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  1. 1. Mogami tears or CV tears?

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The torps are kinda weak on the kiev even though there's 10, so u sort of need another 10 to compensate for it...

7 hits, nagato lives :izmena:

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The torps are kinda weak on the kiev even though there's 10, so u sort of need another 10 to compensate for it...

7 hits, nagato lives :izmena:

 

its 70 knot that i really like about it, No way DD that can out run this torps espacially one that park in the smoke :D:D:D

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The torps are kinda weak on the kiev even though there's 10, so u sort of need another 10 to compensate for it...

7 hits, nagato lives :izmena:

 

The moment when I get 10 torp hits in my Lo Yang on a full HP Amagi at 3km and it had 3000 HP left.
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its 70 knot that i really like about it, No way DD that can out run this torps espacially one that park in the smoke :D:D:D

 

thinking of getting the torp damage upgrade lol

If i get that close anyway i might as well maximise my damage

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The Warspite however is uhhmm... I'm sorry... She's feisty alright but does seem kinda slow for me, I value speed over everything else in WoWS that's why I couldn't get past the Kongo and have this preference to Cruisers and DDs...

 

While she is slower, she makes up for that with her armor and laser like accuracy. She can citadel tier 5 and 6 BBs through their bow with overmatch. Those 15" guns are nasty. If you've mastered the New Mexico, then the Warspite will be easy to adjust to play in. However, don't expect much when she's in a tier 8 battle. She's toast. Why WG allows this ship to get into a tier 8 is beyond commonsense and comprehension.

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I was going to do a massive writeup on USN CV and why these patches are pants-on-head but I give up. I don't even know what to say anymore. Any patch where USN CV gets nerfed and IJN gets buffed is normal and the reverse unthinkable. There is not a single server this game tracks which boasts a t4-t8 advantage for USN CV.

 

Let me repeat that for those hard of reading: IJN CV beat USN CV in every meaningful way for tiers 4-8.

 

So keep on nerfing those USN CV WG good job. Did you know the hiryu has more than double the number of played games as Ranger? That's right, the ranger is quite literally so terrible people on SEA play the hiryu >2x as often.

 

And now they're nerfing Lexington - let's look at that excuse.

 

Q: Aren't your changes to Essex, Lexington and Midway too dramatic? Shall I sell the best U.S. aircraft carriers now?

A: No way! Essex and Midway had enormous advantages. It was necessary to decrease their performance. Lexington, however, had only one obvious and effective research option – the one originally offered. It’s not all bad. The U.S. Tier VIII–X dive bombers will carry a 1,000-lb. bomb that will slightly balance the decrease in damage. This aircraft type is very common in the U.S. air groups. Apart from losing the popular "ideal" 2-1-1 setup, Lexington will receive the extremely important "technological" advantage: its Corsairs and Hellcats will now face the upgraded yet similar A6M5-C Zeros.

 

Ok so basically you're saying that you're nerfing the lexington stock loadout because the other loadouts were uncompetitive and therefore unpopular and rather than buff them to make them better and more competitive you're nerfing the lexington stock kit because that's what you need to do to preserve that IJN bias narrative you're forcing.  Also look at that technological advantage they mention: how is it an advantage to upgrade the planes the lex uses if you're buffing the IJN fighter to compensate? u WOT?

 

This is the script of some kind of comedy it beggars belief that this is professional game development.

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i just got an info from my friend who play in NA server, they change zuiho fighter to A6m2 zero and meanwhile The Bogue still use WW1 fighter plane...

im still okay they "re-balance" lexington,Essex, and Midway...

but they also buff T5 zuiho...

i just wanna say RIP USN CV player, and now we will rare to see USN CV...

i hope WG fix this A.S.A.P

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i just got an info from my friend who play in NA server, they change zuiho fighter to A6m2 zero and meanwhile The Bogue still use WW1 fighter plane...

im still okay they "re-balance" lexington,Essex, and Midway...

but they also buff T5 zuiho...

i just wanna say RIP USN CV player, and now we will rare to see USN CV...

i hope WG fix this A.S.A.P

 

I wouldn't count on them fixing it any time soon. I just did up a coloured graph to demonstrate what I said above. Although formatting to the forums does not preserve the colouration you will observe that aside from plane kills rate, IJN beat USN in every catagory for tier 4 to tier 8 and sometimes by over 50% more effectiveness. Will we ever see USN CV buffs? Not so long as people sub and drop $ for dubloons in order to get through the tech tree.

