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Because badposting is fun, I'll try getting my bearings 'proper' for this and see what happens because in actuality, I need to badpost like this once in a while.

 

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When asking how the battleship evolved, one could say that the battlecruiser was present there. They weren't the fat, pudgy and well protected dreadnoughts that were treated as the 'standard' battleships, back then they were "hybrids" of sorts on what was to be the hodgepodge of what a fast battleship packed direct from the first and true "large cruisers" navies attempted to make: it sails like a cruiser, hit hard like a battleship, was protected than a cruiser and served as capital ships for cruiser squadrons. The term "battlecruiser" is still in use with science fiction starships to denote a vessel that is fast for a capital ship and had the guns of one despite having a bit thinner armor and while this battlecruiser isn't nowhere near a starship, she would be the last one made as one. This, however, is for their anti-surface capabilities as the role of a blockader or an expeditioner was all within the bounds on what the battlecruiser should be.

 

I PRESENT TO YOU THE HMS HOOD (51).

 

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During 1924. She never got rid of that foremast even after refitting.

 

If there is to say about nations building the concept of the battlecruiser, it would be the British and the Germans has each had different plans on how they would build their iterations on the intermediate capital ship. In the surface ship combat parameters, you could have the 'trinity' of sorts: speed, offense and armor. While the dreadnought type battleships favored armor and offense, the battlecruisers varied differently as you could never put all three until later design studies and new technologies were implemented, and as such, had you put two. The British preferred their battlecruisers to have the punch equivalent to their ships of the line while having unparalleled speed at the cost of their thin armor as they were never meant to stay in the battle line and soak damage, but were to run away from it and stay as second line gunfire support to add more firepower whereas the Germans treated their ships with the thought of pressing their battlecruisers as main line combatants only when matters are truly dire that they need to be there and so favored armor and guns but not in the level of their counterparts that had the biggest caliber mounted on this ship type (had the Lexington class and the Amagi class battlecruisers be completed as is without conversion, then they would pack the biggest calibers). Now this design thought was challenged during the Battle of Jutland where several battlecruisers of the British Fleet were destroyed by detonation after encountering their German counterparts which were proving to be more durable despite not packing superlative firepower and so affected the design their later end battlecruisers, the Renowns and the Admirals, in design study.

 

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Line drawing of SMS Derfflinger which took several 15 inch rounds and still managed to limp back to port despite not being rated to endure such punishment. This battlecruiser class were called "The Iron Dogs" due to their sheer durability for their type.

 

As the Renowns and the Courageous "Large Light Cruisers" came inbound, it was learned that the Germans were already starting to keel for their Mackensen class battlecruisers which were, to the observer, improved design iterations of the already formidable Derfflinger class and so began to plan for a ship that could trump that and plan they did for the Admirals were planned, Hood being the first of the class. The others were named Anson, Howe and Rodney, albeit the last name was used as a sister ship to the unique looking Nelson battleship but sadly the younger three did not make it out the slipway unlike their eldest because making one was really expensive combined with the notion she had design defects and the materials used could be better off into smaller merchant ships as the u-boats were still prowling the ocean in unrestricted submarine warfare. To add the notion, the battlecruiser had a modest torpedo bulge so it was not to have affected her speed much. And so she stood alone, the last and largest battlecruiser to come out of the slipway but ironically the first battlecruiser to sink violently during combat in the early naval battles when World War 2 broke out.

 

9rr315.jpgMod 1941 Atlantic Grey.

 

As per the concept of the British battlecruiser, Hood was a fairly souped up design compared to the Renowns and as was an answer to the threat of the Mackensens, she had 12 inches of belt that thins out to 5 inch in the upper section with torpedo bulkheads and a blister, 3 inches of deck, 11 inches of conning tower, 12 inches of barbette and 15 inches of turret with an offensive set that comprised of four dual mount turrets in the AB-XY configuration packing the same BL 15 inch guns used on their newer battleships, most notably the Queen Elizabeths which, interestingly enough, proved that a dreadnought could reach the same level of protection from their contemporaries and still present a better offense, and could load while the gun was angled not to an extreme angle, a dozen 5.5 inch guns for her modest secondaries, some 4 inch guns in high angle mounts and a pair of triple tube launchers as she was built and most of it was retrofitted with the inclusion of octa-mount Pom Poms, Vickers HMG's, replacement of the 4 inch guns to later spec and dual mounts along with the multiple barreled "unrotated projectile" mounts firing large rockets from smoothbore barrels for close-in AA work had it been deemed necessary enough. As a ship of this class, it was expected for Hood to reach 30 knots which was a common characteristic of their ships and Hood could crunch about 31 knots in particular, but as the ship aged, problems arose and she could not fully reach flank speed.

 

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HMS Renown retrofit. Note distinct 'castle' type forecastle used on retrofittings on most of their battleships. Those that didn't get the upgrade still mounted the rather noticeable tall masts pre fitting.

