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[Poll]KMS Bismarck vs HMS King George V

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First of all. The purpose of this topic is for me to know which navy is better. The Kriegsmarine or the Royal Navy? So I thought of a simple and easier way for me to know. I decided to compare each nation's best warship.

Which would win in a 1v1 battle? KMS Bismarck or HMS King George V? The answer shall decided which navy is better as well. Kriegsmarine or the Royal Navy?

I'm going to do the comparison now.

  Length Beam Draught Displacement Machinery/Propulsion Speed Range Armaments
Bismarck 825 ft. 120 ft. 35 ft. 50, 900 tons 12x high pressure steam heated boilers, 3x shafts, geared turbines 35 mph 15, 000 km 8x15in main guns, 12x6 in guns, 16x105 guns, 16x37 cannons, 12x20 mm AA cannons, 8x20 mm AA machine guns
King George V 745 ft. 103 ft. 35 ft. 42, 200 tons 8x three drum small tube boilers with super heaters, 4x single reduction geared turbines, 4x three bladed propellers 35 mph 10, 000 km 10x14 in guns, 16x6 in guns, 64x40mm pom poms
Winner Bismarck Bismarck Tie Bismarck tie tie Bismarck Bismarck


Time to know which warship is better.

  Guns Armor Anti-ship guns AA guns
Bismarck Win Win Win Lose
King George V Lose Lose Lose Win


And there we have it, guys. Bismarck is better than King George V. But take note that this comparison and result is based on what I know. What is more important to me is your feedback. So which warship do you think is better?

 

 

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Thing is, while individual Kriegsmarine ships were often superior due to not being built within naval treaty (London and Washington) tonnage limits, numerically RN would have kicked their butts out of the water several times over in simple numerical superiority. The KM was a shadow of the Imperial German Navy of WW1 in terms of numerical strength and also lacked fleet sortie capability as their primary role was commerce raiding. They also lacked any carriers or specialised anti ship air attack methods until later in the war with glider/drone bombs.

 

In a 1 v 1, Bismark, with its superior gunnery would beat the King George V Class (the abysmal performance of Prince of Wales in the battle of Denmark straight with her faulty quad guns being a prime example). However later in the war when these issues with the guns were resolved the battle may have been more even. but bear in mind the KGV was still a partial compromise ship, due to treaty and budget constraints.

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Comparing the two ships is fine on paper, but IRL various factors such as crew training, morale, equipment maintenance, other arms and forces all come into play.

 

In game example; You can put a first time player in a tier 10 BB and a unicum in a tier 5 BB.  All likelihood, the tier5 would win.

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To be fair to the British they where trying to sticking to the 35,000tons limit (London naval treaty of 1936) which also limited them to 14in guns. The Bismarck on the other hand was not limited by this treaty.

KGV class was meant to carry 12x 14in gun (in 3 quad turrets), Her secondary are DP 16x 5.25in (secondary on Bismarck not being DP).

They are both good ships, I would not put either ahead of the other, would come down more to the captain, crew and some luck.

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Not this topic about who has better navy what on this and that. Honestly....

 

But muh stuffz is better than yours!

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Dear TC, you forgot one very important fact:
Mr. Krupp swore to God that the rate of cannons "Bismarck" will nemnovyshe 2 shots per minute!
And this is a very important fact! :)

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Dear TC, you forgot one very important fact:
Mr. Krupp swore to God that the rate of cannons "Bismarck" will nemnovyshe 2 shots per minute!
And this is a very important fact! :)

 

This fact is a historical consultant WG and moderator histori forums WG told me in Maxim Knyazev.
He is my friend. An expert on the history of the Kriegsmarine. Writer.

 

Sorry for the bad translation into English.
Google ....

Edited by Matsuo_Base

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Consider the KGV has smaller guns (360 compared to 381), she would fire faster. And one more thing, KGV has 10 of them while the Chancellor of Germany only has 8. KGV would likely to have better HP compared to Bissy. But any way, KGV and Bismarck will be at the same tier - tier VIII obviously. So WG will try to balance both of them. But in real life... These numbers above don't say anything. God decides who will win and we all know that KGV, along with Nelson-class, HMS Rodney sunk the Bismarck on May 1941.

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If I remember right, they did modify KGV class as they knew it was going to be out muscled. But with the plans drawn up to the treaty and time against them, there wasn't too much they could do or did.  Prince of Wales was the first battleship sunk by aircraft too, at sea and fully functional.

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Prince of Wales was the first battleship sunk by aircraft too, at sea and fully functional.

 

It is a tragedy of a series of mis-communication and intel.

 

It received false intel that a large Japanese Convoy is on the way, but little do they know what will be waiting them.

Also, the planned air cover is cancelled as the HMS Indomitable, which is originally escorting the Repulse and the POW is damaged and is repairing.

 

It's not that much of the POW's fault. It's true that it's AA could have done better, but little ship can survived an air attack without any assistance.

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You're friend is awesome, pal. I wish I have a friend like that. Although, my fellow warship nerd friends are mostly focused around the IJN, while I'm focused around IJN, KM, and RN.

I focus tester.I was in the office "Lesta" .I know a lot of developers of this amazing game. I have many friends there. :) I also study the history of the Imperial Japanese Navy. But I have a huge problem, to study Japanese in Russia is impossible. Where I live. I have to read Japanese documents and not others. Do not write the Japanese lie.