 

 

FACTION NAME TIER   KDR NA KDR EU KDR SEA KDR RU   XP PER MATCH NA XP PER MATCH EU XP PER MATCH SEA XP PER MATCH RU   DAMAGE AVG NA DAMAGE AVG EU DAMAGE AVG SEA DAMAGE AVG RU   PLANE KILL RATE NA PLANE KILL RATE EU PLANE KILL RATE SEA PLANE KILL RATE RU
                                             
USN LANGLEY 4   -0.02 0.02 0.14 0.17   720 826 915 1013   24718 27258 33126 34572   11.33 11.48 13.19 12.78
USN BOGUE 5   -0.16 -0.06 -0.02 0.19   812 946 997 1206   19528 24310 27765 37076   14.2 14.43 16.34 14.05
USN INDEPENDENCE 6   -0.12 0.02 0.09 0.52   1058 1282 1303 1754   30550 38471 42142 59335   12.13 12.46 13.55 13.53
USN RANGER 7   0.1 0.18 0.11 0.62   1189 1403 1391 1832   41208 47626 47975 65859   17.03 17.64 20.34 18.75
USN LEXINGTON 8   0.01 0.1 0.08 0.35   1312 1598 1583 2022   44743 51778 50552 62742   25.77 27.65 30.59 31.48
USN ESSEX 9   0.59 0.76 0.73 1.28   1673 2070 2080 2606   86689 97755 96300 117355   19.53 19.51 21.11 20.52
USN MIDWAY 10   0.92 1.11 0.96 2.11   2272 2672 2602 2820   123353 134449 122062 144312   21.16 20.65 23.08 21.34
                                             
IJN HOSHO 4   0.21 0.32 0.4 0.57   827 982 996 1201   37949 42040 43195 49595   6.73 6.84 7.43 7.49
IJN ZUIHO 5   0.25 0.43 0.62 0.93   1020 1243 1316 1603   42200 49247 53660 63471   7.39 7.09 7.56 6.54
IJN RYUJO 6   0.16 0.35 0.42 1.03   1173 1422 1396 1957   42830 51499 52819 72370   9.24 8.09 9.39 7.08
IJN HIRYU 7   0.23 0.38 0.4 0.91   1376 1723 1734 2271   51288 57971 57632 74899   15.71 14.55 18.77 14.8
IJN SHOKAKU 8   0.34 0.45 0.43 1.06   1537 1920 1886 2375   60452 68882 64525 84431   15.11 13.76 17.4 13.89
IJN TAIHO 9   0.51 0.71 0.62 1.77   1809 2260 2294 2564   79796 90158 84391 94547   19.96 18.75 25.8 21.02
IJN HAKURYU 10   0.57 0.9 0.77 1.97   2076 2574 2603 2626   96469 115551 99238 115980   22.91 19 27.7 20.23

 

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I wouldn't count on them fixing it any time soon. I just did up a coloured graph to demonstrate what I said above. Although formatting to the forums does not preserve the colouration you will observe that aside from plane kills rate, IJN beat USN in every catagory for tier 4 to tier 8 and sometimes by over 50% more effectiveness. Will we ever see USN CV buffs? Not so long as people sub and drop $ for dubloons in order to get through the tech tree.

