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so, I just reach new york, kongo, bogue, omaha, and minekaze. Tier 5 gameplay is fine for cv and dd. Not much changed from the tier 3-4. Cruiser.... Still the same. But bb, especially for usn bb. Do you think it's a good idea to put a new york to "fault line" map, or "land of fire"? Those map is a sniping map. "Two brothers" also kinda wide. And when mm gives you some tier 7. My team just don't push. They just snipe, circling around and die when the enemy team finally decide to push. Even when my flank wins, they damaged and destroyed some enemy. They mostly didn't push. They just sail at the map border and as soon as they see enemy salvo, they turn back and retreat. Even when it's a 5vs2 they still don't want to push. I never see this at tier 4, I did just fine when mm gives me tier 6-4 but when tier 7 joins. It's just urgh. This gameplay is well.. Bad. Please help. Am I missing something? Do I need to change tactics? I barely got a win in the last 3 days. In tier 4 it's just a pleasure sailing along my teammates. Pushing for cap, but here.. Sniping everywhere. And it's not efficient to shoot cruiser at 17km+ and yes I got good hit on bb. But sometimes. When my flank are winning, I look at the team and the rest of the team sniping on the other side completely wrecked. Please help. How can you guys do well in this type of game?

 

Good luck and fair seas.

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You can manipulate crowds a bit by going in 3-player divisions. The general assumption is that no one likes to die in higher-tier public matches, so they hang back and wait for someone else to lead and take fire. By staying in a 3-player division, you can make them assume that "The team is pushing in this direction, I should follow to get exp".

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USN BB's (below Tier 8) in general has rather bad firing range and shell dispersion.

In order to be better in these ships, you should try to get closer to the enemy. It'll be better if you have a few escort ships as support (AA cover and DD screening). Although the main batteries aren't made for long range sniping like their Japanese counterpart, the superior armor allows you to tank more damage while you're closing in on the enemy. The AP penetration rate on these dreadnoughts are quite good up close, so as long as you're near enough and the enemy is showing you their delicious broadside, you can get lots of citadel on them and deal massive amount of damage.

 

I personally don't play USN BB's that much, in fact, my highest Tier USN BB is the Wyoming (T4). I'm just saying what I think would work on those ships, it wouldn't hurt to try it by yourself xD

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WG actually did a good job in game balance of tier 5

as a US BB, you can still do a lot of damage

but you have to go full speed towards the front and take the islands as cover to prevent being concentrated

remember to load HE until you start fighting with the BB

as such path is DD's favour.

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lol tier 5. this gets much worse as you go up tier. so you either get used to it, or you quit the game.

 

My advice to you is don't snipe. US BBs have excellent armor protection. As long as you keep a good angling, you can take much more beating than IJN BBs.

 

until CAs notice you and spam you with HE. to hell with your good protection and angling, it doesnt matter to HE. HE MASTER RACE

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starting t5, you will start slowly moving as fleets since the ships that gets lost or isolated with other ships will be concentrated by enemy fire. when your team just cricle around then you find yourself circle around too to avoid being sunk early. you can also lead by slowly advancing through enemy lines or push through and hope your team will follow

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You know my Furutaka can't penetrate USN BB even when going melee

 

My advice is going together with Division consist of 2 cruisers and 1 battleship (or the other way around)

the fire power is quite enough to get rid of HE spammer and also can be the lead magnet to the rest of the team

 

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lol tier 5. this gets much worse as you go up tier. so you either get used to it, or you quit the game.

 

 

until CAs notice you and spam you with HE. to hell with your good protection and angling, it doesnt matter to HE. HE MASTER RACE

 

That's the main reason why BBs camp and snipe. Scared of being fried by HE rounds. Taking damage and dishing out damage for the team is what a BB should do. Of course,  you don't want to over-extend, but we don't want camping BBs on our team don't we?

Best way to counter cruisers spamming HE are cruiser escorts and premium damage control. Never use damage control on just one fire. You're a BB. You have a lot of health pool. You have a heal. Use it.