Consider the KGV has smaller guns (360 compared to 381), she would fire faster. And one more thing, KGV has 10 of them while the Chancellor of Germany only has 8. KGV would likely to have better HP compared to Bissy. But any way, KGV and Bismarck will be at the same tier - tier VIII obviously. So WG will try to balance both of them. But in real life... These numbers above don't say anything. God decides who will win and we all know that KGV, along with Nelson-class, HMS Rodney sunk the Bismarck on May 1941.

With all due respect to your point of view!
But I believe that the "Bismarck" sank by the Germans themselves.
I have reason to think so.

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I believe that the "Bismarck" sank by the Germans themselves.
I have reason to think so.

And i believe that if it was the German themselves who did, then it must had been the British who forced them to do so. So, who ever sunk the Bismarck, the British would always be the key factor.

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Comparing the two ships is fine on paper, but IRL various factors such as crew training, morale, equipment maintenance, other arms and forces all come into play.

 

In game example; You can put a first time player in a tier 10 BB and a unicum in a tier 5 BB.  All likelihood, the tier5 would win.

 

^ pretty much nails it

Also need to factor in technology too, and the fact these ships seldom worked alone which implies teamwork and other aspects.

I also find the whole comparison of navies rather silly- especially since by the end of the war, the US navy was operating upwards of 6600 ships at once. Compared to the fact that Germany had a really small fraction of that amount- paper analysis is rather dubious value.

 

To use a tank analogy, Germany's tanks were better than everyone else's and enjoyed a 10:1 (or greater) K:D ratio, however the allies were producing cheap tanks and far greater numbers, one at a time the German tanks were getting killed and couldn't be easily replaced. It seems the Germans took the same attitude with their ships- it didnt work for them there either :P

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In a 1 v 1, Bismark, with its superior gunnery would beat the King George V Class (the abysmal performance of Prince of Wales in the battle of Denmark straight with her faulty quad guns being a prime example). However later in the war when these issues with the guns were resolved the battle may have been more even. but bear in mind the KGV was still a partial compromise ship, due to treaty and budget constraints.

Lets be a little bit more factual here.

Define superior gunnery? if you mean accuracy, then both ships performed well. Bismarck struck Hood once (arguably up to three times but no evidence) and struck POW four times. POW struck Bismarck three times.

Factor in her emergency turn to avoid a sinking Hood, loading mechanism issues reducing her fire rate by 26% and that the Germans had the "weather gauge" (meaning the British ships were steaming into the waves and water was impacting their large range finders accuracy), and her "gunnery" performance was not inferior to Bismarcks by any means.

Also, the damage inflicted to Bismarck was worse than the damage inflicted to POW.

Again, how "poor" was the KGV in this comparison?

 

First of all. The purpose of this topic is for me to know which navy is better. The Kriegsmarine or the Royal Navy? So I thought of a simple and easier way for me to know. I decided to compare each nation's best warship.

Which would win in a 1v1 battle? KMS Bismarck or HMS King George V? The answer shall decided which navy is better as well. Kriegsmarine or the Royal Navy?

I'm going to do the comparison now.

  Length Beam Draught Displacement Machinery/Propulsion Speed Range Armaments
Bismarck 825 ft. 120 ft. 35 ft. 50, 900 tons 12x high pressure steam heated boilers, 3x shafts, geared turbines 35 mph 15, 000 km 8x15in main guns, 12x6 in guns, 16x105 guns, 16x37 cannons, 12x20 mm AA cannons, 8x20 mm AA machine guns
King George V 745 ft. 103 ft. 35 ft. 42, 200 tons 8x three drum small tube boilers with super heaters, 4x single reduction geared turbines, 4x three bladed propellers 35 mph 10, 000 km 10x14 in guns, 16x6 in guns, 64x40mm pom poms
Winner Bismarck Bismarck Tie Bismarck tie tie Bismarck Bismarck

 

Time to know which warship is better.

  Guns Armor Anti-ship guns AA guns
Bismarck Win Win Win Lose
King George V Lose Lose Lose Win

 

And there we have it, guys. Bismarck is better than King George V. But take note that this comparison and result is based on what I know. What is more important to me is your feedback. So which warship do you think is better?

 

 

 

 

Comparing numbers in a "sandbox" is not indicative.

Also, you show no armour layout or thickness statistics and yet determine that Bismarcks armour is superior? Note than competent discussion on effective armour layouts of Battleships is beyond most in this forum. The differences in their armour layout is not significant enough to suggest that Bismarck was superior in this regard. Naval historians don't say this and nor should we.

 

Not this topic about who has better navy what on this and that. Honestly....

 

 

Yeah, been there done this on many forums over many many years.

 

Consider the KGV has smaller guns (360 compared to 381), she would fire faster. And one more thing, KGV has 10 of them while the Chancellor of Germany only has 8. KGV would likely to have better HP compared to Bissy. But any way, KGV and Bismarck will be at the same tier - tier VIII obviously. So WG will try to balance both of them. But in real life... These numbers above don't say anything. God decides who will win and we all know that KGV, along with Nelson-class, HMS Rodney sunk the Bismarck on May 1941.

First off, smaller guns do not always correlate to a faster firing cycle in the real world. Here's  hoping that WG don't use that incorrect simple rule and at least look at the factual firing times of the ships in real life. Of course, whether WG will factor in the gunnery issues experienced by the KGV class, is another thing.

Bismarcks guns [15"] had a faster firing cycle than KGV's guns [14"] (assuming working perfectly).

 

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