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Is it just me or I felt Yorck seems so underpower.

A couple of days ago, after getting her from my stockpile of free exp, I've earn myself T7 German CA just to be greet with something rather underwhelming. TBH, German CA line seems pretty weak up to T7.

 

How do I begin this, well first of all let's look at the ship raw stats.

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Main Battery: 210 mm L/45 Drl C/06 4x2 

 

5 rounds/min

46.8 sec Turret turn time 180 degree

142m Maximum dispersion (stock)

15.7 km Max Range (stock) 17.3km with upgrade

 

HE: Spr.gr. L/4.3 Bdz.

Max damage 2900

Fire chance 12%

 

AP: AP Psgr. L/3.1

Max damage 5500

 

Secondary: Duel 88mm L/76

Torps: German standard 533mm Drilling six per side

 

HE: Spr.gr

Max damage 1100

Fire chance:  7%

Range: 4.5km (w/o skill)

 

Armor: 16-80

HP: 27 200 (stock) 32 600 (upgraded)

Max Speed: 32.3 knots

Turn Radius: 650m

Rudder shift: 11.3 sec (stock) about 8 sec (upgrade)

 

Overall AA rating: 30 at (stock, w/o commander) 36 (upgrade, w/o commander)

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AP is a must use for this ship, even firing at DDs because how unreliable HE is. The gun velocity isn't that great for long range firing and you guys know how AP rounds are, it'll either penned or bounce which will most of the time at range 13+ km if you manage to hit the first place. The higest damage I've done with Yorck is about 45k maximum (I got about 17k damage per battle with this.), going in close and aim for citadel from under 10km and use those Torps. But the turret rotation speed and rudder shifting (at least stock level) prevent close range brawling, which also prevent maximizing the use of close range torps. The amour is decent and will bounce to some degree with the help angling but if you are spammed HE at then watch that HP drops to the floor. Not to mention facing the same Tier CA, Myoko, Pensacola or Atlanta. You'll have problem even with 2 tier lower than you. So what is left with this? Unable to deal damage using HE makes fighting DDs (incapacitaion) risky (also the rudder shift makes dodging torp quite problematic.) and don't mention trying to take on BB (AP will bounce at max range and low fire chance) What about AA? '30 & 36' rating for AA is better than nothing but not quite enough for it tier. Escorting BB with same/higher tier CV as the enemy is uneffective. I used "Equal Speed Charlie London" for 21 matches just for my hull. From what I see now, Yorck is rather underwhelming, do think carefully before going down German CA line at it current state. From what I grasp is that you suppose to snipe with this ship, but the question is at what, other CA will dodge and BB will just take the shot. I tried to stayed back and snipe but no sucess and didn't effect the flow of battle that much.

This is my opinion on the ship herself, do share and argue with me if you disagree.

 

PS. She's such a beautiful ship.

 

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Tier 9-10 are meant to be worse for their tiers, lol, although I believe WG has said they'll buff them.

 

Where did you find out about this?

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meanwhile, last 5k exp to yorck, i got 4 more detonations as remembrance from my dear nurnberg. unbelievable that from 14 of my total detonations 10 came from my konisberg and nurnberg.

 

Did you use the flags? =P

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Did you use the flags? =P

 

I ran out of detonation flags at my last 10 games . at least my nurnberg re-stocked my storage.

 

 

Finally had 1 game on this Yorck and my merciful god, what the hell were you drinking/taking when you decide to make this ship WG. If people think karshurle is a terrible ship, then IDK what I'll call this.

 

My god, I knew the turret traverse was awful but until I finally experienced it myself I never knew how punishing it is. It made sniping duels with cruisers and battleships an automatic lose for you. In combination with its awful rudder shift, it feels like my Amagi.

 

The ammo ballistics doesn't justify its slow turret traverse and low RoF. You still snipe like a nurnberg/konisberg but now with 11 second reload which is absolutely devasting when you miss, and you'll do due to how high the arc of this ship's ammo is, or rather, how deep the ammo dips at the end of its trajectory.

 

Truly a masochist's ship, it is so painful to play at stock gun fire control (15.7 km range). Everybody just points their gun at you (because you are  a new ship) when you go in to fire.

 

Damn, I hope I'll learn the gameplay WG envisioned when they made this ship.

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I ran out of detonation flags at my last 10 games . at least my nurnberg re-stocked my storage.

 

 

Finally had 1 game on this Yorck and my merciful god, what the hell were you drinking/taking when you decide to make this ship WG. If people think karshurle is a terrible ship, then IDK what I'll call this.

 

My god, I knew the turret traverse was awful but until I finally experienced it myself I never knew how punishing it is. It made sniping duels with cruisers and battleships an automatic lose for you. In combination with its awful rudder shift, it feels like my Amagi.

 

The ammo ballistics doesn't justify its slow turret traverse and low RoF. You still snipe like a nurnberg/konisberg but now with 11 second reload which is absolutely devasting when you miss, and you'll do due to how high the arc of this ship's ammo is, or rather, how deep the ammo dips at the end of its trajectory.