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so, I just reach new york, kongo, bogue, omaha, and minekaze. Tier 5 gameplay is fine for cv and dd. Not much changed from the tier 3-4. Cruiser.... Still the same. But bb, especially for usn bb. Do you think it's a good idea to put a new york to "fault line" map, or "land of fire"? Those map is a sniping map. "Two brothers" also kinda wide. And when mm gives you some tier 7. My team just don't push. They just snipe, circling around and die when the enemy team finally decide to push. Even when my flank wins, they damaged and destroyed some enemy. They mostly didn't push. They just sail at the map border and as soon as they see enemy salvo, they turn back and retreat. Even when it's a 5vs2 they still don't want to push. I never see this at tier 4, I did just fine when mm gives me tier 6-4 but when tier 7 joins. It's just urgh. This gameplay is well.. Bad. Please help. Am I missing something? Do I need to change tactics? I barely got a win in the last 3 days. In tier 4 it's just a pleasure sailing along my teammates. Pushing for cap, but here.. Sniping everywhere. And it's not efficient to shoot cruiser at 17km+ and yes I got good hit on bb. But sometimes. When my flank are winning, I look at the team and the rest of the team sniping on the other side completely wrecked. Please help. How can you guys do well in this type of game?

 

Good luck and fair seas.

 

 Yolo hard and more hard that how you play well in a tier 5 matches.:hiding:

 

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That's the main reason why BBs camp and snipe. Scared of being fried by HE rounds. Taking damage and dishing out damage for the team is what a BB should do. Of course,  you don't want to over-extend, but we don't want camping BBs on our team don't we?

Best way to counter cruisers spamming HE are cruiser escorts and premium damage control. Never use damage control on just one fire. You're a BB. You have a lot of health pool. You have a heal. Use it.

 

*  I can hear Zao and other IJN Cruisers laughing in a distance.

 

With IJN CA's high chance of fire/shell, you will have 2-4 fires in just a few salvoes. You will be forced to damage control.

Problem with using repair while being spammed by HE, is that it recovers the hp of your deck, that means HE will go back to 100% damage until your ship is charred again(like 10k HE salvo from a zao).

 

I have been pointing out that CAs, IJN and Zao in particulary, have very high and unfair chance of fire back when I still hoping this game will be balanced for the professional competitive scene. Nobody seems to be realizing it even with evidence(BBs camping, now even some heavy CAs like Moskva and Hinden camps) piling up. Add up the ridiculous concept of stealth/invisi fire on open sea without any blockage and suddenly we can see CA(zao) murdering a Yamato singlehandedly with impunity, then we all know how hitting a target in battleship works, 50% skill 50% luck. Rock paper scissors my ****.

 

WG seemed to focus more on the torp balance and I must admit they are doing some right things here and there but keeps on blinding out when it comes to HE and cruiser balance. HE damage and chance of fire for cruisers should be around like that to the German CAs.

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Weird, I've had great times playing as, with, and against tier 5-7 BBs. From my experience, most BBs in these tiers play with the right amount of aggressiveness. They're not afraid to push but not as suicidal as lower tier BBs. It's not until tier 8+ that BB gameplay turns into bows-on long range campfest.

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You realise that USN BB has high armor. HE does not deal much damage to you. TILL IT BURNSSSSSS. Anyways. If you see your team following you. Don't be scared to rush forward. But be sure to have an island to hide behind somewhere between your rush. You need to for your repair party to come back up.

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If u r talking about the new york and new mex these 2 are insane because they have pen values that can easily devastate anything.

They however have low rate of fire and poor dispersion, this combined with poor speed means yoloing. And yoloing is easily defeated by people who kite. Kiting is the most rampant playstyle in sea, unlike the dogfights in other regions. That explains their passive playstyle: no one wants to go in and burn to death while doing pathetic damage to heavily angled cruisers sailing away and spamming HE.

 

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I survived tier 5 games by party with my friends ^^, they will decide how will the tactic be. i just following it. but sometime you should be the comander by showing your teammate that you are trustable. i done this quiet often and seem its quiet good

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Fault Line map as tier 5 ships is manageable.

But Land of Fires, guess you hit a tier 7 battle. As tier 5, just go in a group (but never ahead of main group) and check your map for battle situation.

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I have played just a few hundred battles so far and my highest tier is 6...both BBs and CAs. I am a noob in training:). I do have extensive PvP gaming experience mostly WoT Blitz with close to 20k battles.

 

So far...I love wows...mostly due to zero pressure on my stats. I just don't care about wows stats....(I'm paranoid about by Blitz stats) so wows is just like a mental retreat for me.

 

I don't find torps and HE spamming as issue at all in tiers 1-6 and enjoy most of the battles win or lose. I am not looking forward to tier 7  as I can't see any good ships in USN BB & CA lines or in the Russian CA line...but I will just grind through.

 

I do sometimes get really bad MM or absolutely incompetent teammates....but this is the curse of random PvP.

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