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USS South Dakota (BB-57)

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Because this is the battleship I'm actually quite eager to see in the USN line, I'll just badpost and I'll go back to my old way of badposting.

 

I PRESENT TO YOU THE SOUTH DAKOTA.

 

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Its... so... glorious.

 

There are actually two South Dakotas named for those that might not know: one was for the dreads and was likely to be a deviation of the US Big Five Standard Type battleships in 1921 and this thing. We'll talk about this. Just a note on what I just said however, there are two media hubbub for glorious battleships: the Big Seven was dubbed for the battleships that lugged around 16 inch guns after the ratification of the Washington Naval Treaty (you may have noticed in my badposts this keeps cropping up. This insanely long treaty with its sections and clauses which in tl;dr is basically "you can build ships but ONLY on the limits we had to argue about in these long articles, k?") which should be the three Colorados, the two Nagatos and the two Nelsons even if their guns were rather shit in handling and stuff but had lolrange because of elevation, the Big Five standards would be the Nevadas, Pennsylvanias, New Mexicos, Tennessees and the Colorados because if you compared them in length from bow to stern and from keel to deck, the hulls were practically parallel to each other hence the "standard". Damn Mary Sues. Although to be fair, even a Mary Sue can be a complete evil and sadistic bitch if pushed too far.

 

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For a fast battleship, she's actually a bit pudgy than the norm.

 

As the North Carolinas were actually prepared as the first deviation in the 15 year gap of shipbuilding, in 1937 they wanted a second batch of NoCals but the CNO (Chief of Naval Ops) at the time wanted the new ships to be of an entirely new design as well as fast. This presented them with a bit more because as with cruisers, the most hard hit of them all to the point it was called a 'holiday' was on how to battleship like a boss but this was done in order to remove potential outpimping arms race (suure tell that to the Japanese and their super sekrit Yamato). Give em something and what they got was an interesting design study which was, in a sense, a compact yet thicker compartmentalized hull with a rather small superstructure in the 1939 year... and a good time too as the war kicked off when Hitler steamrolled to Poland and this meant the "escalation clause" in which if any signatory or country violated the treaty and its amendments, they can up the anti as war was looming. 

 

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South Dakota had an insane relative armor of 18 inches as the belt was 12.5 inches and another 6 inch plate behind it because glorious protection of hull with really tough 11 inch bulkheads to boot, 18 inches of turret, 16 inches of conning tower and 6 inches of deck. Holy Mother of God, that glorious relative armor thickness STOPPED a Colorado's 16 inch shell. Her offensive weaponry weren't slouches either as she had the improved versions of the 16 inch guns on the preceding North Carolina and was in triple mounts in the AB-X configuration (since when did you see a US post-dreadnought battleship with mor- oh wait... Montana), some 5 inch DP secondaries, a bunch of 40mm Bofors and a couple of Oerlikons. The pudgy like battleship could run at 27 knots which was reasonably fast for a battleship at the time and there were loads of crazy where her guns were also lobbing super-heavy rounds because freedom and democracy must lolpen any battleship armor, no exceptions.

 

She was intended to be a flagship so she had a lot more stuff chucked into her, had her fitting out in Philadelphia and eventually finished her shakedown to be commissioned to the Pacific. En route to her group, she struck coral which messed up her hull a bit, got her sent to Pearl Harbor for repairs which delayed her linkup with the Pacific units. You think this was the end of the strings of strange yet crazy incidents? You so funny.

 

In the papers, South Dakota didn't have a name when she was to have her news of glorious combat and so was dubbed "Battleship X" and "Old Nameless" so that it would add to the confusion of Japanese espionage so they won't find out about these ships. They already know about the carriers and the North Carolinas with their successors Iowas soon after, why not try to keep them guessing on the second iteration of battleship they made? Also, the name Battleship X makes you wonder if that battleship was actually incredibly solid... fortunately she lived up to that name.

 

2wp0bi0.jpgSoDak during the brawl at Santa Cruz: WE SHOULD ALL HAVE FLAK BURSTS! You get a flak burst, you get a flak burst, EVERYONE GET FLAK BURST!

 

The battleship's group was centered around a carrier task force because those floating flat tops with runways who have little weaponry to defend themselves need their prissy buts protected at all times who claim they are the shit because they can strike anywhere and anything whenever they please and its TF command will throw a hissy fit whenever its big burly battleship escorts try to surface action the carriers were the core capital ships in the emerging aspect of naval warfare while the battleships played a secondary role as capital ships, only getting into action when the enemy surface capital ships get all antsy and try to gun duel. She and her group were present during the battle in the Santa Cruz islands and she had suffered a hit at turret B which wounded her captain but all during that time, her AA gunners were crunching up shell after shell at the Japanese planes so hard that it was reported that the battleship scored about 26-28 plane shootdowns. Was also here that they found the 20mm Oerlikon was a potent close-in weapon mount. There was also a time when a sub tried to attack them and as she was maneuvering, collided with the destroyer Mahan, nearly totaling her so hard 'til the repair ship Vestal arrived and afterwards was rolling to Guadalcanal because Midway had the Japanese lose the Midway Four carriers. During the night skirmish, she unloaded at some ships when she was hit by volleys from Kirishima which beaded her. Some moron who did not know how to effectively damage control had a hand in the battleship's loss of power as the Japanese battleship unloaded on her as well as the other ships lobbing rounds at her with the crew losing all tactica control  and were severely disoriented because most of her stuff like radar scanners and antennae were hit and severely damaged until Washington came out of nowhere which the battleship lost all contact prior to being hailed at and blasted the shit out of Kirishima as she was still preoccupied in blasting SoDak, effectively killstealing like the scrub that she is totally assisting SoDak from not getting anymore than the few shells the enemy battleship unloaded although to be fair, as messed up she was from the whacking, she was still relatively intact and no really serious damages were reported. She blasted both Takaos and Kirishima as her hit confirmations in the course of that brawl, got sent home for an overhaul and along with her sister Alabama and a New Orleans cruiser, participated as an element of the British Home fleet as she skulked around the Norwegian coasts because of the Lonely Queen of the North Tirpitz looming over their heads despite the fact she did not leave port.