 

 

FACTION NAME TIER   KDR NA KDR EU KDR SEA KDR RU   XP PER MATCH NA XP PER MATCH EU XP PER MATCH SEA XP PER MATCH RU   DAMAGE AVG NA DAMAGE AVG EU DAMAGE AVG SEA DAMAGE AVG RU   PLANE KILL RATE NA PLANE KILL RATE EU PLANE KILL RATE SEA PLANE KILL RATE RU
                                             
USN LANGLEY 4   -0.02 0.02 0.14 0.17   720 826 915 1013   24718 27258 33126 34572   11.33 11.48 13.19 12.78
USN BOGUE 5   -0.16 -0.06 -0.02 0.19   812 946 997 1206   19528 24310 27765 37076   14.2 14.43 16.34 14.05
USN INDEPENDENCE 6   -0.12 0.02 0.09 0.52   1058 1282 1303 1754   30550 38471 42142 59335   12.13 12.46 13.55 13.53
USN RANGER 7   0.1 0.18 0.11 0.62   1189 1403 1391 1832   41208 47626 47975 65859   17.03 17.64 20.34 18.75
USN LEXINGTON 8   0.01 0.1 0.08 0.35   1312 1598 1583 2022   44743 51778 50552 62742   25.77 27.65 30.59 31.48
USN ESSEX 9   0.59 0.76 0.73 1.28   1673 2070 2080 2606   86689 97755 96300 117355   19.53 19.51 21.11 20.52
USN MIDWAY 10   0.92 1.11 0.96 2.11   2272 2672 2602 2820   123353 134449 122062 144312   21.16 20.65 23.08 21.34
                                             
IJN HOSHO 4   0.21 0.32 0.4 0.57   827 982 996 1201   37949 42040 43195 49595   6.73 6.84 7.43 7.49
IJN ZUIHO 5   0.25 0.43 0.62 0.93   1020 1243 1316 1603   42200 49247 53660 63471   7.39 7.09 7.56 6.54
IJN RYUJO 6   0.16 0.35 0.42 1.03   1173 1422 1396 1957   42830 51499 52819 72370   9.24 8.09 9.39 7.08
IJN HIRYU 7   0.23 0.38 0.4 0.91   1376 1723 1734 2271   51288 57971 57632 74899   15.71 14.55 18.77 14.8
IJN SHOKAKU 8   0.34 0.45 0.43 1.06   1537 1920 1886 2375   60452 68882 64525 84431   15.11 13.76 17.4 13.89
IJN TAIHO 9   0.51 0.71 0.62 1.77   1809 2260 2294 2564   79796 90158 84391 94547   19.96 18.75 25.8 21.02
IJN HAKURYU 10   0.57 0.9 0.77 1.97   2076 2574 2603 2626   96469 115551 99238 115980   22.91 19 27.7 20.23

 

I think who use this stat for compare CV is lag of logical because it's combine with all loadout so we can't analyze by accuracy.

example: from my experience

90% midway use 122 loadout , 10% for 302 and 212

but

60% hakuryu use 233, 232 loadout 40%use 422 loadout

so 40% of hakuryu will make hakuryu's overall avg DMG down

 

 

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I wouldn't count on them fixing it any time soon. I just did up a coloured graph to demonstrate what I said above. Although formatting to the forums does not preserve the colouration you will observe that aside from plane kills rate, IJN beat USN in every catagory for tier 4 to tier 8 and sometimes by over 50% more effectiveness. Will we ever see USN CV buffs? Not so long as people sub and drop $ for dubloons in order to get through the tech tree.

 

 

FACTION NAME TIER   KDR NA KDR EU KDR SEA KDR RU   XP PER MATCH NA XP PER MATCH EU XP PER MATCH SEA XP PER MATCH RU   DAMAGE AVG NA DAMAGE AVG EU DAMAGE AVG SEA DAMAGE AVG RU   PLANE KILL RATE NA PLANE KILL RATE EU PLANE KILL RATE SEA PLANE KILL RATE RU
                                             