 

Regarding Hood's bit, it was actually debated on how she was and how she badly needed retrofitting due to her really glaring problems, structure wise. Sure Hood was still a battlecruiser but when World War I ended, she would have needed the extra love because she was active in sailing so much, but due to the public's iteration of her being tough-as-nails and of the Naval Board's own heads literally stuck inside their assholes due to ineptness or whatnot, Hood did not really gain that much of intensive upgrades and she went down as a WW1 battlecruiser facing a newer battleship that combined the element of a battlecruiser and a dreadnought as a post-dread. Had she survived that encounter, there would have likely been a mass undertaking on refitting her so hard that everything internal and superstructure would be altered for better protection. EVERYTHING. If any refit, it would have been two observations: a Renown style retrofit such as the one above, or a King George V type where the likelihood of her armor matching that of Scharnhorst's and every section of thin armor would be substantially reinforced, including the deck which was intended to snap the cap and have the explosive detonate on the second layer of deck which proved fruitless in the face of newer fuzes and shells. She would receive improved machinery as well and it would not be farfetched to assume that if anything, she would be quite protected and fast, likely having a 32-33 knot range although in doing so, she would not be a "battlecruiser" by form anymore, but rather a "reformatted battleship" as was done to her colleague Renown and their Japanese counterparts the four Kongos as the Amagis were virtually no more because the sole survivor of the class was reformatted to aircraft carrier. But there is the high cost of this... yet the price should be worth the retrofitting as she would have been still the "pride" of the British Fleet.

 

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Unknown date, likely 1930's.

 

When Hood came out of the slipway, she was actually one of the impressive looking battlecruisers (in all honesty, I find the Renowns more appealing) and due to her size that dwarfed her dreadnought capital ship colleagues, she was called "The Mighty Hood" which started her moniker... yet... gave her some bits of problems as she was expected to be a literal powerful surface ship due to her armament and size without giving a thought that she was never a fully fledged battleship nor was she the transition of one despite packing the firepower of one. Her tenure was a peaceful one, traveling all around the world with her battlecruiser colleagues and was likely present when the King and Queen were aboard Repulse as one of the dutiful naval guard (interestingly enough, the Royalty had only been aboard Repulse. Its actually amusing to know that Hood did not play host to Crown) and sailing to and fro apart from that mutiny where her crew refused to do squat because of pay cuts to the point the Royal Marines aboard actually joined the crew in revelry and the small incident where Renown accidentally collided with her which resulted in captains being court martialed. As she was still being mulled about being pulled out from active service as she had been sailing near-constantly over the last period of years and she badly needed an overhaul to correct her aging and problems...

 

... World War 2 broke out and this proved impossible until the newer capital ships came out for her to be refitted.

 

Hood was part of Force H when they were pummeling the hell out of the French Fleet at Mels el Kebir when France surrendered and the fleet did not want to be interned and soon open fired, Hood beading Dunkerque so hard she beached to save herself and her sister ran with the battlecruiser failing to catch her. She was deployed as an interceptor for the commerce raiders stalking around but failed to find them and this threat, combined  by the fact that the Bismarcks could be seen at any given time, could not really send her back to dock for the retrofitting she badly needed and she would still serve until her last run as consort to the new King George V class Prince of Wales against Bismarck and her heavy cruiser consort Prinz Eugen. While the British ships fire first, the Germans responded in kind and beaded Hood where they kept shooting her as fires started to develop across the ship and suddenly she exploded aft and broke her in two pieces from that location and rapidly sank, with Prince of Wales, which was still firing and suffering malfunctions, scored crucial hits on Bismarck which gave the German battleship problems which slightly eased up for the British ships going on a vengeance mission to destroy her. I believe up to this day, the argument on how and why the explosion happened still goes with the naval engineers, buffs and the interested  as someone explored the wreck and found Hood shattered which was evident of a magazine detonation.

 

In-game wise, I believe the Admirals will be at tier 7 in the 'fast' battleship line with battlecruiser projects such as the ugly G3 or the enigmatic K3 be resorting to high tiers as there were no battlecruisers that could be reformatted to battleships tech wise that could be sufficient at high tiers. Apart from guessing that the class name won't be used as was in the case of the Leipzig class Nurnberg representing them and the Soryu class Hiryu to represent them, "Hood" will likely be the name. Assuming there would be no problems, the Hood would likely be the fastest capital ship at tier 7 with fairly good range of about 22km or so and the armor questionable as she can probably be easily citadeled. If anything, Hull C should be the last theoretical upgrade Hood has which I suggest a King George V fit to protect her decently else we'd see a tier 7 Kongo handling.

 

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very nice post, personally i'd think that hood would be stuck up to T8 and leave T7 for nelson (t7 reserved for the big 7s:trollface:) and she would handle like the amagi, she could make up for the 380 caliber guns by having a good turing radius and more accurate guns, a B or C hull could have her at BB level protection like the amagi.

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Scrubs didnt mount their anti-detonation flags.

 

Gee... all this battlecruiser and they need a counter... I KNOW! Lets thin out armor in some of the most vital parts of the ship and lets not give it mods! This is the best plan ever!

