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EvyL

the Takao cruiser

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I refuse to focus on a single ship because I'm a lazy shmuck.

 

One day, I shall find Lacroix's book and BUY it.

 

BADPOST TL;DR INCOMING.

 

As the cruiser concept evolved under the yoke of the Naval Treaty, Japan wasn't about to leave its bit behind and their definition of cruiser was that it would be a superlative anti-surface ship. Right after the Myoko was built, she was used as the template for their most modern iterations, with the unfinished Ibuki being the last one (when I say Ibuki, I mean that the 1941 Type A cruiser for the 6th Naval Supplement Program people know and love called the Senjo/Zao wasn't present and that Ibuki was actually planned despite being touted as "Mogami 2.0"). Also touted as the best cruisers Japan made for a treaty ship.

 

I PRESENT TO YOU THE TAKAO.

 

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Okay, not THESE two Takaos ya chuckleheads (rokuwata tomoe, you are AWESOME!) although people wait for the one on the right to arrive because ARP collab. No blonde "pan paka paaan~" for you ya cruiser shlubs.

 

51alug.jpgTHIS Takao. RUdevs seriously WHERE IS SHE?! Don't give me that bull that her little sister Atago is representing them!

 

There's this interesting notion on Japan's shipbuilding that they DONT spem ships of the same type as part of the workforce but rather make a few ships in those classes then move on which will make cross-training a hard thing to do. For all intents and purposes, Myoko and her three sisters were solid ships when they were launched, not uber state of the art solid, but just solid enough to give them a good notion of accomplishment carrying the first iteration on how they cruiser as well as of the first ABC-XY turret layout with turret B superfiring and turret C facing aft even though they sorta displace to about 15k tonnes because half-baked naval treaty only limited them to 10k tonnes and 8 inch guns for cruisers because treaty funnies but to be fair, they were short of 10k tonnes so that meant they passed as treaty cruisers that was to be the standard layout of their cruisers because they wanted theirs to be monumental trolls that will force you to bleed from every orifice to the point when you see them your day will suck... and sink for that matter.

 

Apparently, they wanted more. The way they wanted to cruiser was that the ship would strive to be a 'supercruiser' (in my opinion, the Senjo, as I find the name Zao too dull, is considered as their pinnacle of all IJN heavy cruiser thought in-game) that could lead small strike groups comprised of light cruisers and destroyers, be an effective anti-surface screen and NOT get their bearings whacked easily. The result was the strange Takaos with all their weird-ass superstructures. There were four of em: Takao, Atago, Choukai and Maya. Incidentally, there's this funny crossover of sorts with the cruisers and the Amagi battlecruisers as the capital ships were to be Amagi, Akagi before she went full carrier, Atago and Takao who was to be called Ashitaka.

 

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Takao during shakedown. GLORIOUS WEIRD-ASS SUPERSTRUCTURE/FORECASTLE THAT WAS STRONK.

 

I still find them as Myokos on steroids and hax.

 

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I find the superstructure actually funny.

 

The Takaos had a about 5 inches of belt, 2 inches of deck, and an inch of turret while the offensives had her with the same ten 203's in the ABC-XY configuration, some DP 4.7 inch guns, a bunch of 25mm guns, a bit of 40mm guns(?) and a pair of quadmount tubes (note that Myoko had triple tubes) for the first iteration and after having retrofits, had an increase of AA guns, 5 inch DP guns thrown to Takao, Atago and Maya and an additional pair of quad mount tubes. All four could run at about 35 knots which was impressively fast for their time. Some ships had been fitted with a turret that could elevate the gun at 70 degrees but its kinda impractical if the ship wasn't an AA cruiser or had guns that could use that high angle for an insane plunging fire shot.

 

UL3NNfI.pngI heard you liek Maya. Note the superstructure being a far cry from what she originally looked like because they had to refit a LOT of things.

 

About the things... I'll say that there's strange things to take into account here. Adding the fact that turrets ABC of the ABC-XY layout in pyramid form adds more weight up front, the ship was really REALLY top heavy that if you throw her into a storm, she'll keel over/capsize because glorious deck weight and she's not Mikhail Kutuzov oh you. Turret C was also problematic as it faced backwards. Why is this a thing, you might ask? Well the ship needs to actually present more of her side to bring all three turrets to bear and this is excluding turrets X and Y at back if you want to bring your broadside to bear. The layout on Mogami and Ibuki had a good placement with turret C being superfiring and not turret B. Oh you also might notice pre-fitted Furutaka (the cruiser you know in-game does not have her retrofit which made her look similar to Aoba) having the middle turrets B and Y superfiring. Maya had her turret C removed for more AA dakka because in the APAC brawl, you actually need more AA dakka. No exceptions. Unless you want plane spam flybys above you.

 

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Turret in question. Dat projected elevation is DELISHUS.

 

The bridge though... well... as these cruisers were also intended to be tough command ships for small to medium battlegroups that didn't have big-ass battleships or carriers with them, the compartments were a bit sizable than the norm to house the commanders and you could practically tell a Takao from any Japanese cruiser because of that slanted superstructure up front even on a silhouette, except for Maya after retrofitting.

 

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Heavy cruiser doing flak duties impractical? Tell that to the US with their cruisers, especially the Baltimore.