USN LANGLEY 4   -0.02 0.02 0.14 0.17   720 826 915 1013   24718 27258 33126 34572   11.33 11.48 13.19 12.78
USN BOGUE 5   -0.16 -0.06 -0.02 0.19   812 946 997 1206   19528 24310 27765 37076   14.2 14.43 16.34 14.05
USN INDEPENDENCE 6   -0.12 0.02 0.09 0.52   1058 1282 1303 1754   30550 38471 42142 59335   12.13 12.46 13.55 13.53
USN RANGER 7   0.1 0.18 0.11 0.62   1189 1403 1391 1832   41208 47626 47975 65859   17.03 17.64 20.34 18.75
USN LEXINGTON 8   0.01 0.1 0.08 0.35   1312 1598 1583 2022   44743 51778 50552 62742   25.77 27.65 30.59 31.48
USN ESSEX 9   0.59 0.76 0.73 1.28   1673 2070 2080 2606   86689 97755 96300 117355   19.53 19.51 21.11 20.52
USN MIDWAY 10   0.92 1.11 0.96 2.11   2272 2672 2602 2820   123353 134449 122062 144312   21.16 20.65 23.08 21.34
                                             
IJN HOSHO 4   0.21 0.32 0.4 0.57   827 982 996 1201   37949 42040 43195 49595   6.73 6.84 7.43 7.49
IJN ZUIHO 5   0.25 0.43 0.62 0.93   1020 1243 1316 1603   42200 49247 53660 63471   7.39 7.09 7.56 6.54
IJN RYUJO 6   0.16 0.35 0.42 1.03   1173 1422 1396 1957   42830 51499 52819 72370   9.24 8.09 9.39 7.08
IJN HIRYU 7   0.23 0.38 0.4 0.91   1376 1723 1734 2271   51288 57971 57632 74899   15.71 14.55 18.77 14.8
IJN SHOKAKU 8   0.34 0.45 0.43 1.06   1537 1920 1886 2375   60452 68882 64525 84431   15.11 13.76 17.4 13.89
IJN TAIHO 9   0.51 0.71 0.62 1.77   1809 2260 2294 2564   79796 90158 84391 94547   19.96 18.75 25.8 21.02
IJN HAKURYU 10   0.57 0.9 0.77 1.97   2076 2574 2603 2626   96469 115551 99238 115980   22.91 19 27.7 20.23

 

 

Langley, Bogue, and Independence in some servers have negative KDR, huh? This baffled me because CV is THE easiest class to achieve positive KDR.

 

Also, I think the reason why USN CVs have lower average damage than IJN CVs is because USN CVs tend to use fighter setup more than IJN CVs. Hopefully this data will make some people realize that fighter setup is useless and switch to balanced/strike setup.

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Also, I think the reason why USN CVs have lower average damage than IJN CVs is because USN CVs tend to use fighter setup more than IJN CVs. Hopefully this data will make some people realize that fighter setup is useless and switch to balanced/strike setup.

 

I dunno, I kinda like the 74% wr on my Indie despite only using fighters :P

Now if WG could re-enable the 2 CVs per div rule so that I always have a second CV with me... :P:P

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I dunno, I kinda like the 74% wr on my Indie despite only using fighters :P

Now if WG could re-enable the 2 CVs per div rule so that I always have a second CV with me... :P:P

 

try tier 9-10 battle your may will change your mind

I never lose in battle that has  2 strike CV VS 2 air superiority CV

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try tier 9-10 battle your may will change your mind

I never lose in battle that has  2 strike CV VS 2 air superiority CV

 

High tiers unbalanced?

I never knew!

And here I'm slowly grinding up each techtree line at the same time for totally different reasons.

Like Wolpertinger or Mandelhörnchen.

 

 

You have my dearest gratitude for explaining this impossible to know information to this mere land rat,

oh great captain of the seven seas, destroyer of fleets and bringer of cake. :child:

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High tiers unbalanced?

I never knew!

And here I'm slowly grinding up each techtree line at the same time for totally different reasons.

Like Wolpertinger or Mandelhörnchen.

 

 

You have my dearest gratitude for explaining this impossible to know information to this mere land rat,

oh great captain of the seven seas, destroyer of fleets and bringer of cake. :child:

2 strike CV always win 2 air superiority CV because simple logic "who can do more damage should be win" that all

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2 strike CV always win 2 air superiority CV because simple logic "who can do more damage should be win" that all

 

Such a simple solution... I don't know how it escaped my mind's grasp up until now.

Let me thank you again for laying down the facts in an easy way for even one such as myself to understand.

I guess I'll switch to the strike loadout myself now, just after I've emptied this one...last... CV... I promise it's the last one...

