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does all the player hate usn cv 013?

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just now i was playing lexington in a random match, queue into tier 8~10 match while i using 013 set up.

its my first time to meet such player who mad me all the game, scold me and reveal my location to the enemy. (should i report him for being spy?:trollface:)

and told me that he play better than me with 302, like i care? 

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ok, back to point , why some of the high tier player hate usn 013 cv set up?

mind explain? i don't wanna scold as a noob in the game anymore while playing usn cv

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You get no fighters to protect your team mates with. Your strike craft most likely won't be used to scout DDs as as you have to strike more to keep up the damage before the enemy CV shoots down all your planes. 

 

The above is my personal reasons for disliking strike US CVs. The player who kept revealing your location to the enemy is scum and you should provide a replay to WG for further action.

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but mate, it really depend on luck. u still win the match even without fighter support. the high tier ship don't have problem with aa. tier 8 - 10 ships aa are monster!

depend on my dd experience, spam smoke, open u aa and stop there for a while. is that really hard?

and high tier game are focus on teamwork. they stick like glue! doesn't go like a solo warrior. doesnt really need fighter to help under such situation...

correct me if i am wrong. :trollface:

between, i cant believe a experience tier 10 player still act like child, doing stupid thing.... after all... human being:trollface:

antipathy...

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I have no idea why WG had USNCV kept their 100% all strike no fighter loadout, while they removed that option from IJN CV. Remember that time when Hiryuu have 0/3/3? Good times, if not broken with CV Snipe meta.

Now the only ones u see CV Sniping are USN ones, because their other loadout are so bad it's not worth it, and it's why I don't like playing them. That doesn't mean WG gonna change anything though, they said they are satisfied with current CV state.

 

Hopefully something will change when 3rd CV line comes out, no idea when.

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I encounter those who hate having 0/1/3 allies in my Ranger when I run strike. They all keep saying things about Fighter cover. (I can't cover without fighters so I'm not even gonna argue there). I'd agree with them if it weren't for almost every CV game where there's an AS CV captain which uses the fighters to chase enemy planes all over the place with disregard for defending the fleet from the planes that do matter.

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What I as a DD player really hate about the 0/1/3 setup is if they get spotted by the enemy CV they can keep me spotted for 5-10 min all the while getting hammered by any ship around. It is really frustrating that there are no fighters that can help you. That's my personal grief about it anyway.

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just now i was playing lexington in a random match, queue into tier 8~10 match while i using 013 set up.

its my first time to meet such player who mad me all the game, scold me and reveal my location to the enemy. (should i report him for being spy?:trollface:)

and told me that he play better than me with 302, like i care? 

shot-16.05.29_03.44.13-0989.jpg

ok, back to point , why some of the high tier player hate usn 013 cv set up?

mind explain? i don't wanna scold as a noob in the game anymore while playing usn cv

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/66357-concerning-cv-trucesno-kill-agreements/

 

It is against the rules to reveal the location of friendly ships.Since that player was being so insulting,I'd say report him!

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Well i'd say (This is absolutely my and only my opinion) strike is what a cv should concentrate on more. Anyone can take an AS build and run around and bully your planes.

 

Eliminating or thinning the enemy ships HP is the primary role. CV's are the counter for DD's don't forget that.

 

And for people who whine about cv's running strike TAKE COVER! if you go alone or isolate yourself that's totally your fault.  

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just now i was playing lexington in a random match, queue into tier 8~10 match while i using 013 set up.

its my first time to meet such player who mad me all the game, scold me and reveal my location to the enemy. (should i report him for being spy?:trollface:)

and told me that he play better than me with 302, like i care? 

 

ok, back to point , why some of the high tier player hate usn 013 cv set up?

mind explain? i don't wanna scold as a noob in the game anymore while playing usn cv

 

Selfish players expecting the CV tobe their own personal escorts.

Play it however you want to play it and don't let others blame you for their own inability to play the game.

PS. Report the Toxic POS (submit ticket)

 

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http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/66357-concerning-cv-trucesno-kill-agreements/

 

It is against the rules to reveal the location of friendly ships.Since that player was being so insulting,I'd say report him!

 

thanks for the guide. but i didn't active the replay system, but will notice it if next time meet this kind player again. 

thanks anyway , mate.

