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Anniversary of the Attack on Pearl Harbor

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Today marks the day the First Air Fleet of Japan struck the US Pacific Fleet while it was at anchor in Hawaii. Simultaneously, other fleets struck out into Southeast Asia and at Hong Kong, landing Japanese troops and beginning Japan's invasion of the region, as well as securing Japanese naval dominance for the next several months.

 

All six of Japan's operational fleet carriers (1st Carrier Division, 2nd Carrier Division, 5th Carrier Division), escorted by a battleship division (3rd Battleship Division - Hiei and Kirishima), a cruiser division (8th Cruiser Division - Tone and Chikuma), and assorted launched two waves of air strikes at the docked American fleet at Pearl Harbor. The 8 battleships (Arizona, California, Maryland, Nevada, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and West Virginia) moored at Battleship Row bore the brunt of the assault - all would be sunk by the end of the day, though only Arizona would be a permanent loss. As an aside, the ninth battleship of the Pacific Fleet that had the good fortune to be away from Pearl Harbor during the attack was the Colorado, who was being overhauled on the mainland. The worst American loss was the destruction of Arizona, who suffered a dive-bomb hit at 8.06am that detonated her forward magazines. Over half the American lives lost at Pearl Harbor occurred when she blew up, and Arizona's wreck remains at Pearl Harbor to this day as a memorial to that attack.

 

Fifteen Medals of Honor were awarded at Pearl Harbor, ten of which were posthumous. Of note were those awarded to Rear-Admiral Isaac Kidd and Captain Franklin Van Valkenburgh (both on Arizona), as well as Captain Mervyn Sharp Bannion (who commanded West Virginia). Admiral Kidd and Captain Valkenburgh fought their ship from the bridge until Arizona blew up, while Bannion was mortally wounded by shrapnel but refused to be evacuated, fighting his ship until he succumbed to his wounds. The first African-American to be awarded the Navy Cross, Doris Miller, won his medal at Pearl Harbor as well. A messman aboard West Virginia, Miller found his duty station destroyed during the attack, but reported for for further orders. He assisted first in moving the wounded Captain Bannion, and then, with no training whatsoever, manned a machine-gun and fired it until ordered to abandon ship. 

 

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Alright, it seems that my words before were sort of offensive so I would rephrase them.

 

The Attack on Pearl Harbor could've dealt more damage to the American war effort if the following things were done:

- Make sure that the declaration of war was not late

- Wait until the Arrival of the American Aircraft carriers

- Destruction of shipyard facilities in Pearl Harbor

 

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This forum is for historical discussion - The Attack on Pearl Harbor is a significant event that marked the entry of the United States into the Pacific War, as well as a naval engagement that signalled a marked shift in naval strike doctrine.

 

Please keep political discussion of "atrocities" or whether or not the attack was "right" out of it, unless in the context of historical analysis. Discussion is to be dispassionate and academic.

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It was a sad day when that happened... loss of lives from both sides and civilians as well... War is never a pretty thing but it happens and it's the fighting men who can take up the challenge God knows I can't that's why I respect them but I detest war... I joined a FB page of the US Veterans Association and word is that things are under way in Honolulu to prepare for this occasion... Waiting for that coverage...

 

Here's a link on the matter of preparations...

http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2015/11/30/navy-in-hawaii-readies-to-remember-pearl-harbor-and-honor-the-humble-heroes-of-world-war-ii/

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A terrible day for sure and the loss of lives almost inconceivable at that time. However, I'll like to point out that USS Pennsylvania (BB-38) was not moored at battleship row. She was in dry dock at the time of the attack. She suffered minor damage during the air raid. Though damaged, she was operational not long after the attack departing Pearl (Dec 20) for the mainland for repairs from damage suffered by a single bomb hit and collateral damage from one of the 2 destroyers forward of her in the dry dock.

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Could have been worse for the US, Japan could have left Pearl Harbour alone and just taken the Philippines making the US invoke 'War plan Orange' this would have been a much bigger disaster with a likely hood of 10x the losses of life for the USN.

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Would be cool to have an event/mission/challenge around this (hint WG hint)

 

EU server has this event in recent weekends:

Avenge Pearl Habour: Destroy 4 JP ships in any US ship in 1 battle, tier restriction to 4 and above. And vice versa for the JP side, destroy 4 US ships.

 

Can't recall the mission's rewards though.


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Could have been worse for the US, Japan could have left Pearl Harbour alone and just taken the Philippines making the US invoke 'War plan Orange' this would have been a much bigger disaster with a likely hood of 10x the losses of life for the USN.

 

I must not be seeing something in this statement... Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Japanese get the Philippines?... I remember my aunts and uncles telling me grandpa's war stories and how they fought in Guerrilla warfare alongside American commandos and agents (showed me a few pictures too)... He had silly stories too on how his group managed to pilfer crates of Japanese grenades and Medical supplies from a truck in Samar... :teethhappy: 

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Is that debate whether wave 3 should be sent to strike still viable here?

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I must not be seeing something in this statement... Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the Japanese get the Philippines?... I remember my aunts and uncles telling me grandpa's war stories and how they fought in Guerrilla warfare alongside American commandos and agents (showed me a few pictures too)... He had silly stories too on how his group managed to pilfer crates of Japanese grenades and Medical supplies from a truck in Samar... :teethhappy: 

 

That's not what he saying. If Imperial Japan had not attacked Pearl leaving the US alone, taking the island countries they invaded after Pearl Harbor, the US would have enacted a considerably flawed plan, Plan Orange. Such a plan may have resulted in the complete destruction of the US Pacific Fleet leaving the entire Pacific Ocean open to subjugation.

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That's not what he saying. If Imperial Japan had not attacked Pearl leaving the US alone, taking the island countries they invaded after Pearl Harbor, the US would have enacted a considerably flawed plan, Plan Orange. Such a plan may have resulted in the complete destruction of the US Pacific Fleet leaving the entire Pacific Ocean open to subjugation.

 

if IJN don't waste ACE like that, and completely overtake China, IJN will have enough resources to build more carriers and battleships, while maintaining all their ship working, with a better radar/gun develop rate that maybe can match USN. and USN will have a hard time to fight with IJN, or even total destruction

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Is that debate whether wave 3 should be sent to strike still viable here?

 

Not sure about being allowed to discuss, but Admiral Nagumo I hear made his decision based of his textbook approach to Japanese Carrier Doctrine and his dilemma was based off several factors:

  • His fleets escorts (DD's especially) were low on fuel and would've run out of fuel if they stayed any longer to launch a third strike, leaving the fleet vulnerable to attack.
  • The threat from USN subs (given how well they did in WW2) was not to be underestimated, despite their dodgy torps at the wars begining. SInce they were now at war, the danger was ever present
  • Since the USN Carriers were not there at Pearl, it was prudent to assume the US fleet was a credible threat to the Japanese who would have had limited planes to defend with and even less from losses incurred in a third strike.
  • A third strike would have lost the element of surprise like the 2nd one and resulted in more losses, given the slow replacement rate of IJN airmen, it would have been a problematic loss.

 

the Question would always remain on the 3rd Strike, but if say given enough fuel and supplies, what if the IJN commited to surface action to destroy the remaining USN vessels at Pearl (and perhaps catch the carriers as they docked?)

 

 

 

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