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USS Des Moines (CA-134)

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The last all-gun heavy cruiser the USN ever fielded and the lead sister of her class, one still remains as a museum unto this day. One thing is still insane about this ship and that is its incredibly absurd ergonomics.

 

I want the original, the surviving sister can go rest in her moorings.

 

I PRESENT TO YOU THE DES MOINES.

 

2co6gj4.jpgGlorious OP (for a time) heavy cruiser. Des Moines was nicknamed "Daisy Mae" by the sailers by lottery. Lolwut.

 

If the Pacific War was, for all intents and purposes, the proving grounds on how the cruisers were the most versatile surface warships stalking the seas, the design studies of the US Navy Design Bureau were already hellbent on how to effectively cruiser as they now had the experiences and practical know-hows on what a cruiser should be to the point it won't be funny when facing a heavy cruiser anymore. The slugfest at Tassafaronga had the embarrassing display of the New Orleans which were practically a facemelt of the Pensacola, Northampton and Portland into one weird ship, got three of them whacked so hard by being torpedoed the living hell out of which had one New Orleans cruiser completely losing her prow and most of the forward section short of turret A and the barbette holding that turret (no doubt certain people here will bulwark this fact that US cruisers are inferior and this is one of the few sounding things that early heavy cruisers were funny), coupling the notion the most solid state cruisers at the time, the Baltimores, did not even unload a round at a surface ship because they were stuck babysitting the poor defenseless floating runways filled with pilots and planes eager to make their enemy's day suck that were dominating the Pacific because carrier command would throw a hissy fit as to why they would stalk the waters when they can protect the glorious carriers that will lead them to victory they were primarily used for carrier escorts, AA screen duties, and shore bombardment for landings. Even the souped up Baltimore design the Oregon City got superseded when this ship came along, with all the lessons of the Pacific war incorporated on her and also made the Russians scared to the point they designed Project 66 "Moskva" just to kill this thing. And who wouldn't be scared when this heavy cruiser, practically the pinnacle of all US heavy cruiser thought, can unload rounds that can scare the living hell of anyone due to her autoloading works. And she was big, only the Alaska surpassed big for a cruiser (yes, Alaska for the Americans is a Large Cruiser. "Large Cruiser"). Oh did I forget to mention she and her sisters eventually had aircon?

 

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Some line drawing this turned out to be. Thanks a lot, navsource.

 

Des Moines has 6 inches of belt, about 3-4 inches of belt, 8 inches of turret, and 6 inches of conning tower with an offensive set of nine 8"/55 Mark 16's in three AB-X layout triple mount turrets with each of them having an autoloader per breech, twelve 5 inch DP guns which are the same ones used by battleship secondaries, some light cruisers secondaries and the base weapon for destroyers, the 40mm Bofors that were once common on most ships were replaced with a bigger revolver autoloading 76mm guns in pairs or quads by two dozens, and a bunch of Oerlikons and she could reach at about 33 knots which is considerably fast for her size. They also planned to change the seaplanes on her with early helos and had wanted to remove the two slingshots/catapults astern. The gun position near the prow was usually vacant as, in the USS Salem Naval Legends video, gets wet a lot and shooting while soaked in saltwater on your equally soaked AA gun isn't fun. Don't get me wrong, the 40mm Bofors served admirably but they needed a medium caliber AA gun that had a bigger boom and which the Bofors sadly didn't have due to a rather smaller charge on the round. Here comes the part where the DM gets even more scary as a surface combat ship: the autoloaders inside her turrets with each lining up the breech of a single 8 inch gun. Now these 8 inch guns were the final iteration of the 203's the US heavy cruisers lugged with, the final being the mark 16, and was 2 stage like most guns with the shell itself being shoved into the rammer first then the propellant which was in a metal case. Unlike some 203's which had powder bags in silk, this thing had a cartridge for hers which aids greatly in the autoloader mechanism so nothing gets snagged in the works. What also made the autoloader very impressive was that before being shoved into the breech, once the shell popped up into the autoloader slot, the mechanism would automatically set the fuze the moment the mechanism collected the round from the magazine conveyor belt... well there WAS an accident on her sister Newport News at number 2 turret where a round in the autoloader went boom because of faulty fuzing,

 

Here's a video on how to autoloader on one of Des Moines' sisters Salem which is now a museum along with that 76mm AA gun which conveniently is semi-autoloader.

 

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Hello, my name is Des Moines, and welcome to the Cold War where me and my sisters can potentially and repeatedly whack any surface ship in the water while laughing at enemy aircraft.