 

Takao survived the war which had her go down as a target ship as she spent her last days being an AA platform. A funny thing however, she didn't sink when the Allied forces found her and tried to blast her by sticking mines beside the hull which led to a hole in the hull which knocked out her guns and destroyed some equipments, Atago is currently sleeping somewhere near Palawan alongside Maya because subs Darter and Dace were hopefully trying to become purebred scumbags by torpedoing Center Force as they steamed through Palawan Strait and Choukai was scuttled after the brawl off Samar where she was one who witnessed the most manliest feat ever done by the destroyers although... her torpedoes went boom after taking a 5 inch round to the tubes (to those that might not now, you probably heard that the Type 93 Long Lance torpedo was the most devastating piece of torpedo Japan made, it was also potential murder to the parent ship because of its rather volatile nature. Volatile I say? Well oxygen being oxygen increases blast and it had happened to Suzuya and this cruiser. Kitakami I believe had to dump all her torpedoes when she was under attack by bombs because an exploding bomb doesn't react well to an oxygen torpedo and on the ship deck for that reason).

 

In-game wise, Atago is the only Takao class present but I would love the big sister to represent the class to be there again. Takao will stand at tier 8 alongside Mogami as a "bump" of sorts which can give the IJN cruiser players the choice of being a total ninja prick that is Mogami (tell me her 10.1km detection with concealent skill and paint, what more 9.2 with commander's concealment skill is NOT glorious) or a really tough-as-nails heavy cruiser. I'm guessing she'll have in the research path an improved gun, her stock hull A when she was built as-is, hull B shows the 1944-45 outfit and hull C as Maya's that gives you more AA guns at the cost of losing a turret., stock gun range of 15.5 with a max gun range of 16.3 as Ibuki has 16.5 when fully souped up and probably stock speed of 30 knots that you can upgrade to 35 because lolgrind. Gun dispersion is a bit big and will be unable to mount an accurizer to counterbalance her solid status and handling that's likely a souped up version of her little sister. Oh and give Atago's perma camo back to Takao, hopefully that does NOT cost a lot of gold because from what I could remember, the paint scheme on the little sister belongs to the big sister.

 

If windforce brings up "its a carnival~" again, I will wring him.

 

Derp.exe has encountered a serious error.

 

Edited by EvyL

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Super Tester
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Man, I still want a Maya in-game.

 

I least expected YOU of all people sy. I am disappoint.

 

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I would trade my Atago for a Maya any day of the week.

 

*repeatedly wrings windforce's neck*

 

Its quite a shame though, Maya AA was said to not have the potency that rivaled a true AA monster like Atlanta. On second thought, I believe Atlanta was the only dedicated AA monster made for the purpose.

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Its quite a shame though, Maya AA was said to not have the potency that rivaled a true AA monster like Atlanta. On second thought, I believe Atlanta was the only dedicated AA monster made for the purpose.

 

Technically, Iowa's an AA escort...

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I remember an iowa giving me orders to cover our fat ass Essex for additional AA protection

 

Srsly what can my 3 km range peashooters do to a jet squadron 

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Then again Maya, being a heavy cruiser convert, still has decent throw weight and toughness :p

 

 

Also, Choukai was sunk by a 5-inch, yes, but not from a destroyer; it was from the secondary batteries of escort carrier White Plains.

Yeah.

 

The White Plains was a Casablanca-class CVE, which puts it somewhere between the Bogue and Independence.

 

That's right.

 

A Tier 8 heavy cruiser got "Detonation" from a Tier 5 - 6 carrier.

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I remember an iowa giving me orders to cover our fat ass Essex for additional AA protection

 

Srsly what can my 3 km range peashooters do to a jet squadron 

 

Remember that the Iowa covers large task force carriers. You can't expect the ship in a battlegroup that has a carrier or two to stay beside them all the time, right? Huehuehuehue

 

Then again Maya, being a heavy cruiser convert, still has decent throw weight and toughness :p

 

 

Also, Choukai was sunk by a 5-inch, yes, but not from a destroyer; it was from the secondary batteries of escort carrier White Plains.

Yeah.

 

The White Plains was a Casablanca-class CVE, which puts it somewhere between the Bogue and Independence.

 

That's right.

 

A Tier 8 heavy cruiser got "Detonation" from a Tier 5 - 6 carrier.

 

Though I doubt about her effective service ceiling. Throw weight sure, but service ceiling? At least she could elevate her guns 70 degrees.

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By throw weight I was referring to surface capability; Maya's 8 20.3cms can still perform fairly well in cruiser duels without having to resort to greek fire. Given the heavier caliber she also would have better range.

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Indeed.

 

Had to buy the freaky thing because I am about to lose hope for Takao jumping in-game.

 

Speaking of which, I have no idea what additional retrofits they got aside from the dakka increase, armor thickening and bulge thickening near the bulkhead and that strange plan I saw showed no torpedo bulkhead although for IJN cruisers, I dunno if they did add that in the hull.

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Takao class, for all intents and purposes, built to be faster, sleeker, and just as heavily armed or better (with them type 93 torps) than those WW1 era dreads they were supposed to face of the US Pacific fleet. I'd say these ships with their awesome bridge structures were indeed fitting as flagships compared to the HUGE ASS PAGODA's of the Fuso class

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