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imperator nikolai I impervious to low caliber HE shell?

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so i met this imperator nikolai on my first match with my tier 4 russian dd Izyaslav. i'm trying to harass it with my HE since its too dangerous to close it to do a torpedo run because of a cruiser is supporting it, i notice most of my shell are not doing any damage at all, i try to change places to shot but most i can only do up to 200+ damage but no more than 300 damage inf few parts of the ship. i only manage to sink it with pure fire damage because i got luck enough to set it on fire multiple time and with the help of my battleship team mates.  is there something special with this ship why its almost impervious to low caliber HE shell compare to other dreadnought class battleship?

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Well all i can say since only had 1 game in it it has stalinium on it so its so stronk . Did u try use Ap

If using a HE is not even doing any damage and using AP shells with a DD to go against a BB O.o well good luck to ya.

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If using a HE is not even doing any damage and using AP shells with a DD to go against a BB O.o well good luck to ya.

 

^this. there's no point to use AP against BB. i don't even use them against ca. maybe they can be used against german cruiser but against other target HE is still way better.

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^this. there's no point to use AP against BB. i don't even use them against ca. maybe they can be used against german cruiser but against other target HE is still way better.

 

Switch to AP and aim at the turrets for module damage - or just leave that battle alone until the CA/CL is removed for you and come back to it?

 

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When firing HE at BBs, one should always aim for the superstructure as that's where HE shells can damage it. Lobbing low caliber HE shells at the belt will always result in zero damage.

 

Unfortunately, the Imperator has almost no superstructure you can hit. So where else can your HE shell penetrate? Well, the deck is only 35 mm, but your 102 mm HE is has really poor penetration it probably can't even penetrate that. The thinnest armor on that battleship is the forecastle and stern, so you could try shooting those. If not, just AP them (definitely has enough pen for those bits unless at max range). Other than that, torps is your only chance.

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^this. there's no point to use AP against BB. i don't even use them against ca. maybe they can be used against german cruiser but against other target HE is still way better.

 

If you read my sentence again you could know what i mean.:great:

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HE do no damage when facing NBA (lol, wut autocorrect, BBs!) with good armour. Tats why US mid tier BBs are quite OP against cruiser because HE can't effective damage them (heavy armoured superstructure and midsection)

 

Everytime I rain HE with Cleveland shells do mk damage. And that's the same reason for you. And that's totally logical

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HE do no damage when facing NBA (lol, wut autocorrect, BBs!) with good armour. Tats why US mid tier BBs are quite OP against cruiser because HE can't effective damage them (heavy armoured superstructure and midsection)

 

Everytime I rain HE with Cleveland shells do mk damage. And that's the same reason for you. And that's totally logical

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When firing HE at BBs, one should always aim for the superstructure as that's where HE shells can damage it. Lobbing low caliber HE shells at the belt will always result in zero damage.

 

Unfortunately, the Imperator has almost no superstructure you can hit. So where else can your HE shell penetrate? Well, the deck is only 35 mm, but your 102 mm HE is has really poor penetration it probably can't even penetrate that. The thinnest armor on that battleship is the forecastle and stern, so you could try shooting those. If not, just AP them (definitely has enough pen for those bits unless at max range). Other than that, torps is your only chance.

 

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Switch to AP and aim at the turrets for module damage - or just leave that battle alone until the CA/CL is removed for you and come back to it?

 

 

When firing HE at BBs, one should always aim for the superstructure as that's where HE shells can damage it. Lobbing low caliber HE shells at the belt will always result in zero damage.

 

Unfortunately, the Imperator has almost no superstructure you can hit. So where else can your HE shell penetrate? Well, the deck is only 35 mm, but your 102 mm HE is has really poor penetration it probably can't even penetrate that. The thinnest armor on that battleship is the forecastle and stern, so you could try shooting those. If not, just AP them (definitely has enough pen for those bits unless at max range). Other than that, torps is your only chance.

 

i will try AP next time i see that ship.  that time i was nothing better to do because the imperator is the only target while his support ships is behind an islands. i'm trying to support my too bb which in the end was taken out by the imperator.

 

HE do no damage when facing NBA (lol, wut autocorrect, BBs!) with good armour. Tats why US mid tier BBs are quite OP against cruiser because HE can't effective damage them (heavy armoured superstructure and midsection)

 

Everytime I rain HE with Cleveland shells do mk damage. And that's the same reason for you. And that's totally logical

 

i have no problem with USN BB. they take lots of damage from HE shot by cruiser or even DD. (reason i have to halt my advance on USN BB tech three). its just like what amade said, this ship has almost no superstructure to be hit by HE shell.  with only few deck spaces to land HE. 
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I met one while using Clemson. Managed to score about 600~800 damage per salvo. Maybe i kept my distance with him far enough (9~10 km) i could hit him with plunging fire, hitting him on his wooden deck.

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I met one while using a Clemson. Managed to score about 600~800 damage per salvo. Maybe i kept my distance with him far enough (9~10 km) i could hit him with plunging fire, hitting him on his wooden deck.

 

yeah, maybe i was too close when i was attacking her. during that time i was hesitating whether i will do a torpedo run or just stay at safe distance and just do harassment fire.

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yeah, maybe i was too close when i was attacking her. during that time i was hesitating whether i will do a torpedo run or just stay at safe distance and just do harassment fire.

 

Yeah, because after getting close to him (around 6~7 km) my fire became less effective.

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i will try AP next time i see that ship.  that time i was nothing better to do because the imperator is the only target while his support ships is behind an islands. i'm trying to support my too bb which in the end was taken out by the imperator.

 

 

i have no problem with USN BB. they take lots of damage from HE shot by cruiser or even DD. (reason i have to halt my advance on USN BB tech three). its just like what amade said, this ship has almost no superstructure to be hit by HE shell.  with only few deck spaces to land HE. 

 

maybe because USN DD shells flies higher and do damages on the deck ?

and.... early SN DD shell sucks :izmena:

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DD Captains are so fixated on "I must do damage". There is good reason your invisible until 5kms or so in range, you should focus on just scouting a bb, and harassing it with torps if you have them.

Then your team with bigger guns will help you.

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DD Captains are so fixated on "I must do damage". There is good reason your invisible until 5kms or so in range, you should focus on just scouting a bb, and harassing it with torps if you have them.

Then your team with bigger guns will help you.

 

i do it if there are only bb around but that battle group has 1 cruiser and 3 bb. its not advisable to do 3km torpedo run. if its USN maybe its do-able but that 3km is too short. 

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DD Captains are so fixated on "I must do damage". There is good reason your invisible until 5kms or so in range, you should focus on just scouting a bb, and harassing it with torps if you have them.

Then your team with bigger guns will help you.

 

The I must do damage concept cause by the score award system

BB player sit at back doing nothing but snipe, gets MVP

DD plays hard to capture, to S&D, to kill CV, to kill spot, not even a good score at the end.

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Maybe it's intended as a feature to attract purchases?

 

Would make a nice change from the USN BBs that take absurd amounts of damage from low calibre HE rounds...I think WG's damage model/collision integrity is pants for some ships.

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Maybe it's intended as a feature to attract purchases?

 

Would make a nice change from the USN BBs that take absurd amounts of damage from low calibre HE rounds...I think WG's damage model/collision integrity is pants for some ships.

 

main reason why i halt playing USN bb. their steel just easily melt to HE fires.

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