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i just got an info from my friend who play in NA server, they change zuiho fighter to A6m2 zero and meanwhile The Bogue still use WW1 fighter plane...

im still okay they "re-balance" lexington,Essex, and Midway...

but they also buff T5 zuiho...

i just wanna say RIP USN CV player, and now we will rare to see USN CV...

i hope WG fix this A.S.A.P

in 0.5.2.4

Zuiho TOP FT
speed : 134
Total HP : 970 x 4 = 3880
Total DPS : 35 x 4 = 140

Bogue TOP FT
Speed : 127
Total HP : 940 x 6 = 5640
Total DPS : 35 x 6 = 210

 

welll in 0.5.3

Zuiho TOP FT

speed : 162

Total HP : 1210 x 4 = 4840

Total DPS : 44 x 4 = 176

 

Bogue TOP FT

Speed : 156

Total HP : 1090 x 6 = 6540

Total DPS : 47 x 6 = 282


both CV got buffed

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in 0.5.2.4

Zuiho TOP FT
speed : 134
Total HP : 970 x 4 = 3880
Total DPS : 35 x 4 = 140

Bogue TOP FT
Speed : 127
Total HP : 940 x 6 = 5640
Total DPS : 35 x 6 = 210

 

welll in 0.5.3

Zuiho TOP FT

speed : 162

Total HP : 1210 x 4 = 4840

Total DPS : 44 x 4 = 176

 

Bogue TOP FT

Speed : 156

Total HP : 1090 x 6 = 6540

Total DPS : 47 x 6 = 282


both CV got buffed

 

I love it when people fixate on one particular tier of a ship class in order to validate their point of view.

 

Like some clown said to me last night about midway being OP therefore its OK that IJN carriers being better than USN because reasons. I don't know, maybe being forced to play 30% more games at a negative win-rate isn't enough evidence to show that USN CV need a buff. Also looking back at those statistics I posted before, if we take only xp award generation in to account, the experience earnings difference is only around 10% at the top two tiers, while at lower tiers the disparity is closer to 25%.

 

Someone also said to me his IJN cruiser needed more buffs after 3 pinpoint drops from my DB failed to score a single hit. It needed more buffs, because leafblowing my planes out of the sky isn't enough for him, he needs to be completely immune to aircraft in order to be satiated. The only saving grace for me in that case was we had an island in between us but show my a single ship in the game that has a 90s+ rof.

 

For reference what I'm saying is: the dps on carriers is extremely low, the alpha is extremely high. It can take almost 5 minutes for planes to reach the other side of the map and do a drop sometimes. You do ZERO damage in that intervening period. A cruiser can score hits every 5-8s.

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^^^

dont u see that post that i quote?
he is arguing about zuiho got buffed.. then leaving bogue unbuffed...

 

then i just point it out.

that both of them got buffed. 

 

and u are being salty about whole different thing... :fishpalm:

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dont u see that post that i quote?

he is arguing about zuiho got buffed.. then leaving bogue unbuffed...

 

then i just point it out.

that both of them got buffed. 

 

and u are being salty about whole different thing... :fishpalm:

 

And maybe nested quoting would have shown I wasn't talking to you?

 

You're damned right I'm salty, because I have to play 30% more games with my USN CVs to get the same progression as IJN. Imagine having your tax rate raised to 33% just because F- you thats why

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And maybe nested quoting would have shown I wasn't talking to you?

 

You're damned right I'm salty, because I have to play 30% more games with my USN CVs to get the same progression as IJN. Imagine having your tax rate raised to 33% just because F- you thats why

 

Playing with a focus on getting to higher tiers.

No. 1 self-created issue of most players in f2p titles.

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lost a torp team on ess CV but got a bomber got the CPT lvl 15 + to bomber and fighters by 1

1 fighter 1 torp 3 bombers

 

would be freaking if i didt check what was comming out that the group of 7 drop 10K DMG bombs each i have 3 sqs of them 

 

Quoteing from someone: " there still op just in diff way"

 

I LOVE IT i can kill own and poeple and shut up about nuke torping lol

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