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the Kirov cruiser

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I'll keep to the bare bits as I usually badpost.

 

Dear google, I wanted to find pictures for the Project 26 Kirov cruisers, not the flippin Kirov missile battlecruiser.

 

I PRESENT TO YOU THE KIROV.

 

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Kirov reporti- wait, wrong Kirov!

 

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... there we go!

 

Question: what cruiser is this? Light or heavy? Because that armor's banking on a light cruiser despite having an offensive armament an inch greater than a contemporary light cruiser.

 

Starting in the bits of Interwar until World War 2, Russia's navy was, for a lack of a proper word, really outdated and if given enough time, utter shit, due to the October Revolution which made dirty communists rise to power eventually by bribing ol' Grim with the souls of the Romanov family was a glorious day for Politburo and newly formed Soviet Russia from filthy kulaks so they went to the Italian company and shipbuilder Ansaldo for consultations and this was the very same company that gave the Russians plans for the U.P.41 Littorio deviation design as Italians were reasonable enough to be consulted unlike those prissy guys sipping tea and cleaning their monocles on the other side of the lake who weren't that keen in sharing ship concepts but made some of the most crazy ship designs. So Ansaldo gave them a cruiser plan based on the Raimondo Montecuccoli, one of their own Condottieri class (if given the choice, I'd stay away from badposting the Condottieri because of the lengthy names they have. Oh and a condottieri is a military commander during Renaissance Italy). What was the eventual result was the beginning of the Project 26 plan as the Italians assured that these ship could have a max of 37 knots IF they stayed well below the 7300 long tonnes limit, the successor ships sometimes credit these cruisers as the Maxim Gorky. I'll also take this time to express my opinion on how strange the Russians are with experimental stuff as their vehicles and tanks had the early designation of "A" and later "Object/Objekt" and their ships having the "Project/Projekt" on their designation.

 

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For an Italian base cruiser in Russian builds, its appearance doesn't look bad.

 

There were six of these things in pairs: the Project 26, Project 26bis and Project 26bis2. Kirov and Voroshilov were the original Project 26, Maxim Gorky and Molotov of the "phase 1 improvement" 26bis, and finally Kaganovich and Kalinin were 26bis2. The Kirov had 2 inches of belt, deck, turret and barbette and about 6 inches of conning tower coupled with an offensive armament of nine 7.1 inch guns in three triple mount turrets, several 45mm AA guns and 12.7 DShK HMG's for the AA suite which kinda varied for each ship, three pairs of 100mm DP guns, two triple mount torpedo tubes and the auxiliary weapons aboard had a load of mines and depth charges along with one pair of seaplanes.As tested during shakedown, the Kirovs could run at about 36 knots without much of a glaring eyeball staring at them. About her triple mount turrets though... well the designer thought it was an absolutely brilliant idea to cram three rather large guns in a tiny and cramped turret to let it keep the weight but it was that cramped that the nominal test of the gun which fired 5 rounds per minute was severely reduced... there's a reason why the dual mount is still a brilliant idea... but all wasn't really that glaring as the 7.1 inch gun, with the proper charge and shell, could unload its shell at about 38km.

 

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I heard you liek 26bis Maxim Gorky

 

Having that prospect on paper is one thing, building the thing was another, and that is what exactly happened to the Kirovs. The Italian layout conflicted with the Russian way on how to ship so had a load of delays, the improved engines when they requisitioned from the Italians were bigger despite having more kick and posed a bit of problem for the smaller hulls as 26bis and 26bis2 were 'slightly' larger with the same Kirov layout albeit with differing AA suites per ship. All six survived the war and got scrapped eventually.

 

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In-game wise, I'm expecting the Kirov to have a surprising gun handling like with their destroyers that can lolpen light cruiser with relative ease and with good range to offset her thin armor. In a sense she'll be a 'conventional' Nurnberg only without the glorious gun load time the German cruiser has.