 

Too late to see the war but would have scared the Japanese right back out, she got commissioned in 1948 and was a poking icon in the US fleet just by simply being attached to wherever she was to link up with, had a swell time in Europe with the 6th and made important visits as well as carrying VIP's such as the old Shah of Iran. She got decommissioned and sent to the Naval Reserve because of silly reasons in the 80's like "bro, installing new stuff onto this cruiser has a res burn equal to that of an Iowa. She doesn't have enough deck space for Harpoons and Tomahawks~" (right and after all four Iowas got retro'd they turned museum in ten years but not after again scaring the hell out of Soviet Russia. The DM could theoretically still roll likely until today if they retrofittd and kept her guns but noo, very bureaucracy) and at 2007-2008 she was scrapped. Welp.

 

In-game wise, the Des Moines is practically unrivaled in rate of fire due owing to her historical aspect that she could unload rounds at a blistering pace and her AA suite which, with the proper upgrades, can have her with an 8.2 km AA bubble. Her arc leaves something to be desired but if anyone had fielded the Baltimore would probably know of the high arcs the US cruisers had and can subsequently adapt to DM. Due to her arc which can be a hassle when you really REALLY need to slot that sorry ass destroyer as fast as you can but she is, and still likely is, the ultimate arsonist in tier 10 and if position is up there, can just go "haha you're on fire again and again" on Yamato (there was someone who whined about this back in CBT that DM burns everything in her warpath). Some will abhor her and her cruiser colleagues because they're 'inferior' to other nations due to this shell arc with the slower speed as she can't perform comparatively to her other national colleagues despite some of those people might not really even touched the helm of one and just relying on number parameter crunch alone.

 

Its not like Des Moines in the hands of a seasoned player is potential murder anyway.

 

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Edited by EvyL

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Funnily enough, as much as I would kill for torpedoes when playing USN cruisers, they always have better gun firing angles, allowing them to stay angled and keep nearly all guns on target whether you're attacking or defending. Even the Pepsicola with its paper armor is bearable compared to the German tissue paper cruisers.

 

Looking foward to plaything this awesome ship (when I get to tier 10 eventually) :P Great work Evyl

 

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Isn't like Des Moines are "bad", is just because Zao and Hindenburg can do much better than her in the current meta... the whole flavors that favoring flat-trajectory and accurate guns, the game itself already rewarded these such type of fights.

 

The biggest issue is how WG poorly balancing tier 10, everyone just fear from dying, no one willing to push, Des Moines have to relying on her teams to do effectively, Zao and Hindenburg has much more impact to the game (because hard-hitting guns and torpedoes, blah blah). They can kite enemy ships without getting themself kill (unless players make mistake).

 

"Brawling", now this part is where D.M really shine her fast-firing guns can trump over Zao and Hindenburg (especially for Zao, you squishy stay out), but as i stated above how tier 10 look like... NO body (or a few) willing to "brawling" because players just scare from dying. This is why people don't like DM, she just "inferior" than Z and H in this kind of situations, the whole "long-range sniping trickshot fests" on tier 10... the last thing is the plunging-fire mechanics need to improve, so USN "super-heavy" shells will less auto-bounce against deck armor, allowing them can citadel better via deck armor penetration.

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Question: do you even own a Des Moines to reinforce your statement that it is 'inferior' or any of her tier 10 colleagues? Because what you are saying is just outright bias against the US in general, likely without even experiencing their high tier ergonomics.

 

If any,having the Cleveland should already prepare you for what comes after on what the ergonomics and gunnery are going to be in the future tiers but I don't see you complaining about the Cleveland being inferior and its still popular for players. Even the Pensacola could theoretically outgun Myoko in a gun duel alone despite the questionable armor so a skilled player handling the US cruisers should have relatively little issues in adjusting to the gunnery of Des Moines.

 

I still believe she's still quite in-line with her colleagues, all with her strengths and weaknesses but I doubt many will constantly revile her as 'inferior'

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Question: do you even own a Des Moines to reinforce your statement that it is 'inferior' or any of her tier 10 colleagues? Because what you are saying is just outright bias against the US in general, likely without even experiencing their high tier ergonomics.

 

If any,having the Cleveland should already prepare you for what comes after on what the ergonomics and gunnery are going to be in the future tiers but I don't see you complaining about the Cleveland being inferior and its still popular for players. Even the Pensacola could theoretically outgun Myoko in a gun duel alone despite the questionable armor so a skilled player handling the US cruisers should have relatively little issues in adjusting to the gunnery of Des Moines.

 

I still believe she's still quite in-line with her colleagues, all with her strengths and weaknesses but I doubt many will constantly revile her as 'inferior'

 

in a 1 v 1 battle, its a closer match than you think between the Myoko and Pepsicola

 

Reasons being that the Myoko has to expose its juicy sides to get its full 10 rounds off, and its turrets traverse much slower. Her torpedoes having only a rearward facing launch arc are next to useless unless in a full retreat. While the Pepsicola has poor armor, as long as the Myoko doesn't pen the bow or stern at the right angle, the Pepsi can angle itself and fire more rounds off too, and not get distracted by things like having to launch torpedoes

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Did this game was suppose against US bias?