 

Truly a masochist's ship, it is so painful to play at stock gun fire control (15.7 km range). Everybody just points their gun at you (because you are  a new ship) when you go in to fire.

 

Damn, I hope I'll learn the gameplay WG envisioned when they made this ship.

 

It's painful to grind this ship or even make it pass stock. I hope Hipper will be worth of this torture. Although, I'm better at turning in an Amagi than a Yorck :P

 

Because of the ammo ballastic and velocity I found that using her at short range put her gun caliber to more good use than sniping.

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Because of the ammo ballastic and velocity I found that using her at short range put her gun caliber to more good use than sniping.

 

I actually did that my second game and ship gave me good numbers like 4k/HE salvo on battleships. I'm starting to have a good look on how this ship should be played. Should learn more once I reached 20 games.

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I ran out of detonation flags at my last 10 games . at least my nurnberg re-stocked my storage.

 

 

Finally had 1 game on this Yorck and my merciful god, what the hell were you drinking/taking when you decide to make this ship WG. If people think karshurle is a terrible ship, then IDK what I'll call this.

 

My god, I knew the turret traverse was awful but until I finally experienced it myself I never knew how punishing it is. It made sniping duels with cruisers and battleships an automatic lose for you. In combination with its awful rudder shift, it feels like my Amagi.

 

The ammo ballistics doesn't justify its slow turret traverse and low RoF. You still snipe like a nurnberg/konisberg but now with 11 second reload which is absolutely devasting when you miss, and you'll do due to how high the arc of this ship's ammo is, or rather, how deep the ammo dips at the end of its trajectory.

 

Truly a masochist's ship, it is so painful to play at stock gun fire control (15.7 km range). Everybody just points their gun at you (because you are  a new ship) when you go in to fire.

 

Damn, I hope I'll learn the gameplay WG envisioned when they made this ship.

 

I told you already. It's the lowest of the low of the line.

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I actually did that my second game and ship gave me good numbers like 4k/HE salvo on battleships. I'm starting to have a good look on how this ship should be played. Should learn more once I reached 20 games.

 

Her AP is rather great at close and will sometime give some nice damage on BB, I once got 8-9k on a flat amagi side before he 'citadel' me. I'll try her again once I stock some more coins for her second hull.

 

Edit: Maybe I would skipped range upgrade, and just go stright to Hipper. The way I use her I think 15 ish km. is enough.

Edited by HeidimarieW

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Where did you find out about this?

 

Some translated Q&A from Russia.

 

Unlike our "Devs' Q&A" the Russian one in fact includes devs...who answer/discuss things.

 

Sounds incredible, I know.

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Some translated Q&A from Russia.

 

Unlike our "Devs' Q&A" the Russian one in fact includes devs...who answer/discuss things.

 

Sounds incredible, I know.

 

Can you link me the source/translation? I wouldn't mind having a read.
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had a complete change of heart with this ship and i say this is the best tier 7 cruiser i played (i own atlanta, we all know pensacola sucks and i've used myoko in CBT). right now i can churn up 60~k damage / game.

 

I had hard time at first because i tried to play it like its predecessor, then played it like how I would a myoko but failed.

I can;t describe how I play this ship (if i only know how to turn on replay). Yorkc's the very definition of a heavy cruiser gamepaly(for me). Her shots are painful, both AP and HE, at mid-close range. Her armor is also a big improvement over nurnberg, and i'm no longer getting detonations and too much incapacitations. Avoid getting to much attention, stay behind the shadows of your teammates or use islands to your advantage, although you'll have no problem fighting 1v1 against other cruisers(i was able to defeat an ibuki) but avoid it if you can, and avoid hunting down destroyers, yorck is a battleship hunter and not a DD hunter.

 

probably going to be the best german ship for me and the only non-premium and non-tier 10 ship im not going to sell.

 

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Can you link me the source/translation? I wouldn't mind having a read.

 

If I knew where I saw it, I would. Sorry, can't for the life of me remember where it was. Probably someone linked it to a thread somewhere in this forum, as it's not as though I go anywhere else on the net looking for WG stuff.

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If I knew where I saw it, I would. Sorry, can't for the life of me remember where it was. Probably someone linked it to a thread somewhere in this forum, as it's not as though I go anywhere else on the net looking for WG stuff.

 

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Ninja-ed. Because, reasons.

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Cheers for that.

 

It doesn't specifically say that the tier IX and X were made deliberately worse, just that they were getting a buff. 

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Cheers for that.

 

It doesn't specifically say that the tier IX and X were made deliberately worse, just that they were getting a buff. 

 

Comparison of stats before and after release from reddit site for the Roon/Hindenburg

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/?count=225&after=t3_3pcunl

 

http://m.imgur.com/a/9hXmn

 

 

 

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Cheers for that.

 

It doesn't specifically say that the tier IX and X were made deliberately worse, just that they were getting a buff. 

 

When I said "meant to be worse" the context should have made it clear I was saying "if you think Yorck is bad, the tiers 9-10 are allegedly worse for their tiers which is why they're getting buffed".

 

I'll be careful to be even more explicit as not everyone is going to be up on idiomatic/context-sensitive use of English I suppose.

 

Cheers

Edited by Steeltrap

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