 

EDIT: if the sneak peek is a prospect to go with, then the Project 66 cruiser will be officially named Moskva

 

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When I saw this topic Evyl, I was instantly transported back in time to 1988. I was stationed on the USS Sea Devil (SSN-664) then and we were transiting through the North Sea off the coast of Norway after a week long liberty port in Bremerhaven, West Germany (the wall hadn't fallen yet). When a Kirov class cruiser came within 500 feet of our boat. Talk about excitement! We even made tube 1 ready in all respects except opening the outter-door for a snap shot.

 

This is what we were seeing along side of us:

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When the ship decided to leave it when flank bell leaving a massive wake that washed over our entire hull and the rooster tail soaked our lookout, OOD, and XO who were all up in the flying bridge at the time! Some good times then... :)

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A ship with big guns (bigger than light cruiser 6" guns) and thin light cruiser armor - sounds similar to the Pensacola at tier 7, but since she has torpedoes and the Russians lack heavy cruisers, potentially tier 8?

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A ship with big guns (bigger than light cruiser 6" guns) and thin light cruiser armor - sounds similar to the Pensacola at tier 7, but since she has torpedoes and the Russians lack heavy cruisers, potentially tier 8?

 

Kirov probably will be at tier 5, her 180mm guns suffered from low rate of fire and poor dispersion, her 50mm armor just fragile as Koenisberg. I doubt RN Hawkins-class will be tier 5 as well.

 

For tier 6, Kirov sub-classes could work such as project 26bis and project 26bis 2 they're improved version of previous Kirov, possible could fit at tier 6.

Tier 7... well digging some old archives and a bunch of paper projects, let WG do their jobs.

Tier 8 WG haven't yet decide to split CA/CL lines so we might see Sverdlov light-cruiser (M.K already in-game as premium).

Tier 9 and 10: Project 25 and 66 respectively. (once these ships release...Baltimore and DM are cease to exist cause Pr.25 and 66 meant to superior and outclass them...RIP) :teethhappy:

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A ship with big guns (bigger than light cruiser 6" guns) and thin light cruiser armor - sounds similar to the Pensacola at tier 7, but since she has torpedoes and the Russians lack heavy cruisers, potentially tier 8?

 

She'll burn at tier 8, Blitz. I can assure that much because everything will literally lolpen the ship. She's a good candidate for tier 7 and if the torps from Mikhail Kutuzov and the Russian destroyers are there, she'll have about 8km of em.

 

Although since this is the Kirov, assume 26bis and 26bis2 to be included as upgrades for the cruiser as they are virtually the same class, albeit with differing values. Moskva is going to be insane, I guarantee it.

 

 

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Comrades Stalin and his Pr.66 "Moskva" pet projects, blah blah blah!

 

Pr.66 were designed to escort Stalingrad-class battlecruisers and were built to counter against USN Des Moines featuring 220mm guns with heavier shells (176 kg), 985 mps shell velocity and 5.8 rpm, i can guarantee Pr.66 will be flat-out better than Zao, Hindenburg because her guns power advantages, such accurate guns and stronk Stalinium shells, my best guess Des Moines will start digging her graves soon because these 3 ships can do much better than her... enjoy being cease to exist DM. :teethhappy:

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Pr.66 were designed to escort Stalingrad-class battlecruisers and were built to counter against USN Des Moines featuring 220mm guns with heavier shells (176 kg), 985 mps shell velocity and 5.8 rpm, i can guarantee Pr.66 will be flat-out better than Zao, Hindenburg because her guns power advantages, such accurate guns and stronk Stalinium shells, my best guess Des Moines will start digging her graves soon because these 3 ships can do much better than her... enjoy being cease to exist DM. :teethhappy:

 

The way things are going for the USN line of ships, one would conclude WG is pushing the US ships into obscurity in one form or another.

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The way things are going for the USN line of ships, one would conclude WG is pushing the US ships into obscurity in one form or another.

 

we get a new ship, the USS Smith, hooray!

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