 

21mdnvc.jpgBecause GLORIOUS RELATIVE ARMOR THICKNESS!

 

After that attachment run, she went back to the Pacific where most of the rage inducing feats happened as a shore bombardier, task force firepower escort and one of the looming force of battleships still on station because somewhere out there in the deep blue sea, the Japanese still had operational battleships. During an operation on the Saipan campaign, several planes got through, and while the battleship and her colleagues shot down a few, she still got hit by a large bomb which had a hole on her deck, went back for refitting, and on an separate incident with a munitions ship had propellants go boom and turret 2 flooded which had the battleship refitted again. She served her remaining tenure as escort and bombardier until she was taken off commission in '47 and eventually scrapped. Two of her sisters still remain.

 

Seriously, what is up with her crazy accidents? Let us recount:

 

* struck a reef that delayed her linkup with her unit

* bomb on turret B which also wounded her commander

* got whacked by a WWI reformatted battleship in the night because of error and the fact her exterior was chucked so hard

* collided with a destroyer

* bomb on deck which made a large hole

* turret 2 magazine flooded because a charge somehow blew up and causing fires when loading rounds from a munitions ship

 

If it were anything, this ship has a bit of bad luck.

 

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Behold, Alabama.

 

In-game wise, I'm expecting South Dakota to be tier 9 alongside the Iowa, have the New Mexico level of "how the hell do you citadel this thing?!" armor because GLORIOUS RELATIVE ARMOR THICKNESS, questionable rudder speed, 33 second load time, slow turret traverse, same dispersion values of North Carolina, a high chance to burn than most battleships, and if given, good penetration values and shell speed.

 

Tier wise, I expect Alaska with her CA-2D upgrade at tier 7, the Lexington battlecruiser at tier 8, this ship at tier 9 and BB-65-2 at tier 10.

 

Derp.exe has stopped working.

 

 

Edited by EvyL

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I hope they use the USS Alabama instead. She was the one BB of that class that lost no personnel during the war. That and because I'm a die-hard Bama fan and my entire family comes from that wonderful state!

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If they nerf her reload time (say 32-34 seconds) she could be a convenient tier 8 USN BB premium, but the Devs will more likely have the Washington in as that.

 

In saying that, these ships are an interesting bridge between the evolution of the first and last of the "Fast Battleships" of the USN, being shorter and better armoured, almost a hybrid of the Standard Type Battleship and the Battlecruisers of WW1 (British definition being a ship with Cruiser speed, Cruiser armour and BB guns)

 

Great Work Evyl :) :)

 

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To be honest blitz, I find the South Dakota a better alternative than the Iowas. Additional weight for more speed feels wrong. She displaced at 35k tonnes and about 40k tonnes when full load.

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Personally, i think the South Dakota-class deserves to be put at tier IX. And why don't you do something about the 1920 South Dakota, Evy?

 

I need to find crunch for it Nguyen. It would have been the first 16 inchers than Colorado.

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To be honest blitz, I find the South Dakota a better alternative than the Iowas. Additional weight for more speed feels wrong. She displaced at 35k tonnes and about 40k tonnes when full load.

 

Yeah, they may do well at that tier, my only concern being that having played my NC for a little while, the Iowa and its speed would be what makes it so good as the tier 10 Yamato is a real pain for anyone but carriers and other Yamatos to deal with and that the only reason why the Iowa manages is because of its speed, like an Amagi at tier 9 in a sense

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To be honest blitz, I find the South Dakota a better alternative than the Iowas. Additional weight for more speed feels wrong. She displaced at 35k tonnes and about 40k tonnes when full load.

 

That's an idea. I'd get behind that. South Dakota at tier 9, put the Iowa at tier 10 (after some major buffing so it was durable and able to fight the Iowa unlike the Montana).

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That's an idea. I'd get behind that. South Dakota at tier 9, put the Iowa at tier 10 (after some major buffing so it was durable and able to fight the Iowa unlike the Montana).

 

To be fair, Montana was the pinnacle of all battleship thought that was planned so its still wrong to remove her and place Iowa there... even if she is Yamato's IRL counterpart (lol New Jersey being longer than her a bit).

 

There's still the BB-65-2 which is practically a "Super Iowa" during the Montana design studies to think of as well. Its somewhat strange they still kept North Carolina's guns on her though.

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She also had a 15 year old stow away during the Santa Cruz battle!!! LOL He manned a 40mm gun that shot down the highest score of the 26 planes shot down in one day. Still holds the record!!!!!

Edited by DennisJP

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