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This is because of that stupid crap CV AA consumable. A strike load CV's way of protecting his team is by killing enemy CV ASAP and negating all future bombing attacks on his team, thus his main mission objective. Instead, this consumable deters pretty much any attempt at CV sniping and result is we got 013 hated in all games including me for they are useless strategically in comparison to a balanced 2-2-2 shokaku for example.

 

This stupid crap CV truce is only in NA where players sail in straight line thus making CVs there quite OP in their eyes, never met any SEA player talk about that crap truce so this noob patch is the result and affected all servers.

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I will give you the reasons why I hate strike CVs on my team.

 

As a DD

The planes I have spotted coming for the fleet you cant do anything about them.

As a CA

Those bombers up there they're a threat to our BBs. They cant do their job properly and that means we cant do our job properly. Also you will want saving from a sneaky DD well we cant leave our BBs unprotected now can we?

As a BB

Because you cant thin out those planes we cant back up the CAs because we are too busy swatting down flies. when they're done with us they'll come for you. or maybe they already are you we cant see them yet but you cant do anything about them all the way back there.  Youll want us to save your arse from being pounded

As a CV

because you neglected to bring fighters I have to protect the fleet, myplanes, myself and then  spot and screen and then you want protection from planes. not only are you handing them air superiority on a silver platter you're also serving up yourself as I cant stop them if they decide to try to knock one of us out.  Also unescorted planes make tasty snacks for everything.

 

I love strike CVs on the enemy team

As a DD

I will just follow those planes home and eventually they will have to go home right. even with your planes there is an even chance i will spot you before you spot me and you know what happens then. everything forgets what it is shooting at then targets you. also your DBs miss more often than not and TB are hardly ever hit.

As a CA

Once youve been spotted you make a lovely BBQ and your planes make a tasty entree.

As a BB

Can you say citadel? well that whats going to disappear  and you along with it

As a CV

 Well well well what do we have here? someone who forgot to bring  fighters. we will find you and sink you and there is nothing you can do about it you can run for a while you can hide for a while but we are going to find you and sink you and there is nothing you can do about it. Also your planes make tasty snacks.

 

My  experiences have also been tainted by  strike loadout CVs calling me noob cause I couldn't stop a strike an myself as all of my fighters were busy of course none of their planes even made a strike..  I have found them to be selfish and most of the time they throw their planes away and achieve nothing except lots of xp for the enemies. its a rare game where they win if the other side has a CV with fighters.

 

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I will give you the reasons why I hate strike CVs on my team.

 

As a DD

The planes I have spotted coming for the fleet you cant do anything about them.

As a CA

Those bombers up there they're a threat to our BBs. They cant do their job properly and that means we cant do our job properly. Also you will want saving from a sneaky DD well we cant leave our BBs unprotected now can we?

As a BB

Because you cant thin out those planes we cant back up the CAs because we are too busy swatting down flies. when they're done with us they'll come for you. or maybe they already are you we cant see them yet but you cant do anything about them all the way back there.  Youll want us to save your arse from being pounded

As a CV

because you neglected to bring fighters I have to protect the fleet, myplanes, myself and then  spot and screen and then you want protection from planes. not only are you handing them air superiority on a silver platter you're also serving up yourself as I cant stop them if they decide to try to knock one of us out.  Also unescorted planes make tasty snacks for everything.

 

I love strike CVs on the enemy team

As a DD

I will just follow those planes home and eventually they will have to go home right. even with your planes there is an even chance i will spot you before you spot me and you know what happens then. everything forgets what it is shooting at then targets you. also your DBs miss more often than not and TB are hardly ever hit.

As a CA

Once youve been spotted you make a lovely BBQ and your planes make a tasty entree.

As a BB

Can you say citadel? well that whats going to disappear  and you along with it

As a CV

 Well well well what do we have here? someone who forgot to bring  fighters. we will find you and sink you and there is nothing you can do about it you can run for a while you can hide for a while but we are going to find you and sink you and there is nothing you can do about it. Also your planes make tasty snacks.

 

My  experiences have also been tainted by  strike loadout CVs calling me noob cause I couldn't stop a strike an myself as all of my fighters were busy of course none of their planes even made a strike..  I have found them to be selfish and most of the time they throw their planes away and achieve nothing except lots of xp for the enemies. its a rare game where they win if the other side has a CV with fighters.

