta

While Indy and Atago is the other way around

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Oh yeah her torpedo armour are trash incase you guys havent noticed. Also  her torrents can be fragile at times, i once had a match where i lost two front guns. I would have got kraken that match if i had at least one front gun

 

haha

Tirpitz have best torpedo armor for Battleship, since the best way for combating torpedoes were manuvertibility. on whch tirpitz is one of most agile ship in game.

 

if WG somehow improve Tirpitz, The things I want were Tighter Shoot Groupping, and Longer ranged Secondaries (too 5km or more)

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Im still surprise that Chapayev is on the top.. i mean is a good ship but it should not be on the top :D:D:D

 

If you look at the amount of games that players have played it's lower than all bar a few of the ships here. So id say only those who like her play her.

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If I recall my gameplay on BB Tirpitz, the main guns' RoF & AP's shell velocity should compensate the lack of damage (except the salvo spread from long range, which is still an issue).

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All those buff suggestions yet there's no option to get another Quadruple torpedo launcher for each broadside :trollface:

 

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nah, just gimme a LITTLE better dispersion on derpitz and i'll be happy, like the kind it had in 5.3

 

Did it changed ?

seem to me the same lol

 

I dont use GCS1, so for me the Shoot Grouping still the same in both patch

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Actually, one the best performer in tier 8s...

Ships on Asian server (2 Weeks)

 
Icon Name Tier Type Nation Battles WR% ▼ Dmg XP Ship ☠ Plane ☠ Srv%
           
  Chapayev 8 CA/CL  USSR 7,892 53.97% 38,630 1,359 0.7 2.1 43%
  Shokaku 8 CV  Japan 7,898 53.95% 51,724 1,225 1.0 19.5 81%
  Benson 8 DD  USA 19,195 53.71% 25,232 1,315 0.7 0.6 39%
  Tirpitz 8 BB  Germany 34,019 52.98% 55,672 1,395 0.7 2.3 53%
  Mikhail Kutuzov 8 CA/CL  USSR 16,179 52.49% 39,495 1,335 0.6 3.3 43%
  Lo Yang 8 DD  Pan-Asia 5,501 52.48% 20,476 1,291 0.6 0.7 34%
  Atago 8 CA/CL  Japan 49,716 52.37% 38,309 1,276 0.7 1.2 44%
  North Carolina 8 BB  USA 26,059 50.96% 51,830 1,176 0.7 3.6 54%
  Amagi 8 BB  Japan 29,956 50.61% 53,524 1,082 0.7 2.0 53%
  Tashkent 8 DD  USSR 4,886 50.49% 24,324 1,200 0.5 0.4 33%
  Fubuki 8 DD  Japan 45,648 50.07% 23,484 1,137 0.6 0.3 37%
  New Orleans 8 CA/CL  USA 15,350 49.93% 28,886 1,082 0.5 1.9 39%
  Mogami 8 CA/CL  Japan 31,412 49.83% 31,270 979 0.6 1.1 39%
  Admiral Hipper 8 CA/CL  Germany 13,936 49.74% 32,330 1,084 0.5 1.8 41%
  Lexington 8 CV  USA 4,289 44.95% 46,073 1,059 0.8 16.5 77%

One of the best performers, because the rest of the team benefits while dudpitz gets pounded. And because she takes a pounding for some time before she dies, you will find multiple ships and planes from enemy team will focus fire, ignoring the other players on the same team as doomed dudpitz. So if the players are of reasonable smarts, they can take the opportunity to swing the battle, while dudpitz literally is taking one for the team.

 

But, I've been trying to get dialog going regarding dudpitz's AP performance for several patches, and I've been on the receiving end of mockery, bullying, and general band wagoning, form a crowd, fetch my pitchfork darling, light the pyre, kinda stuff. All I can add yet again is, no her AP is not devastating at close range,  tier 7 cruisers can beat it in close with HE...it's totally dependent on the rng, while the cruiser can fire faster, reducing the dependency on rng by percentage, which is likely still using HE, and by now your precious has 3-4 fires burning. Uh-oh here come some torps. gg.

 

If an enemy ship is within secondary range of a dudpitz, you can be sure there are at least 2 other ships attacking dudpitz at the same time. As stated, she soaks up the damage, but draws all the focus fire.

 

OP has actually even set a poll. 

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