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Gee... all this battlecruiser and they need a counter... I KNOW! Lets thin out armor in some of the most vital parts of the ship and lets not give it mods! This is the best plan ever!

 

The admiralty forgot to level up Hood so she has no exp to research the other modules, so she was sent out stocked and without flags. :P

(At least Churchill got 10 anti-detonation flags after that) :teethhappy:

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Still agree the Renowns were better looking ships, and almost like an evolution of the Paper Myogi class, given the Japanese learnt how to BB and BC from the Brits.

 

I think the Admiral class are simply an awkward and possibly flawed post WW1 design that despite the refitting/reformatting would not have been as up to scratch as their newer off the shelf BB's like the Nelsons and King George V's. As shown with the Japanese attempts at reformatting their Kongo's as Battleships, despite upgrades they were no match for modern surface combatants, such as their encounter with the North Carolina and South Dakota class BB's (including DD's at Guadalcanal). And their saving grace of speed was not enough to deal with the plague of carrier based aircraft that saw the demise of large surface combatants in general, as the HMS Repulse saw.

 

To make battleships even remotely competitive, they had to be fast, well protected and heavily armed, but as combat record of most WW2 BB's shows, main gun armament is negligible when it came down to dealing with aircraft, so AA like that of American Battleships was the real deal breaker in the end.

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Still agree the Renowns were better looking ships, and almost like an evolution of the Paper Myogi class, given the Japanese learnt how to BB and BC from the Brits.

 

I think the Admiral class are simply an awkward and possibly flawed post WW1 design that despite the refitting/reformatting would not have been as up to scratch as their newer off the shelf BB's like the Nelsons and King George V's. As shown with the Japanese attempts at reformatting their Kongo's as Battleships, despite upgrades they were no match for modern surface combatants, such as their encounter with the North Carolina and South Dakota class BB's (including DD's at Guadalcanal). And their saving grace of speed was not enough to deal with the plague of carrier based aircraft that saw the demise of large surface combatants in general, as the HMS Repulse saw.

 

To make battleships even remotely competitive, they had to be fast, well protected and heavily armed, but as combat record of most WW2 BB's shows, main gun armament is negligible when it came down to dealing with aircraft, so AA like that of American Battleships was the real deal breaker in the end.

 

Well to be fair, the Nelsons were problematic as well way I remember because of hull issues. The Admirals were an impromptu and as was she not a "battleship" per se, she would not likely be scrapped to add to her notoriety of being a big ass battlecruiser. The Kongos during their 30's reformatting had substantial belt reaching to 12 inches which should have been reasonable for fast battleships as putting more armor would add more displacement and slow down the ship because during the reformatting the battlecruisers received a stronger blister to boot. The Hood actually needed the complete makeover from engine placement to armor fitting to be equally competent unlike the Renown which only had the superstructure and rearranging of bulkheads I believe as well as a better array of AA guns. One reason I found Repulse going under despite going matrix on bombs and torpedoes was her inefficient AA guns from the massive aerial assault. Though in retrospect, she didn't really need those as she was to operate in the North Sea and all the AA guns she would likely get are pop shooters with good service ceilings and a few close-in Pom Poms if any Stuka decided to get manly.

 

For the Kongos though: Hiei was under fire when Laffey got close enough to fire HE at the massive pagoda mast which rattled the hell out of the battleship whereas Kirishima did not see Washington get dangerously close until the North Carolina fired.

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I think Hood will be a premium ship!

 

Pretty sure the Royal Navy was just a myth. I mean "Britannia rules the waves", who are they kidding? Sounds like a national delusion dreamed up to compensate for having such crappy weather. 

 

Dan

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i wonder if they put her historical unfinished armor, where only her bow to her mid part are the only heavily armored and her stern part are lightly armored.

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they HAD to send her to battle before reinforcing the rear armour. Fail

 

Well she barely had time to sit around in drydock for retrofit since remember: the Germans deemed the Treaty of Versailles total bullshit and started arming the shit out of the navy, one of the products was of the Scharnhorst which was reported to be fast. Seeing as their only powerful fast capital ships were the old battlecruisers, Hood in particular due to broadside weight, they had to postpone stuff done to her until the KGV's assembled.

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Well she barely had time to sit around in drydock for retrofit since remember: the Germans deemed the Treaty of Versailles total bullshit and started arming the shit out of the navy, one of the products was of the Scharnhorst which was reported to be fast. Seeing as their only powerful fast capital ships were the old battlecruisers, Hood in particular due to broadside weight, they had to postpone stuff done to her until the KGV's assembled.

 

damn it whoever made that decision, don't you know patience is the key? -.-

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damn it whoever made that decision, don't you know patience is the key? -.-

 

The Royal Navy needed to be able to act quickly to take down major German Fleet units. As long as the German capital ships were still in play the Royal Navy had to keep powerful forces in home waters and on convoy protection duties. Look at what the USN did moving BB's from the Atlantic Fleet after Pearl Harbour to bolster the Pacific Fleet. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there were valid reasons for the actions taken and risks run.

 

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