 

 

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don't know how to respond to that :amazed:

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I will give you the reasons why I hate strike CVs on my team.

 

As a DD

The planes I have spotted coming for the fleet you cant do anything about them.

As a CA

Those bombers up there they're a threat to our BBs. They cant do their job properly and that means we cant do our job properly. Also you will want saving from a sneaky DD well we cant leave our BBs unprotected now can we?

As a BB

Because you cant thin out those planes we cant back up the CAs because we are too busy swatting down flies. when they're done with us they'll come for you. or maybe they already are you we cant see them yet but you cant do anything about them all the way back there.  Youll want us to save your arse from being pounded

As a CV

because you neglected to bring fighters I have to protect the fleet, myplanes, myself and then  spot and screen and then you want protection from planes. not only are you handing them air superiority on a silver platter you're also serving up yourself as I cant stop them if they decide to try to knock one of us out.  Also unescorted planes make tasty snacks for everything.

 

I love strike CVs on the enemy team

As a DD

I will just follow those planes home and eventually they will have to go home right. even with your planes there is an even chance i will spot you before you spot me and you know what happens then. everything forgets what it is shooting at then targets you. also your DBs miss more often than not and TB are hardly ever hit.

As a CA

Once youve been spotted you make a lovely BBQ and your planes make a tasty entree.

As a BB

Can you say citadel? well that whats going to disappear  and you along with it

As a CV

 Well well well what do we have here? someone who forgot to bring  fighters. we will find you and sink you and there is nothing you can do about it you can run for a while you can hide for a while but we are going to find you and sink you and there is nothing you can do about it. Also your planes make tasty snacks.

 

My  experiences have also been tainted by  strike loadout CVs calling me noob cause I couldn't stop a strike an myself as all of my fighters were busy of course none of their planes even made a strike..  I have found them to be selfish and most of the time they throw their planes away and achieve nothing except lots of xp for the enemies. its a rare game where they win if the other side has a CV with fighters.

 

 

I get where you're coming and the per class perspective is mostly right from except the winning part. If a strike CV player isn't winning games by doing damage, it only means he isn't doing enough damage :playing:.

Just as Air Superiority loadout CVs have their players which have the fighters but don't even bother to protect the fleet, Strike loadout CVs will also have their players which just throw their own planes to the enemy with nothing to show.

Bringing a different loadout in a CV is like bringing a different ship into battle anyway.

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as a main DD player, I hate CV regardless their set up. :D

 

as a main BB player, i hate CV especially those with lots of TB

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I don't mind them too much.

 

By default, I consider every CV player I haven't met before to prioritize their interests over their team- Including my own. This means that unless our CV's competent enough to marginally suppress the enemy's loadout, they fit under the "Generic unreliable CV" category. Air superiority means nothing if you don't have a CV taking full advantage of it- This means that even without fighters, that CV is still guaranteed to do damage if they have at least a gram of thought. I mean, what's the point of 3 fighter squadrons in an AA loadout if all of them are in one, tight group? 

 

Either way, I don't particularly mind. Rely too much on a CV, and it's your loss. CVs aren't some sort of off-map artillery emplacement you can call when you need help, as how some players treat them. Be grateful they help at all, but never, ever expect it to always come- It'll preserve your sanity. Understand that most CVs rarely see friendly ships as priority targets to protect, they prioritize personal achievements. Even then, they cannot protect you full time. Pull your weight, and then some more.

 

Play as if you have no aerial cover is my motto, even if there are 2 CVs per team.

 

They're a single ship. Treat them like one, not some omniscient, obedient and timely miracle worker. A CV can certainly take the top spot in a team, but so can battleships, cruisers and destroyers.

 

The pessimistic approach is always more appropriate in random battles. Much in the same way you can't expect an IJN cruiser to give reliable AA without DfAA against CVs at their tier.

 

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tl;dr - As long as the player contributes in some way that matters in the long run, go for it. I don't mind whichever loadout they pick.

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Anyone who uses all attack USN CV with WR below 50% is a scum, and should think about getting other type of ship.

No spot.

Failing to deal damage whatsoever

No aircover

Easy to be sniped

 

Actually, it's really selfish to bring a piece of crap to a CV fight to begin with.