 

I don't own her on this acc, but a friend of mine allowing me to use his acc to testing various stuffs, currently try to figured out how to use D.M effectively (brawling mostly without getting caught by mistake) before i planning to grind US lines in the future... my apologize if i against "US bias", am not say she out-right inferior (i put these between the inferior, doesn't mean she is completely inferior). Des Moines really struggle against long-range fights, the high-tier is reward for those kind of fights, yes i get the part brawling and high reward stuffs, but you don't get a single reward if you sunk (not to mention high repair fee), she is very... unique, D.M have relying on her team (teamwork included) to maximize her true potentials, when i say Zao and Hindy can do better because they were benefit from what the high-tier rewarding. Des Moines only shine when some idiotic cruisers willing to knife-fighting against her.

 

A very difficult ship to play after 10 battles (play her on my friend testing acc), floaty trajectory mean you need a bigger lead and D.M herself very situational, the game-play wise punishing teamwork badly, if your team can't push then D.M is useless.

 

Please don't get me wrong.

EDIT: I don't complain about Cleveland because she were fought in a different type of battles, i still see non-Cleveland cruisers players try brawling with another Cleveland and get himself kill, they blame she is so OP despite she were horribly nerfed by a lot.

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Just a bit, dead. I just need to unload this out of my chest. 

 

I'm going to assume that you just simply jumped into DM without even clawing your way from Cleveland upward, and its still kinda biased if you would claim that she's still inferior even in a way when most ships here are usually in-line, what more on top tier. Remember in the Kirov cruiser thread? The Baltimore thread? Yeaah... I'm not gonna buy that bit about not getting you wrong in your prejudice against the US ships. DM has her quirks and that, by no means, does not make her very subpar in combat meta as there are a few that make her work in here and other clusters.

 

Okay done.

 

For the ship herself, I would really like to know how they would execute manual control on turret and gun operation seeing as if ANYTHING goes wrong with the autoloader so long as its not the munition setting off due to fuze derp (lol Newport News), there should have been plan B to make the guns active and armed. 

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... I have to say that i have gone to far, am start to sound like a jerk... my apology, sorry for my hatred attitude towards to USN ships, it was came from after WG nerfed USN lines to oblivion (expect WG did spare their DD for a new life), it giving me the feeling like... USN aren't so great at this moment, neither benefit from the current meta (am not supporting USN>IJN, i care about balance, but the national-flavors balance...) and am start to act against them.

 

Am very sorry for turning your every ship knowledge threads into a drama zone, i will shut my mouth off, never post stuffs again from now on and start to rethink what i commented, i don't want to lose people respects. Once i rethink i will start do something positive to contribute for the community.

 

EDIT: @Haku i aware USN DD are very competitive after some buffs, but look on what WG change US CV config load-out, they fix the only thing that make US CV playable... even CA are half-death after Cleveland. US BB as i heard after Colorado, NC is overrated.

 

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... I have to say that i have gone to far, am start to sound like a jerk... my apology, sorry for my hatred attitude towards to USN ships, it was came from after WG nerfed USN lines to oblivion (expect WG did spare their DD for a new life), it giving me the feeling like... USN aren't so great at this moment, neither benefit from the current meta (am not supporting USN>IJN, i care about balance, but the national-flavors balance...) and am start to act against them.

 

Am very sorry for turning your every ship knowledge threads into a drama zone, i will shut my mouth off, never post stuffs again from now on and start to rethink what i commented, i don't want to lose people respects. Once i rethink i will start do something positive to contribute for the community.

 

EDIT: @Haku i aware USN DD are very competitive after some buffs, but look on what WG change US CV config load-out, they fix the only thing that make US CV playable... even CA are half-death after Cleveland. US BB as i heard after Colorado, NC is overrated.

 

 

Drama be damned. Post whatever the world you want.

 

I talk about ships because I actually really like em, no holds barred on that. Except for the gameplay wise section on these as those things are usually speculation on my part. Only bit I found off putting is you... literally... well... saying ships being "bad" when they are usually in-line with their colleagues. Even the most questionable ship can surprisingly have good ergonomics. Take into example the weird Town light cruisers: from what I've heard the British sailors didn't like them that much but they managed to make her work. I'm sorry as for being agitated as well since its getting just off to keep reading you saying "ship is bad than x" bits.

 

 

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*up close to full HP Amagi in cyclone* friend: man only if you had torps. *proceeds to autoload democracy into the Amagi's citadel* me: what about torpedoes?

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