 

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Anyone who uses all attack USN CV with WR below 50% is a scum, and should think about getting other type of ship.

No spot.

Failing to deal damage whatsoever

No aircover

Easy to be sniped

 

Actually, it's really selfish to bring a piece of crap in a CV fight to begin with.

 

 

I'm kind of triggered by this.

Both loadouts have their own share of 'unwanted' players, but if going Strike Loadout is the best thing one can operate to help in a win, selfish or not, that's what is supposed to be brought.

What better way to counter by presenting anecdotal evidence :trollface:

 

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See. Both enemy CV went 2/2/2 loadout resulting in 4 Fighters in the air. Our Allied Lex went 0/1/3 and died due to incessant enemy efforts to sink him resulting in a lot of plane kills. Enemy CV alive and well for the whole of the match(4 fighter squadrons) and me and my 0/1/3 Ranger still managed to get that much damage out. I dunno about you, but if my ally CV can't protect me like how those 2 didn't protect their fleet from me in the Ranger in that match, I'd rather have an ally strike CV that can pump out damage. Common misconception too, Bombers CAN and WILL be used as scouts as long as the CV wills it. I'd even show you a replay if you'd want.

 

Now can we please stop calling Strike Loadouts on USN CVs useless. I'll admit being called selfish and other words in that category but definitely not useless.

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The guy's point is if the player isn't competent enough to use them as you've said.

 

The evidence you presented is valid only if the point is the effectiveness of the CV's loadout, not the player's competence.

 

But I digress, the primary topic is the effectiveness of 0/1/3 loadouts, after all. 

 

Then again, effective or not, I'll abide by my previous entry and be self-sufficient.

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The guy's point is if the player isn't competent enough to use them as you've said.

 

The evidence you presented is valid only if the point is the effectiveness of the CV's loadout, not the player's competence.

 

But I digress, the primary topic is the effectiveness of 0/1/3 loadouts, after all. 

 

Then again, effective or not, I'll abide by my previous entry and be self-sufficient.

 

It was more on his last sentence. The first five lines were understandable.

 

I digress though. I've already typed my part.

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I'm kind of triggered by this.

Both loadouts have their own share of 'unwanted' players, but if going Strike Loadout is the best thing one can operate to help in a win, selfish or not, that's what is supposed to be brought.

What better way to counter by presenting anecdotal evidence :trollface:

 

CscjHPR.jpg

OJHsXu4.jpg

See. Both enemy CV went 2/2/2 loadout resulting in 4 Fighters in the air. Our Allied Lex went 0/1/3 and died due to incessant enemy efforts to sink him resulting in a lot of plane kills. Enemy CV alive and well for the whole of the match(4 fighter squadrons) and me and my 0/1/3 Ranger still managed to get that much damage out. I dunno about you, but if my ally CV can't protect me like how those 2 didn't protect their fleet from me in the Ranger in that match, I'd rather have an ally strike CV that can pump out damage. Common misconception too, Bombers CAN and WILL be used as scouts as long as the CV wills it. I'd even show you a replay if you'd want.

 

Now can we please stop calling Strike Loadouts on USN CVs useless. I'll admit being called selfish and other words in that category but definitely not useless.

Why be triggered? I specifically said "WR below 50%".

You are good enough to wield strike CVs. You have excellent stats.

I'm not even complaining about the load out itself. (But I do complain about USN CVs being inferior, proven with server-wide ship stats)

I am complaining about the vast majority of people who cannot use it.

It takes some skill and critical thinking to successfully trick and evade enemy fighters. 

At the same time, they must also avoid running into cruisers. 1 sortie could end in failure because of 1 cruiser with AAA.

Many strike CV players are incapable of that.

 

But your evidence is not convincing enough because CV 2vs2 match is quite rare now days.

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-snip-

Really sorry, just got too worked up on that last sentence. :hiding:

It's just that a lot of misconceptions on how strike CVs not being as helpful as AS/Balanced loadout CVs gets to me since they can do the same stuff other than swat enemy planes out of the sky(scouting/damage/distractions). An 'incapable' AS CV captain doesn't get told off as much as an 'incapable' Strike CV captain, something along those lines.

As for 2v2 CV matches, it isn't rare if you only count the games where you play CVs(~20-30%) and only seems so when playing other ship classes.

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